ISRAEL - IRAN - SYRIA - HAMAS - HEZBOLLAH - WWWIII?

@BillRM,

Read his post again, you misunderstood it in your rush.

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@BillRM,

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as a great power in the world go we are at or very near the top in being on the side of the angels.

For that to be a meaningful statement, it would have to be recognised as true by most other countries outside the borders of the USA, and I very much doubt that it is.

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@McTag,

Oh McTag the truth is now open to a vote? How silly are you my silly friend!

Ok name one repeat one world power that used it power in a "better" or more to your liking at least way then the US in recorded history.

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Your question is a bit too constrained: "name one world power using its power...".

As far as being widely recognised as the shining city on a hill....

If I were to tell you I was the most handsome and intelligent man in the northern hemisphere, you would probably not accept my opinion until it was corroborated. Or maybe you would.

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@rabel22,

You sound like a child. The remark by JTT re Hitler was a sardonic one. I don't think anyone was worse than Hitler. He even killed 6 million of his own people, and untold millions of others.

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@McTag,

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Why would I order a book that may treat the Palestineans as a national entity waiting for its vote in the UN? The entire premise of Palestineans having good or bad conditions might be beside the point if one believes that territory should be part of Israel.

I don't understand what you are trying to say here. Your opinion of the treatment of the Palestinians is dependent upon what? Their appellant status? The veracity or otherwise of their claims? The colour of their socks? Or what?
Why should any such conditions apply?

Palestineans might just be Arabs that only post WWI developed a national identity, similar to the other countries in the Middle East that were under the Ottoman Turkish Empire. So, some may not be ready to acquiesce to their aspirations, considering they were amenable to the Arab armies in 1948 conquering Israel, at its inception, by virtue of their leaving Israel to facilitate an easier victory by the non-victorious Arab armies. Like when Germany lost WWII, they lost some lands that had been inhabitated by ethnic Germans.

Try not to argue with me, since I am not changing my mind, and you might not be changing your mind. I do not even care what motivates your position.

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@BillRM,

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So it is your position that such people would had been better off being let to the rule of the Spanish or Japanese Empires?

You keep dancing around the issue. It is clear that the US committed war crimes, many times and many places. There's no use arguing whether John Gotti or Sammy the Bull Gravano was more evil. They were both evil.

There's no use trying to pass of America's war crimes by pointing to others, some worse some better. Each of America's war crimes stand on their own and they have to be dealt with on their own.

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@JTT,

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Would you stop with this nonsense? Hitler likely was a kind and gentle man for most of his life. He was undone by five years of evil. So too the US. But the US has had a century of evil.

This is totally erroneous, since he authored a book much earlier to describe his beliefs.

It is very "kind and gentle" of you to treat the source of the Jewish Final Solution with such understanding. You should not reply to me, since you obviously cannot empathize with Jewish sensitivities, based on your incorrect analogy using Hitler.

For all your conerns about humanity, do you have a blind spot when it comes to Jews?

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@McTag,

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On the contrary, JTT argues a very good case, and you haven't been able to refute it.

He lost his credence with his claim about Hitler's basically nice persona, not including five years.

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@Foofie,

Foofie, It's obvious you don't understand the human psyche; many people who have lived pristine lives before they committed crimes have turned around and killed/raped/robbed innocent people.

Those are the facts.

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@rabel22,

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Hitler a kind and gentle man.

Was Hitler a monster his entire life? Did he start out torturing cats? Was he a serial killer from early childhood?

This isn't about the crimes of others. This is about the crimes of the USA. You keep repeating the propaganda you were fed from a series of Audie Murphy/John Wayne movies.

And you keep ignoring the facts. Dropping the bombs had nothing to do with ending the war and saving lives. It was all about saving face for America, about scaring Russia off, about a racist Truman, a racist America.

The USA is responsible for the deaths of millions of people, many of these the result of war crimes. The USA played with and still plays with people's lives just to enrich the big US corporations.

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@Foofie,

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Try not to argue with me, since I am not changing my mind, and you might not be changing your mind. I do not even care what motivates your position.

Foofie is content to wallow in his/her ignorance.

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@JTT,

To peggy-back on JTTs post, we have many white collar thieves who have probably lived good lives until they committed their crimes, and ruined many people's lives by their crime. The list includes the following:
" Jack Abramoff
" Andrew Fastow
" Randy "Duke" Cunningham
" Richard Scrushy
" Joseph Nacchio
" John and Timothy Rigas
" Jeffrey Skilling
" Bernard Ebbers
" Bernard Madoff

Do you still believe they weren't good people most of their lives? Most of these crimes occurred because they recognized the opportunity when they did the crime - usually later in life. It was mostly motivated by greed.

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@McTag,

It a simple question in all of history name one world power or one world empire that was more 'moral" or acted better by not my light but your then the US had.

If The US is "evil/bad" power in the world name me some Empire or power who we should model out actions to.

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@Foofie,

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For all your conerns about humanity, do you have a blind spot when it comes to Jews?

Not in the least, Foofie and this silly tangent of yours is despicable. Some of my oldest and dearest friends are Jews. But Jews, like any other people can do evil things and they must be held accountable. That's not a blind spot, that a reality that you cannot see.

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@JTT,

War Crimes under what set of laws and under what court had rule that we had done so.

You have your own private court in your house?

Sorry if someone would claim that a person had clearly broken the law then my question where was we he charge and was he found guilty of the charges.

Sorry the idea of war crimes are silly on it face as we do not have an international government and even with the silliness we do have the US had not been charge let alone found guilty of anything.

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@BillRM,

Bill, You can't be that dumb! You should know that the US has committed war crimes and got away with it, because nobody except some human rights organizations have challenged us, and they are legally helpless. Even our allies are cowards when it comes to charging the US with war crimes.

Just by typing "US war crimes" in Google, we get over 14 million hits with many involving the US - especially in Vietnam, Iraq and the torture by the US.

http://www.google.com/search?q=US+war+crimes&sourceid=navclient-ff&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1B3GGGL_enUS310US311

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@BillRM,

Bill, you really are that dumb and even dumber than that.

There's no need or use comparing one country's war crimes against another country's war crimes. The war crimes committed by the USA stand on their own.

You'd not for a second suggest that a murderer who committed one murder be let off because you could point to some others who had committed two, three or more.

Try, now I know this is going to be extremely difficult for you, but try to apply some logic to your thoughts.

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Would the World's population be better or worse off if the USA ceased existing in 1939? Why do you think so?

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@JTT,

One more time real slow here please name the court and the rulings that we had committed a war crime in our history.

If you can not do so then why are you playing games if you do not care for our behaviors that fine however it on it face is not war crimes unless some international body had given you the power to declared war crimes all by yourself.

I know you are a hater who hate so greatly you would defend Hitler of all people.

You should seek treatment.

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