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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 11 Aug, 2009 08:30 pm
@cicerone imposter,
From Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oeB3QhX2RI

Some more anti-Semites and Jew-haters.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 11 Aug, 2009 08:32 pm
@Foofie,
That's an example of what a real democracy is all about. Jews cannot come to the US and treat anybody else the way they treat Palestinians in Israel.

It is illegal, unethical, and inhuman.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 11 Aug, 2009 08:37 pm
Here's another web link called "Jews Against Zionism."
http://www.nkusa.org/<br />
Tell me what they're saying that I'm saying; I'm in good company.
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Foofie
 
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Reply Wed 12 Aug, 2009 07:26 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Hate? Where did that come from? I just tell facts that are mostly found on the internet through Google, and my observations that are reflected by not only Gentiles but also by Jews.

What you need to do is to refute what I post with reliable sources that can be confirmed. All you have done is resorted to ad hominems.

I've read Susan Nathan's account of her living in a Palestinian village in Israel, and she's also called names by other Jews.

Many like her who see the wrong-doings also refuse to serve in the IDF, and also do not approve of the settlements development on stolen lands. I'm sure they're all Jew-haters and anti-Semites.

Human rights organization also challenge what the Jews of Israel are doing, so I feel I'm on the "right" side of this issue. Call me all the names you want, because they don't hurt my feelings at all!



While you admit that the Japanese society in Japan has qualities that you do not subscribe to, if anyone was to criticize those Japanese society qualities, would you not want them to make specific reference to Japanese in Japan, and not Japanese that are American citizens? You do not seem to always be making that specific distinction in your posts, relating to Jews and Israelis, so a reader can conclude that ALL Jews share the traits that you criticize, relating specifically to Israel and its Jewish population.

You need to stop using the word "Jew," and start using a more nuanced term for Israelis that are Zionist. Jew includes me; I have no input into Israeli politics.

Would you please be forthcoming and tell the readers if anti-Semitism is a logical belief in your world-view, or you have been using the word Jew too loosely to refer to only some Zionists living in Israel (not all Israeli Zionists concur with all of Israel's policies). What Jews elsewhere believe are of no consequence, since one should not be criticized for being pro-Zionist when that individual cannot effect any policy in Israel as a non-Israeli citizen.

Hopefully, dear readers, CI will not ignore this post and give the readers a reply that will allow us to better understand his other postings.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 12 Aug, 2009 09:41 am
@Foofie,
By all means, say anything you wish about the Japanese - whether American or Japanese of Japan. FYI: This is free speech country.

Some of you have already "tried" to confuse the Japanese of Japan with Japanese Americans, and I've challenged most if not all of them.

As for the Jews of Israel, I've also said there are Jews in Israel who disagree with the settlements and stealing of Palestinian lands. I've given many examples throughout this thread. That should be clear from the onset unless you wish to confuse the two. That's not my problem.

What you "people" have resorted to are ad hominems and strawman retorts that shouldn't even be part of this "discussion."

However, even being called "anti-Semite" and "Jew-hater" is no skin off my nose, because I have provided many links that shows how many Jews also react negatively to how the Zionists of Israel treats its Palestinian citizens in a so-called "democracy."



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Advocate
 
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Reply Wed 12 Aug, 2009 10:45 am
@cicerone imposter,
One might describe you, an anti-Semitic ****, as a Hitler clone.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 12 Aug, 2009 11:37 am
@Advocate,
Advocate, Your ad hominems shows you are a narrow-minded, ill-informed, racial bigot, who refuses to see the sins of your own kind. As I've said, almost all cultures are guilty of many sins against humanity; that includes Japanese and Jews. You need to be able to delineate who the good guys and bad guys are by how they treat other humans. It seems you have difficulty with this very simple principle.

When you try to compare the Japanese of Japan and the Japanese of the US, most of us are 100% Americans, and do not have any patriotic feelings towards Japan. When we talk about Israel, many American Jews support the apartheid practice of the Zionist Jews of Israel. Most Japanese Americans do not support the discrimination of Japan, or their history of brutality against other country's peoples.

Too bad you are unable to see this difference.



