@ican711nm,
The US haters here are beyond all reason they just like to hate.
@Foofie,
Quote:Try not to argue with me, since I am not changing my mind
That's a good one. I find a book which I think you would benefit by, written by an American with a non-aligned viewpoint, and you come out with that.
Which apart from being a tortuous non-sequitur, is just about the equivalent of the childish "La! La! La!" while stopping up your ears.
I just thought you might like to inform yourself about a subject you are fond of writing about. All for less than fifteen dollars- a bargain.
@McTag,
Foofie has built a cement wall around herself like they do in Israel - barbed wires and all!
@McTag,
McTag wrote:
Quote:Try not to argue with me, since I am not changing my mind
That's a good one. I find a book which I think you would benefit by, written by an American with a non-aligned viewpoint, and you come out with that.
Which apart from being a tortuous non-sequitur, is just about the equivalent of the childish "La! La! La!" while stopping up your ears.
I just thought you might like to inform yourself about a subject you are fond of writing about. All for less than fifteen dollars- a bargain.
I do not like to take school reading assignments from those that are not be in the world I inhabit. Also, I would not want to pander to anyone's ego, God forbid. Let you think I am taking a reading assignment from you. Be realistic.
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
Foofie has built a cement wall around herself like they do in Israel - barbed wires and all!
No. Foofie does not bite the hand (aka, U.S.A.) that has fed Foofie's family since the late 19th century. It is called gratitude. Foofie's family would likely not be alive if it remained in eastern Europe, Europe all being such philo-Semites in the first half of the 20th century (and continuing today - cannot shake that anti-Semitism; sort of like a bad cold).
@Foofie,
And you are so out of date and bigoted, you can't see that the world has changed - even here in the good ole US of A where anti-Semitism used to be rampant, and was still prevalent during WWII.
@Foofie,
Quote:No. Foofie does not bite the hand (aka, U.S.A.) that has fed Foofie's family since the late 19th century. It is called gratitude. Foofie's family would likely not be alive if it remained in eastern Europe, Europe all being such philo-Semites in the first half of the 20th century (and continuing today - cannot shake that anti-Semitism; sort of like a bad cold).
You rant about Europe being such a bad place for Jews but you're more than willing to offer unflagging support to a country that has butchered and tortured millions of people the world over.
What of those innocents?
Why would you brag about being a major hypocrite, Foofie.
Quote:
Smedley Darlington Butler (July 30, 1881 " June 21, 1940), nicknamed "The Fighting Quaker" and "Old Gimlet Eye", was a Major General in the U.S. Marine Corps and, at the time of his death, the most decorated Marine in U.S. history.
"I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914.
I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents."[26]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler
@Foofie,
Quote:I do not like to take school reading assignments from those that are not be in the world I inhabit. Also, I would not want to pander to anyone's ego, God forbid. Let you think I am taking a reading assignment from you. Be realistic.
There are thousands of links on this thread which posters supply for others to read. Is there a real difference?
I can't send you the book, since the one I read was a library copy. But you wouldn't read it anyway, because as you have said, your mind is closed.
Awkward things, facts, they can be upsetting.
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
And you are so out of date and bigoted, you can't see that the world has changed - even here in the good ole US of A where anti-Semitism used to be rampant, and was still prevalent during WWII.
With all due respect to your observations, you may not be aware of how anti-Semitism is still part of the popular culture, even though it is more covert today.
Between our physical distance, there is a 3,000 mile expanse of folks that do not all subscribe to all the current social mores of urban America.
@McTag,
There's a funny dynamics that happens to people like Advocate, Foofie, Foxie, ican, and okie that defies logic and common sense. No matter how much facts and sources are provided to prove a point, they seem to either misinterpret them or their eyes glaze over, and they are prohibited from reading it. I know for a fact Foofie refuses to read material that she thinks refutes her ideas of the world. She'll go to her grave as an ignorant fool!
@Foofie,
No ****! You can include in that scenario blacks, Hispanics, women, Arabs, and many others depending on which bigots you're talking about.
@JTT,
JTT wrote:
Quote:No. Foofie does not bite the hand (aka, U.S.A.) that has fed Foofie's family since the late 19th century. It is called gratitude. Foofie's family would likely not be alive if it remained in eastern Europe, Europe all being such philo-Semites in the first half of the 20th century (and continuing today - cannot shake that anti-Semitism; sort of like a bad cold).
You rant about Europe being such a bad place for Jews but you're more than willing to offer unflagging support to a country that has butchered and tortured millions of people the world over.
What of those innocents?
Why would you brag about being a major hypocrite, Foofie.
I do not believe one can call me a hypocrite, since that presupposes your indictment against America has been in my consciousness. It need not. I can spend my life reading Mark Twain novels, and nothing is wrong with that.
Please do not foist your concerns on me. My concerns need not overlap your concerns. Our respective concerns are not overlapping Venn diagrams from high school math, nor need they be, just because you have certain concerns uppermost in your mind. I do not proselytize to you; you should not stand in judgement of my beliefs, since I have not been germane to any of the bad things you are concerned about. Get it? Please do not mind my business, since I do not mind your business. That too is America.
