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ISRAEL - IRAN - SYRIA - HAMAS - HEZBOLLAH - WWWIII?

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 18 Aug, 2009 01:16 pm
@JTT,
Second note if we had not taken over the Philippine other countries would had more likely Japan and they would had been far worst off to say the least,

You did not what to be a subject people of the Japan Empire!
Advocate
 
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Reply Tue 18 Aug, 2009 01:24 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I guess you have a short memory span. A number of times you said that Israel killed more Pal CIVILIANS than the reverse. This is false, and you cannot prove your statement.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 18 Aug, 2009 01:24 pm
@BillRM,
Bill, You are continuing with your ignorance; many Filipinos now work for Japanese companies in the Philippines. Many go to Japan to seek work.
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JTT
 
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Reply Tue 18 Aug, 2009 02:39 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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I'm not excusing or denying that Americans are also guilty of atrocities, but when discussing WWII, we all know it was a different time and place in our world when most of us viewed it quite differently from today's world.


Really, it wasn't a different time, CI. It was a time when the US trumpeted its "we are grand, we are for the underdog, we are for freedom and human dignity", knowing full well that it was all a lie.

The US was the leader in establishing what were war crimes and crimes against humanity and prosecuting individuals for those actions all the while doing the same or worse themselves.

And again, it is no defense to point to others who might be worse.

There's no denying that the US stands as a terrorist nation, a nation that has committed numerous war crimes in its history, a nation that has hid its evil behind a curtain of lies so breath taking it's hard to imagine that anyone ever fell for it.

A shining example that propaganda works even when the citizenry has a chance to speak its mind.
JTT
 
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Reply Tue 18 Aug, 2009 02:49 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
Second note if we had not taken over the Philippine other countries would had more likely Japan and they would had been far worst off to say the least.


Tell that to the people that were butchered by American soldiers. Tell that to the people who were lied to when all they wanted was the same thing Americans say they fought for for themselves.

Tell that to the people who lived under American supported dictatorships for, what was it 70 years or so, before they tossed out both the dictator and the scum that supported him.

Tell that to the poor people who today live around what America left as a toxic waste dump. With friends like that who needs enemies.
McTag
 
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Reply Tue 18 Aug, 2009 03:24 pm
@Foofie,
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Why would I order a book that may treat the Palestineans as a national entity waiting for its vote in the UN? The entire premise of Palestineans having good or bad conditions might be beside the point if one believes that territory should be part of Israel.


I don't understand what you are trying to say here. Your opinion of the treatment of the Palestinians is dependent upon what? Their appellant status? The veracity or otherwise of their claims? The colour of their socks? Or what?
Why should any such conditions apply?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 18 Aug, 2009 03:30 pm
@JTT,
Here's an interesting polls of Americans about the a-bomb during WWII. I'm not suggesting that polls should determine anything of this magnitude, and we don't, but it's interesting to note that older American approved while younger Americans disapprove. It seems to agree my assessment.

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Hiroshima, Nagasaki Atom Bombs Was Right Decision According To Majority Of Americans: Poll

NEW HAVEN, Conn. " A majority of Americans surveyed believe dropping atomic bombs on Japan during World War II was the right thing to do, but support was weaker among Democrats, women, younger voters and minority voters, according to a Quinnipiac University poll.

The poll, released Tuesday, found 61 percent of the more than 2,400 American voters questioned believe the U.S. did the right thing. Twenty-two percent called it wrong and 16 percent were undecided.

The first bomb was dropped Aug. 6, 1945, on Hiroshima. An estimated 140,000 people were killed instantly or died within a few months. Tens of thousands more died from radiation poisoning in the years following.

Three days later, another bomb was dropped on Nagasaki, killing about 80,000 people. Japan surrendered less than a week later.

"Sixty-four years after the dawn of the atomic age, one in five Americans think President Harry Truman made a mistake dropping the bomb," said Peter A. Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute.

The poll asked a single question: "Do you think the United States did the right thing or the wrong thing by dropping the atomic bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki?"

Among voters over 55 years of age, 73 percent of those surveyed approved the decision while 13 percent opposed. Sixty percent of voters 35 to 54 approved, while 50 percent approved among voters 18 to 34 years old, according to the poll.

"Voters who remember the horrors of World War II overwhelmingly support Truman's decision," Brown said. "Support drops with age, from the generation that grew up with the nuclear fear of the Cold War to the youngest voters, who know less about WW II or the Cold War."

Only 34 percent of black voters and 44 percent of Hispanic voters approved the decision, according to the poll. But Brown cautioned that the polling sample was smaller for those groups, so officials said the margin of error was 8 percentage points for blacks and 10 percentage points for Hispanics.

Support for Truman's decision was much stronger among Republicans than Democrats and among men than women.

Among Democrats surveyed, 49 percent approved, while 74 percent of Republicans supported Truman's decision.

Among women questioned, 51 percent supported the bombing, compared to 72 percent of men surveyed.

The poll showed about 70 percent of white Protestants, Catholics and evangelical Christians support the bombing, while 58 percent of Jews approved. The margin of error was 12 percentage points for Jewish voters, officials said.