Comprende?
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 12 Aug, 2009 12:22 pm
The UN in 1947--62 years ago--ecommended that Palestine be divided into a Jewish state and an Arab state. The Jews in Palestine accepted that recommendation and formed the Jewish state they named Israel.

Arab leadership violently opposed that recommendation. The Arabs in Palestine, but not in Israel, have paid a dear price for their leadership's violent opposition.

Maybe now the present Arab leadership will permanently abandon their violent opposition by incarcerating any and all violent Arabs. I bet that if they do, they will get back much of the land Israel previously stole from them in reaction to previous Arab violence.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 12 Aug, 2009 12:33 pm
@ican711nm,
Opposition in any democracy doesn't equate to unlawful treatment.

You're always ass-backwards on any issue. You haven't learned anything about "cause and effect."
Advocate
 
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Reply Wed 12 Aug, 2009 01:38 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Your hatred of Jews as individuals explains the BS you have been putting out in defense of the Pals. You are an anti-Semitic POS.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 12 Aug, 2009 01:42 pm
@Advocate,
The Pals could be any group that's mistreated by another. It just so happens this thread is concentrated on the subject about "Israel."

I also advocate for gays and lesbians, blacks and Hispanics, and women who should have the choice whether to carry their fetus to full term or not - with the consultation with their physician - without outside, uninterested, parties who wish to control their bodies.

Your statement "your hatred of Jews" has no reality or credibility. I have worked for several Jewish bosses during my career, and they have treated me with respect and promoted me to higher positions. They provided me with my first opportunity to work in a management position for a international company where I learned good management skills.

You know not what you are saying, because you are ignorant of the facts.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 12 Aug, 2009 04:04 pm
@Advocate,
Advcoate why bother with the "gentleman"?

Bombing and killing Jews is no big deal as even their women and children somehow deserve to be blown up however any steps in self defense that cost the freedom of movement or the lives of the population that cheerfully harbor and support the bombers and the rockets launchers is so unfair in his eyes.

There is no reasoning with such a person.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 12 Aug, 2009 04:13 pm
@BillRM,
Bill, You are out of your mind! Show me where I've even suggested such a thing? I have always said I do not condone killing no matter which side of this conflict.

YOu guys love to say things that's not in any of my posts. You can go to hell!
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Foofie
 
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Reply Wed 12 Aug, 2009 07:11 pm
At this point I would like to know how the American-Jews and Japanese-Americans get along in San Francisco. Is there a rivalry for political positions?

Two industrious groups might have some rivalry, possibly?

Do some of the Japanese-Americans, to any degree, have the dream that San Francisco should be their Nippon homeland in America?

Do San Francisco colleges/universities have a preponderance of Japanese-American, or other Asian, students? Do they act insular, or are they not alienated from the non-Asian student body?

Do the well educated San Francisco Asians treat the Hispanic population well, or are they exploited as cheap labor?

I ask these questions in the spirit of human frailty, perhaps to see if Japanese-Americans meet the high standards of CI for Jewish concern for one's fellow man.

cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 12 Aug, 2009 07:42 pm
@Foofie,
No. As a matter of fact, Jews have honored the Japanese Americans who released them from Dachau.

Here's one article on the liberation of the Jewish prisoners of Dachau. You decide:
Quote:
Solly Gaynor was one of the Jewish prisoners who was rescued on May 2nd from a march out of the main Dachau camp by a Japanese-American soldier. Gaynor is a Lithuanian Jew who was forced to work in a factory in the Kaunas ghetto from August 1941 to June 1944 when he was sent to Dachau to work in one of the sub-camps. In the last days of the war, the sub-camps were evacuated and the prisoners were marched to the main camp, from which some were sent on another march to the Bavarian Alps. Gaynor credits Japanese-American soldier Clarence Matsumura with saving his life.

The following quote is from the web site www.hirasaki.home.att.net:

Two liaison scouts from the 522d Field Artillery Bn, 100/442 RCT, were among the first Allied troops to release prisoners in the Dachau concentration camp. I watched as one of the scouts used his carbine to shoot off the chain that held the prison gates shut. He said he just had to open the gates when he saw a couple of the 50 or so prisoners, sprawled on the snow-covered ground, moving weakly. They weren't dead as he had first thought.

