ISRAEL - IRAN - SYRIA - HAMAS - HEZBOLLAH - WWWIII?

Jtt wrote:

Re: genoves (Post 3680273)
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I have not forgotten how the savages in Iran held American citizens hostage.
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Those people were pikers compared to the government of the USA. They held American citizens in containment camps simply on the basis of racism.

In Iran, they supported a dictator who tortured and murdered his own citizens.

They supported Saddam against Iran, [duplicitous much] including the use of chemical weapons, which they constantly whine about; have I mentioned their duplicity?

The list is endless. For a long list of savagery, one only has to look at American foreign policy. I believe that you partook of some of this savagery yourself, G, in Vietnam. Care to recount some of your highlights.

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You are correct, the demented Democrat, FDR, held the Japanese Americans in camps soon after World War II began. It took a great Republican President to make amends--Note-

In 1988, Congress passed and President Ronald Reagan signed legislation which apologized for the internment on behalf of the U.S. government. The legislation stated that government actions were based on "race prejudice, war hysteria, and a failure of political leadership.

The Iranians have given NO SUCH LEGISLATION OR APOLOGY!

The USA supported Reza Pahlavi who "murdered and tortured his own citizens, says JTT. I am very muc afraid that you do not know the History of Pahlavi, JTT. You see, according to all reports, Pahlavi was a reformer who made great strides in helping the people of his country when he assumed the throne in 1941. It was only in 1975 that he began to issue dictatorial orders. Then he was indeed not good for the people.

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With Iran's great oil wealth, Mohammad Reza Shah became the pre-eminent leader of the Middle East, and self-styled "Guardian" of the Persian Gulf. In 1975, he abolished the multi-party system of government so that he could rule through a one-party state under the Rastakhiz (Resurrection) Party in autocratic fashion, which he claimed was a response, among other things, to the Soviet Union's support of Iranian Communist militias and parties, particularly the Tudeh Party. In addition, the Shah had decreed that all Iranian citizens and the few remaining political parties must become part of Rastakhiz.

Revolution


http://encyclopedia.stateuniversity.com/pages/15287/Mohammad-Reza-Pahlavi.html#ixzz0Ix9fXJMG&D

But, who, who, in the USA could have straightened out Pahlavi, JTT?

Certainly not Jimmy Carter who became president in 1976! Carter was, of course, the bumbling fool who did not work to get our hostages out of Iran.

JTT complains "They(The USA) supported Saddam Hussein against Iraq.

AND THE USA SUPPORTED THE SOVIET UNION AGAINST NAZI GERMANY, AND THEN BEGAN THE COLD WAR AGAINST THE SOVIETS THREE SHORT YEARS AFTER THE END OF WORLD WAR II.

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Apparently, JTT knows little about Real Politik in which the enemy of my enemy is my friend( until he too becomes my enemy)

Here is a good discussion on Israel's demand to be accepted as a Jewish state.

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/06/19/why_not_recognize_israel_as_a_jewish_state/

Advocate, That's all fine and good, but there have also been articles about the pre-conditions that Israel sets up as a roadblock to peace. In other words, they want their cake and eat it too! Those articles have already been posted on this thread.

Here is a good discussion on Israel's demand to be accepted as a Jewish state.

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/06/19/why_not_recognize_israel_as_a_jewish_state/

JTT complains "They(The USA) supported Saddam Hussein against Iraq.

AND THE USA SUPPORTED THE SOVIET UNION AGAINST NAZI GERMANY, AND THEN BEGAN THE COLD WAR AGAINST THE SOVIETS THREE SHORT YEARS AFTER THE END OF WORLD WAR II.

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Apparently, JTT knows little about Real Politik in which the enemy of my enemy is my friend( until he too becomes my enemy)

The USA supported Reza Pahlavi who "murdered and tortured his own citizens, says JTT. I am very muc afraid that you do not know the History of Pahlavi, JTT. You see, according to all reports, Pahlavi was a reformer who made great strides in helping the people of his country when he assumed the throne in 1941. It was only in 1975 that he began to issue dictatorial orders. Then he was indeed not good for the people.