Quinnipiac surveyed 2,409 registered voters from July 27 to Aug. 3. The poll has a margin of error of 2 percentage points.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 18 Aug, 2009 03:45 pm
In the past, NIPA (i.e., Non-Israeli Palestinian Arabs) have caused their own deaths in their effort to cause Israeli deaths. They may now realize that. Consequently they may now have realized they must first police themselves to stifle any further attempts by their residents to cause more Israeli deaths. If that is true, and it persists, the Israelis should respond by beginning the return of lands the UN recommended be given to the NIPAs.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 18 Aug, 2009 03:57 pm
@JTT,
There's no denying that the US stands as a terrorist nation, a nation that has committed numerous war crimes in its history, a nation that has hid its evil behind a curtain of lies so breath taking it's hard to imagine that anyone ever fell for it.
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NONSENSE in every way and in every manner.

We did not take a few million people into death camps, we did not mistreat our prisons of war as the Japanese delight in,we did not mistreat people in the foreign countries our armies control as did both the Japanese and as Germany did.

Yes you are an US hater but you do need not to go overboard or you make yourself look like a fool.

We was wrong in another of your posting for the taking the Spanish colonizes in the 1898 war however the people of those colonizes was a war with Spain at the time and the Spanish anti-guerrilla methods was very very harsh way beyond anything we did in suppressing the Philippians revolt afterward.

In short we are a great power and as great powers go are way nicer then most and never came near to the behaviors of either Japan or Germany or the former USSR.


cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 18 Aug, 2009 04:58 pm
@BillRM,
Bill, You lack historical perspective concerning the US crimes against sovereign nations since WWII. You need to study up more about the Vietnam war and our war in Iraq, plus all the shenanigans our CIA did to other country's governments.

Our country is far from being angelic.
Advocate
 
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Reply Tue 18 Aug, 2009 06:29 pm
@BillRM,
Bill, you are sounding like a dunce. We went into Nam based on lies and killed over three million people, mostly civilians. We did the same thing in Iraq, but with smaller numbers. We are among the worst war criminals.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Tue 18 Aug, 2009 06:37 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Agreed.
But, I would say that the US has been a greater force for good on the planet then a source for evil.
JTT
 
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Reply Tue 18 Aug, 2009 08:23 pm
@mysteryman,
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But, I would say that the US has been a greater force for good on the planet then a source for evil.


Would you stop with this nonsense? Hitler likely was a kind and gentle man for most of his life. He was undone by five years of evil. So too the US. But the US has had a century of evil.

You think personal responsibility is important, MM, demand that the war criminals do their time. There are lots of murderers from the Tiger Force walking around free.

There's a list of Tiger Force criminals at Wiki. Start a campaign to get the guilty ones charged. Write letters to the Pentagon telling them how ashamed you are to have served under people who covered up,

the routine torture and execution of prisoners[8]
the routine practice of intentionally killing unarmed Vietnamese villagers including men, women, children, and elderly people[9]
the routine practice of cutting off and collecting the ears of victims[10]
the practice of wearing necklaces composed of human ears[11]
the practice of cutting off and collecting the scalps of victims[12]
an incident where a young mother was drugged, raped, and then executed[13]
an incident where a soldier killed a baby and cut off his or her head after the baby's mother was killed[14]

Campaign to have the Reagan airport renamed Ronald Reagan War Criminal International Airport. Campaign to have the remaining war criminals in his administration taken to trial.

In short, be the responsible man you believe yourself to be.
rabel22
 
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Reply Tue 18 Aug, 2009 10:30 pm
@JTT,
Hitler a kind and gentle man. Are you some kind of an idiot? It might help if you read some history that is if you can look past your apparent bias toward anything U.S.. Also if you would read about the Japanise horrors in the Phillipines and China you might learn that the Imperial military of Japan were even worse than Hitler. They murdered more chinese and phillipine and korean civilians that Hitler ever dreamed of murdering in Europe. Before you shoot your mouth off read the history of the second world war and learn, that is if you are capable of learning. Was dropping the bomb a terrible thing, yes, but it saved millions of american solders and Japainse civilians. Read the history before you shoot of your mouth.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 18 Aug, 2009 10:42 pm
@rabel22,
rabel, I also see the extreme verbalization by JTT about our countries evils that seems, at least to me, that there are many good things about our country too, and he seems to miss that balance. As I've said often, history teaches us that most cultures and countries are guilty of some atrocities in their past. We are no different, and we have not learned from history.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 19 Aug, 2009 01:42 am
@JTT,
Would you stop with this nonsense? Hitler likely was a kind and gentle man for most of his life. He was undone by five years of evil. So too the US. But the US has had a century of evil.
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So you can all see what a nut this man is so let move on.

McTag
 
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Reply Wed 19 Aug, 2009 02:02 am
@BillRM,

On the contrary, JTT argues a very good case, and you haven't been able to refute it.

How many countries has the USA bombed since 1945? The number may surprise you.
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 19 Aug, 2009 03:20 am
@JTT,
Tell that to the people that were butchered by American soldiers. Tell that to the people who were lied to when all they wanted was the same thing Americans say they fought for for themselves.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 19 Aug, 2009 03:23 am
@JTT,
Tell that to the people that were butchered by American soldiers. Tell that to the people who were lied to when all they wanted was the same thing Americans say they fought for for themselves.
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So it is your position that such people would had been better off being let to the rule of the Spanish or Japanese Empires?
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 19 Aug, 2009 03:28 am
@McTag,
Refute blind hate that stand without reason?

No we are not always on the side of good and the light but as a great power in the world go we are at or very near the top in being on the side of the angles.

The man have so must hate in his heart toward the US that even Hitler was not all that bad!
 

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