When the gates swung open, we got our first good look at the prisoners. Many of them were Jews. They were wearing black and white striped prison suits and round caps. A few had shredded blanket rags draped over their shoulders. It was cold and the snow was two feet deep in some places. There were no German guards. They had taken off before we reached the camp.

The above description of "the Dachau concentration camp" obviously refers to one of the many Dachau sub-camps, not the main camp.

The following quote is from an article written by Burt Takeuchi which was posted several years ago on the web site of the Nihonmachi Outreach Committee in San Jose, CA:

Liberation of Dachau by Japanese Americans
522nd Field Artillery Battalion 442nd RCT
April 29th 1945

The war in Europe was coming to a close as the Allies raced across Germany to Berlin. Elements of the US 7th Army chased the remnants of the German army retreating into Germany. Among the fastest moving units was the 522nd Field Artillery Battalion a Nisei (Second generation Japanese American) unit that was originally attached to the famed 442nd Regimental Combat Team. The 442nd won the most decorations for any American unit for its size during WW2. The unit would win 7 Presidential Citations (5 while rescuing the Lost Texas Battalion in France 1944), 20 Medals of Honor (America's highest decoration for valor) and over 9000 Purple Hearts (decorations for wounds suffered in combat). The 522 had a reputation for having the fastest and most accurate fire in the US Army. They were hand picked by Gen. Eisenhower (Commander of Allied Forces in Europe) to help lead the attack into Germany. The 522nd liberated several of the sub camps near Dachau and actually opened the main gate at the Dachau concentration camp. Some 5000 survivors of the Dachau concentration camp were liberated by elements of the 522 on April 29th 1945.

On April 29th 1945, Staff Sgt. George Oiye was member of a forward observer team (patrols to search for targets for artillery to shoot ) for artillery battery C leading the 7th Army racing into Germany. Elements of the 522nd Field Artillery Battalion were spread out over a 30 mile radius. They had orders to destroy military targets in Munich and to demolish the headquarters of the dreaded SS. They also had warnings to be on the look out for top Nazis such as Adolf Hitler and Eva Braun (Hitler's mistress). They chased the retreating German units, captured and disarmed them. According to 522 records they were the first Allied unit to reach Dachau.

Unintentional Liberators
"We weren't supposed to be there" said Oiye. Since they were spread out over such a wide area (30 KM) and Dachau was so big they simply ran into it. Japanese American soldiers shot the lock of the main gate of the outer perimeter fences. Then opened the barbed wire gates of the infamous crematorium the site were thousands of Jewish prisoners bodies were burned into ashes. The building had tall smoke stacks and large ovens with bodies smoldering still inside. Prisoners were often gassed or died of the harsh slave labor conditions at Dachau.

"A Hard Thing"
Oiye explained his reaction to visiting the infamous camp: He was mainly on the muddy roads out side the camp when it started to snow. "It was very cold and he saw the prisoners shivering. Some were in very bad shape,"emaciated, sick, diseased, bugs crawling on them and dying" He recalled the stripped suits they wore and some had no shoes. Oiye and his fellow soldiers gave the prisoners their extra gloves, bed rolls, and food. His reaction to the prisoners: "we were not prepared to deal with coming across a concentration camp." "We came across by accident and were not prepared. It was a hard thing" He remembered that he " felt bewildered, then angry and fearful. " Oiye explained the sense of guilt "that mankind had transgressed so far.... the worst case of sin I know of."

"War was one thing but that kind of treatment of mankind; that is not normal" Oiye stated. Some of the 522nd soldiers found ladies handbags made of human skin. He could remember seeing "intricate" tattoos on these handbags. Gloves and lampshades were also found to made of human skin. Other soldiers reported that dozens of prisoners that were horribly tortured and murdered.

Note that the article quoted above mentions that the Japanese-American liberators "opened the barbed wire gates of the infamous crematorium." The barbed wire gate, through which today's tourists enter into the crematorium area at Dachau, was not there when the camp was liberated. The crematorium was outside the prison compound and not surrounded by barbed wire. There were no bodies smoldering inside the ovens on the day the main camp was liberated because the Germans had run out of coal to burn the corpses as early as October 1944.

