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You may not feel "responsible for any other Japanese (domestic or foreign)"; however, the reality of our human society is that your Japanese heritage, and the history of WWII, resulted in Japanese-Americans having to deal with more prejudice than just prejudice towards Asians in general. Therefore, history does affect society. Your telling me to live in the present sounds silly, in my opinion, as though you are in a position to give sage advice. You may give advice to those that want it. But, your gratuitous advice is unwelcome. If I needed some advice on auditing procedures, I would ask you; otherwise, I think you are outside your field of expertise.

You don't have to give me a lesson in what Japanese Americans lived through before, during, and after WWII. I was there!

There is no such thing as "outside your expertise." We are all subjective humans who perceive our reality differently. I don't blame nor take responsibility for anybody else's sins or crimes. It doesn't matter whether they are red, yellow, brown, white, black, or any color variation.

I'm Japanese by ancestry, but American by birth and upbringing. My heart and my patriotism is here; it's given me some bad, but most of it has been very good. I know I'm one of the lucky ones, because our grandfather decided to come to this country to seek work, and one of his sons met our mother.

As a child growing up in Sacramento, my brother and I used to visit the state capitol to browse around to look at the many displays from the different counties of California, to visit the senate and assemby chambers, and just walk around the building, because it was cool inside while the outside temperature might be over 100 degrees. I would never have dreamt that one day my own brother would become a politician, and have an office in the building we used to visit as children. He served three terms in the Assembly for the 10th district of California, and he plans to run for state office next year.

From being very poor as children, to what my siblings have accomplished, and our children have accomplished, I'm proud to say I'm American.

There's a joke: do you know who the best Jewish mothers are?

I've heard many Jewish jokes too! One is about a mother introducing her child to her acquaintance; 'please meet my son, doctor Isaac.'

Post without proof!!

So therefore it is a meaningless untrue post.

That reality that you seem so fond of quoting, Foofie, only tells us what we already know; that there are a large number of ignorant people, you seem bent on including yourself in that group, who will use any silly excuse to hate and foment hate. Thinking people can see that sort of crap for what it is.

Duh, take a look -- my comment was addressed to to JTT.

You say you condemn all inhuman treatment. Somehow, this doesn't apply to the Muslims, especially the Pals.

Advocate, This is a public forum, and as such, anyone can respond. DUH~!

Of course it does.

But again, it is so hypocritical of you, [as an American] forever preaching about fighting for land, country and freedom to simply accept that people can have their land taken from them and be given to another group of people for such spurious reasons; because they have historically been poorly treated.

Cut out a quarter or half of the USA for the Native Americans and another quarter or so of the land base for the Blacks.

The Jews participating on this thread using the victim meme is so unseemly and irrational of most of the Jews I know, it makes me wonder why.

How they continue to justify taking away lands from another group illegally and without compensation, then giving it to their own group should be an obvious "sin" to any observer - including Jews.

First, there was no Pal land stolen by the Jews. The UN divided the British Mandate, giving most of the land to the Pals for a greater Palestine/Jordan. Israel formed a state, and many Pals (traitors to their new country) left to facilitate the invasion by the Pals and Arab countries.

As for the WB and Gaza, Israel was constantly attacked by the Arabs there and elsewhere. Following the '67 War, instigated by the Arabs, Israel took over the WB and Gaza, which was Israel's right. (The USA took over the SW USA after the war with Mexico.A number of countries took German land after WWII.) Jews have a right to settle in the WB just as Israeli Pals may live in and own land in Israel. Somehow, you believe Jews have no right to live in the WB. Why is that?

Jews have a right to live all over the world and, correct me if I'm wrong, Advocate, they are exercising that right in most every country in the world.




Oh, forgive me. It was the UN who gave away land that they didn't own to create the country known as Israel. The "British Mandate". Jesus H Christ! They were at least as large a group of thieves as the Americans are now.

Logic seems to escape some of these people; how can anybody give land away that doesn't belong to them? Isn't that against international and domestic laws?

None of you that are opposed tro what Israel has done have answered some very basic questions.

All of you say that Israel "stole" the land from Palestine, but none of you can show where a country called "Palestine" ever existed.

What was its capitol city?
What was its currency?
What other countries did it have diplomatic relations with?
What other countries recognized it?
What was its economy based on?
What were its major exports and imports?
What were its laws?

Until you can answer those questions (with solid proof) then you are simply pissing in the wind.
Palestine, as a country, NEVER EXISTED.
So, how do you steal what never existed?

using your definition, mysteryman, for the right of a country to exist ... ehem, we still would have colonies, or all belong to the Roman Empire, or the Habsburg countries or to ...

For anyone interested in informing themselves about current conditions in Palestine from a non-Israeli viewpoint, but not necessarily an anti-Israeli viewpoint, I could recommend the paperback book "Palestine" by Joe Sacco, and American I think.

It is a illustrated/ graphic book so even MM should have no trouble understanding it.

Published by Jonathan Cape, ISBN 9780224069823

Not at all.
I am saying that EVERY country in existence today has taken land and made it their own.
Some from other countries, some from colonial powers, and some took land that belonged to nobody.

Now, Israel WAS GIVEN land that belonged to nobody, and no other country laid claim to it.
So, how have they been stealing land that belonged to someone else if nobody owned it beforehand.

And any time you want to put your knowledge up against mine, feel free.

Have you even been to Israel or Palestine or the Middle East in General?
Somehow, I doubt it.

That was a polite and restrained reply to a very rude jibe of mine, which I am rather ashamed of.

But do try to get yourself a copy of that book, written by a man who lived for some months in Palestine, in various places.

Not only was there no country called Palestine in 1948, but there is still no such country.

Granted that the UN designated land to belong to the Pals, the latter never formed a country. Moreover, following hundreds or thousands of attacks by the Pals on Israel, Israel took the WB and Gaza as a prize of war.

The land given to Israel 'belonged' to .. the [former] League of Nations, administered by the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. (On November 29, 1947, the UN General Assembly voted to divide British-ruled Palestine into two states, one Jewish and the other Arab.)

In 1948, the country WAS called 'Palestine'. Therefor, we've got the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine, aka United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181 (II) Future Government of Palestine.

Before, the country was commonly known as British Mandate of Palestine a "League of Nations Mandate", formally approved in June 1922.

Interesting here: the facts about the Sykes-Picot Agreement.