NOTE:

With Iran's great oil wealth, Mohammad Reza Shah became the pre-eminent leader of the Middle East, and self-styled "Guardian" of the Persian Gulf. In 1975, he abolished the multi-party system of government so that he could rule through a one-party state under the Rastakhiz (Resurrection) Party in autocratic fashion, which he claimed was a response, among other things, to the Soviet Union's support of Iranian Communist militias and parties, particularly the Tudeh Party. In addition, the Shah had decreed that all Iranian citizens and the few remaining political parties must become part of Rastakhiz.

Revolution


http://encyclopedia.stateuniversity.com/pages/15287/Mohammad-Reza-Pahlavi.html#ixzz0Ix9fXJMG&D

But, who, who, in the USA could have straightened out Pahlavi, JTT?

Certainly not Jimmy Carter who became president in 1976! Carter was, of course, the bumbling fool who did not work to get our hostages out of Iran.

Since there isnt a thread devoted to whats going on in Iran, this seems like a good place to comment.

I have watched the video of that young woman being shot in Iran (its posted all over the place), and I have a few comments about it...

I am on the side of those protesting for the rights, but the video is a little sketchy.

My trip to Iraq and treating casualties for more than a year taught me this: a GSW to the lungs usually results in frothy spray only if the person lives long enough aspirate the blood. Arterial bleeding would spray the blood outward, or out of an exit wound. The theatrical blood "pouring" out of the mouth and nose is unlikely, judging from her supine position and supposed loss of conciousness. If it hit a vein, it is possible that she bled out internally, and then the pressure on her chest from her family/friends pushed the blood out, but this seems unlikely.

From a physiological standpoint, I am skeptical about the authenticity of this video. If it is genuine, it is horrid and I feel for her family/friends, as should any other compassionate person. However, this video, for better or worse, is part of the political process now, and should be examined with an impartial eye for accuracy and unemotional analysis. If she was shot, unarmed and causing no threat, it was murder, and those responsible should be punished accordingly.

I haven't seen the video and probably won't watch. But I trust your judgment about it. I would like for the people to be successful in any country trying to rid themselves of an oppressive dictatorship or totalitarian government, but do you trust the leadership of the protestors enough to help them? The USA's own struggle for independence and freedom was long and bloody, and without the help of a few strategic friends, probably would have gone badly.

Is President Obama correct giving only lip service? Or perhaps he is like Reagan and maybe helping out incognito and secretly? Or should we give assistance to those who want freedom?

A few of us have been yapping about Iran over here: http://able2know.org/topic/133255-1

As regards the video... she was reportedly shot in the heart. A few people are starting to express skepticism about it, though.

Thanx for the link.
To save time (and because I'm to lazy to retype it), I copiedmy remarks from this thread and pasted them onto that thread, in response to George.

The fact that Israel is continually attacked by the Pals and other Arab groups makes Israel's terms pretty understandable. The last thing it needs is a terrorist state next door. For instance, a Hamas government running the WB would easily be able to rocket Tel Aviv, Israel's principal airport, Jerusalem, etc., with nary a miss.

Israel fills such a small space. It is so difficult to understand why, in light of so much land in the Middle East and so many jobs in other countries( Dubai--etc.) the Palestinians insist that Israel must be destroyed. Israel covers only about 8,000 square miles. Such a small space for six and a half million people.

They're going at it ass backwards; they discriminate against the Palestinian minority, then expect peace. When the Israelis kill innocent women and children (they call self-defense), all they have accomplished is made more Palestinians wanting revenge. The Israelis have become tyrants; they want to control them with tanks and guns.

There is no prospect for peace under these conditions.

The Palestinians are the savage murderous fanatics. They hurl missles at Israel daily. I never heard of an Israeli going into a Palestinian store and blowing himself or herself up while killing other innocents. The Palestinian fanatics who believe they will go to Allah if they kill Israelis are the problem. There is no such religious stricture in Judaism.

The scumbag Reagan probably was out there in CA leading the charge and profiting from confiscated property.

Take away the enormous sums the US gives to its little socialist satellite and you'd see big changes. Individual Israelis don't need to get their hands dirty.

I never heard of an Israeli going into a Palestinian store and blowing himself or herself up while killing other innocents.

No, they just use their military to kill innocents. They don't dirty their own hands with such things.

Cycloptichorn