In an e-mail to me on July 5, 2007, the author of the above article, Burt Takeuchi, wrote the following correction:

The sighting of bodies smoldering was made by Oiye probably after the WW2 was over. He recalled seeing smoke rising from the smoke stack at the crematorium. I do not think it is an over site on his part.

After the liberation of Dachau, the American Army took over the camp and burned 800 bodies in the crematory ovens, including the bodies of the SS soldiers who were killed during the liberation.

If any ladies handbags made of human skin were ever found at Dachau, they were not put into evidence at the American Military Tribunal where the Dachau Commandant and 39 of his staff members were put on trial. There were 31,432 survivors of the main Dachau camp who were liberated on April 29, 1945, not 5,000 as claimed in this article by the Nihonmachi Outreach Committee in San Jose, CA. Most of the prisoners in the sub-camps had been marched to the main camp and only a few sick prisoners had been left in the sub-camps.

Burt Takeuchi, the author of the article about the 522nd, wrote the following correction in an e-mail to me on July 5, 2007:

The figure of 5000 survivors liberated is not the total of the Dachau camp population. It is the number of survivors that were estimated to be encountered by the 522nd in sub camps, near the Main Camp and along the roads traveling to Dachau. Yes, over 30000 survivors were liberated in the entire liberation by the Allies.

Does it really matter which unit is first to Dachau? I think its more important that they stopped and tried to help the survivors. The Allies are all in the same army and in the same cause.

The 442nd Regimental Combat Team, which was composed of second generation Japanese-Americans (Nisei), but commanded by Caucasian officers, was a volunteer unit that was created on February 1, 1943. One third of the soldiers in the 442nd were recruited from the 70,000 native-born Japanese-Americans, who had been interned on the American mainland, and the remainder were Japanese-American volunteers from Hawaii.

A Japanese veteran featured in Spielberg's film, "The Last Days," was Katsugo Miho who told the story of how the 522nd liberated one of the sub-camps of Dachau. According to the book based on "The Last Days," Miho told the following story:

Our reconnaissance squad shot open the locks to one of the sub-camps and allowed thousands of inmates to get out. Starving, looking like the walking dead, they began to roam the snow-covered countryside, just trying to find something to eat. The Germans had been using horses to cart their artillery and supplies, so there were a lot of dead horses lying along the roadsides. Against their better judgment, these inmates were stripping the horses and eating the flesh. Some of them died because they couldn't digest something like that.

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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 12 Aug, 2009 07:45 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Here's another article:
Quote:
Japanese Americans at Dachau: Intercultural Exchange in the US Tour of The Gate of Heaven
Emily Colborn


Abstract

The Gate of Heaven, which toured the United States for two years marking the 50th anniversary of the Dachau concentration camp liberation and commemorating the heroism of Japanese-American soldiers in World War II, imagines the friendship between a Japanese-American veteran and the Holocaust survivor he saves at the gates of Dachau in 1945. While the playwright-performers set out simply to celebrate their family histories " Lane Nishikawa is a third-generation Japanese American and Victor Talmadge lost many relatives in the Holocaust " the commemorative politics they encountered at each stop on the tour transformed the meaning of their play. A reconstruction of the social framework the play encountered at four venues, including the US Holocaust Memorial Museum and the Old Globe Theatre in southern California, demonstrates the malleable nature of race relations in America and the instability of Holocaust representation.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 12 Aug, 2009 07:49 pm
@cicerone imposter,
From oregonlive.com:
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Chiune Sugihara, the Japanese consul in Lithuania, who wrote transit visas to allow Polish Jews to escape the Nazis. And the story of Solly Ganor, an 11-year-old Lithuanian Jewish boy who survived Dachau and was rescued by the 442nd at the end of the war.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 12 Aug, 2009 07:52 pm
@cicerone imposter,
This will be the "final" one.
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Chiune Sugihara
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Chiune Sugihara
A photographic portrait of Chiune Sugihara.
Born 1 January 1900(1900-01-01)
Yaotsu, Japan
Died 31 July 1986 (aged 86)
Fujisawa, Kanagawa, Japan