@McTag,
McTag wrote:
Quote:I do not like to take school reading assignments from those that are not be in the world I inhabit. Also, I would not want to pander to anyone's ego, God forbid. Let you think I am taking a reading assignment from you. Be realistic.
There are thousands of links on this thread which posters supply for others to read. Is there a real difference?
I can't send you the book, since the one I read was a library copy. But you wouldn't read it anyway, because as you have said, your mind is closed.
Awkward things, facts, they can be upsetting.
I do not dispute "facts." You might be assuming there is an "objective" viewpoint that one would subscribe to, once one had the "facts." I shall not be so naive, since a book can leave out other "facts" that reflect my viewpoint.
And, I have a full plate of books that I am reading. Subjects of no conern to you. We only have 24/7 in a week. Do not be so presumptuous to think you can intrude on my time beyond my posting on A2K.
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
There's a funny dynamics that happens to people like Advocate, Foofie, Foxie, ican, and okie that defies logic and common sense. No matter how much facts and sources are provided to prove a point, they seem to either misinterpret them or their eyes glaze over, and they are prohibited from reading it. I know for a fact Foofie refuses to read material that she thinks refutes her ideas of the world. She'll go to her grave as an ignorant fool!
Ad-hominem comments like the above is one way to make sure it is really you posting.
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
No ****! You can include in that scenario blacks, Hispanics, women, Arabs, and many others depending on which bigots you're talking about.
You are trivalizing my post you refer to, with non-sequitorial thoughts.
Interesting piece! I have strong doubts that Shalit is alive. I wager he was murdered a long time ago.
Hamas prisoners in Israel pawns or have rights?
August 19, 8:57 AMNY Israel Conflict ExaminerRichard Shulman
Hamas prisoners in Israel, are they to be pawns or have they rights? Attention is drawn to them and to their privileges, as Hamas denies elementary rights to its Israeli captive. Here are the contrasts in treatment.
International law requires captors to allow prisoners visits from their lawyers and from the Red Cross. Hamas denies its captive those rights; Israel accords its convicts those rights.
Jewish inmates complain that “Hamas prisoners get special treatment, such as more meat in their meals, unlimited vegetables, the right to cook their own food
and exemptions from wearing uniforms.”
Some Members of Knesset propose a bill stripping Hamas of those privileges and those rights, until Hamas either releases its Israeli captive or accords him those rights and privileges. They argue that only by such harsh means, would Hamas relent.
Others oppose the bill, arguing that Israel should not stoop to Hamas’ level. If it did, it would alienate more public opinion. They would focus on getting the Israeli out alive. Prime Minister Netanyahu opposes legislative action while a commission is studying the issue (http://www.imra.org.il/ Independent Media Review Analysis, 7/17 from Jerusalem Post).
I think the article should have made international law on this clearer and should have specified prisoner conditions in more detail. I understand that International law governs prisoners of war, a status accorded to soldiers who follow the international rules of war. Hamas doesn’t. Its terrorists are more like pirates. Pirates have few rights.
Israel treated prisoners captured from regular armies as POWs, but terrorists as criminals subject to prison terms. The Palestinian Authority wants its men released now or at least if a final status agreement were signed, as of its men were POWs rather than criminals.
In recent years, Israel’s terrorist convicts have been able to gain high school and college diplomas. Some don’t want to be released until they achieve that. They have had so many visits, that they are able to organize terrorism from within prison. They also have enough contact with each other to keep up their training. That isn’t the way to run a maximum security prison.
One suspects that, like other Israeli prisoners of Arab gunmen, Mr. Shalit is mistreated. Arab states have murdered their prisoners, without suffering the obloquy that Israel does for being civilized. The notion of having to deal with Arabs in ways that they understand is something that works but Israel has failed to educate the world about. Israel is too concerned about maintaining a clean image, while the world smears its image.
--examiner.com
@cicerone imposter,
You provide next to nothing in the way of facts. You mostly provide one-sided, very biased, rhetoric. The way I see it, you automatic filter out any facts that are contrary to your preconceived views.
@Advocate,
Please show me where and how I have not provide facts from any of my posts. They may be one-sided, but that only reenforces the fact that there are many sources "out there" that are consistent with the facts. I wouldn't believe it either, if there was only one source for information.
Also, please show me where I "filter out any facts that are contrary to my preconceived views?"
Since you made the charge, I'm sure you can provide the "evidence" from any of my posts.
@cicerone imposter,
Advocate, You've been relegated to making a whole lot of accusations about me, but when I ask for evidence, why is it not forthcoming? I'm waiting.
@Foofie,
Quote:I do not dispute "facts." You might be assuming there is an "objective" viewpoint that one would subscribe to, once one had the "facts."
Fair comment. This book is a collection of the diary (interviews, visits) of an American journalist living for a few months among the arabs of Palestine. (Or of the disputed territories, doesn't matter what you call it). It offers a counterpoint to the usual information* served up about Israel, and tells the story of the ordinary people.
* the arabs are mad, they blow themselves and us up
the arabs are evil, they fire rockets into Israel
the arabs won't accept the status quo, and they break agreements
the arabs won't understand that they must stop resenting being refugees, and be nice about it