Chiune Sugihara (杉原 千畝, Sugihara Chiune?, 1 January 1900 " 31 July 1986) was a Japanese diplomat, serving as Vice Consul for the Japanese Empire in Lithuania. Soon after the occupation of Lithuania by the Soviet Union, he helped several thousand Jews leave the country by issuing transit visas to Jewish refugees so that they could travel to Japan. Most of the Jews who escaped were refugees from Poland or residents of Lithuania. Sugihara wrote travel visas that facilitated the escape of more than 6000 Jewish refugees to Japanese territory risking his career and his family's life. Because of his actions in saving Jews from the Nazis, Sugihara was honored by Israel as Righteous Among the Nations.

cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 12 Aug, 2009 09:07 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Let me post this Wiki article here, because I believe this same James Okubo was my optometrist since I was a young child living in Sacramento, and fitted me for my first eyeglasses.

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James K. Okubo
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James K. Okubo
May 30, 1920(1920-05-30) " January 29, 1967 (aged 46)
Place of birth Bellingham Washington
Place of burial Woodlawn Cemetery, Detroit, Michigan
Allegiance United States of America
Service/branch United States Army
Rank Technician Fifth Grade
Unit 442nd Regimental Combat Team
Battles/wars World War II
Awards Medal of Honor
Silver Star

James K. Okubo (May 30, 1920 " January 29, 1967) was a United States Army soldier and a recipient of the United States military's highest decoration"the Medal of Honor"for his actions in World War II.

Okubo was interned with his family at the Heart Mountain War Relocation Center in Wyoming.[1]

On October 28, 1944, Okubo was a technician fifth grade serving as a combat medic in the 442nd Regimental Combat Team. During a battle on that day and the following day, in the Foret Domaniale de Champ near Biffontaine, France, he carried wounded soldiers to safety and treated over two dozen men despite intense enemy fire. One week later, on November 4, he again braved enemy fire to rescue a man from a burning tank. For his actions, Okubo was recommended for the Medal of Honor, but was instead given the Silver Star under the mistaken belief that medics were not eligible for higher awards.

Okubo left the Army while still a technician fifth grade. He died at age 46 and was buried in Woodlawn Cemetery, Detroit, Michigan.

A 1990s review of service records for Asian Americans who were decorated in World War II led to Okubo being awarded the Medal of Honor. In a ceremony at the White House on June 21, 2000, his surviving family was presented with his Medal of Honor by President Bill Clinton. Twenty-one other Asian Americans also received the medal during the ceremony, all but seven of them posthumously. He is interred at Woodlawn Cemetery.

[edit] Medal of Honor citation

Okubo's official Medal of Honor citation reads:

Technician Fifth Grade James K. Okubo distinguished himself by extraordinary heroism in action on 28 and 29 October and 4 November 1944, in the Foret Domaniale de Champ, near Biffontaine, eastern France. On 28 October, under strong enemy fire coming from behind mine fields and roadblocks, Technician Fifth Grade Okubo, a medic, crawled 150 yards to within 40 yards of the enemy lines. Two grenades were thrown at him while he left his last covered position to carry back wounded comrades. Under constant barrages of enemy small arms and machine gun fire, he treated 17 men on 28 October and 8 more men on 29 October. On 4 November, Technician Fifth Grade Okubo ran 75 yards under grazing machine gun fire and, while exposed to hostile fire directed at him, evacuated and treated a seriously wounded crewman from a burning tank, who otherwise would have died. Technician Fifth Grade James K. Okubo's extraordinary heroism and devotion to duty are in keeping with the highest traditions of military service and reflect great credit on him, his unit, and the United States Army.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Wed 12 Aug, 2009 09:32 pm
@BillRM,
He is such a ****, I wonder why I bother. He admits that Jews provided him a good living for many years. And yet he hates Jews. Interestingly, his darling Pals act like beasts in their incessant attacks on Israeli men, women, and children. Maybe they learned this from the similar Japanese activities during the war.
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