@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
If your race is as intelligent and superior as you say it is, why are they hanging on for dear life, so to speak? It seems us dumb gentiles (though as an agnostic, I don't know what you call me) have some things worth studying after all, wouldn't you say?
Cycloptichorn
I never said Jews are superior in intelligence. And, calling them a race is incorrect and racist. They are a religion. Some like to say a people. Some like to say a changing gene pool. But, Your Lordship, not a race.
Any achievements Jews have, as a group, or individually, I just say is due to a culture that emphasizes education and achievement.
I do not think Gentiles are dumb. Perhaps, some are just stuck in a culture of mediocre orientation?
I do not care if you are an agnostic. I make no reference to you in my analysis.
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:
Should the USA immediately return our Southwest to Mexico? I think we claim the territory as prizes of war.
No we should claim it for the betterment of North America. If the Southwest was part of Mexico, there would then just be more illegals coming into the U.S. for a better life. Mexico is not the anglo-culture. It is all about dumb-**** cultures and cultures that produce, innovate and educate.
@Foofie,
Foofie wrote:
Quote:Duh! Over half of Israel's Jews are Sephardic (aka, Arab). No apartheid. Just religious separation like no Christians in some Arab states
Duh? Who the **** is talking about the Jews; we're talking about the Palestinians (Arabs) who happens to live in Israel, but are treated worse than second-class citizens. Their lands being stolen by the Jews, and they don't have any freedom to move around the country freely.
Duh, is right! You're dumber than a turkey.
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
Foofie wrote:
Quote:Duh! Over half of Israel's Jews are Sephardic (aka, Arab). No apartheid. Just religious separation like no Christians in some Arab states
Duh? Who the **** is talking about the Jews; we're talking about the Palestinians (Arabs) who happens to live in Israel, but are treated worse than second-class citizens. Their lands being stolen by the Jews, and they don't have any freedom to move around the country freely.
Duh, is right! You're dumber than a turkey.
Do you think we have a society where everyone gets to live where they want? Why do you think there is bussing for students? Because they cannot live where the schools are better, so they get bussed to that school.
There is no more apartheid in Israel as anywhere else. Look at the Arab neighborhoods around Paris. Are white Pariseans living there? Nyet!
You are just anti-Zionist for your own personal reasons, whatever they are. That is O.K. I would not expect you to be able to commiserate with the feelings of Jews.
@cicerone imposter,
Foofie is not dumb. However, you are one of the biggest liars I have ever confronted.
@Advocate,
Biggest liar? Please list them (all the lies I've told) out for me, because I might learn something from you!
Advocate wrote:
Re: cicerone imposter (Post 3675563)
Foofie is not dumb. However, you are one of the biggest liars I have ever confronted.
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Advocate: Cicerone Imposter is too stupid to lie!!!
If you go back to see what he has written, you will at first be amazed and then you will begin to laugh!
Foofie wrote in response to Cicerone Imposter:
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Do you think we have a society where everyone gets to live where they want? Why do you think there is bussing for students? Because they cannot live where the schools are better, so they get bussed to that school.
There is no more apartheid in Israel as anywhere else. Look at the Arab neighborhoods around Paris. Are white Pariseans living there? Nyet
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It is obvious that Cicerone Imposter, who obviously has a great difficulty reading and understanding basic concepts, is not aware that there were violent riots by Moslems in France. No such riots in Israel.
Foofie wrote in response to Cicerone Imposter:
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Do you think we have a society where everyone gets to live where they want? Why do you think there is bussing for students? Because they cannot live where the schools are better, so they get bussed to that school.
There is no more apartheid in Israel as anywhere else. Look at the Arab neighborhoods around Paris. Are white Pariseans living there? Nyet
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It is obvious that Cicerone Imposter, who obviously has a great difficulty reading and understanding basic concepts, is not aware that there were violent riots by Moslems in France. No such riots in Israel.
@Foofie,
Foofie wrote:
That is right. You would "hate to give credence to your argument..." So, you do not. Your rhetoric means nothing. Hollow eloquence, in my opinion.
My rhetoric means nothing, which is still slightly more than the credibility of your absurd eminent domain proposal.
Quote:I guess all the Nobel Prizes that Jews have won is then not based on cultural dynamism, according to you. I will not say genetic. Perhaps, you should, since you do not like the cultural explanation for so many achievements.
I have no idea what they are based on -- do you? Were Einstein's accomplishments a result of his Jewishness or his Germanness ? Which culture was dominant? Or was it simply his obvious genius?
Your belief in the superiority of the Jewish religion/culture is transparently evident, no matter how you try to dance around it.
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:
Interesting question. I doubt there were questions on the legality of our settlements in Old West territories.
But in retrospect everyone pretty much agrees that it was wrong and can be classified as ethnic cleansing. We did a great many things back then that we no longer do, for good reason.
@Foofie,
Foofie wrote:Do you think we have a society where everyone gets to live where they want? Why do you think there is bussing for students? Because they cannot live where the schools are better, so they get bussed to that school.
There is a huge difference. They are not prevented by law or force from living where they want, they are prevented by economic circumstance. Once, blacks in the south were prevented by law and force from living in certain neighborhoods and going to certain schools, and even using certain water fountains. It was found to be unjust and overturned by our Supreme Court.
What is going on in the West Bank (probably not in Gaza anymore) is slow, deliberate, ethnic cleansing whereby Palestinian land (yes, private land) is taken and given to Israelis and this land is no longer available to anyone but Israelis. This is fundamentally unjust and unjustifiable by anything other than a belief that religion trumps law.
@FreeDuck,
FreeDuck, I believe it's useless trying to convince those Israel apologists who deny that stealing land from the Palestinians is anything but unethical and illegal - in any democracy.
They try to justify ethnic cleansing based on their own history which directly contradicts their own holocaust as something vile and inhuman; they practice it themselves and see nothing wrong with it.
Their minds are made up; god gave them the land.
Advocate, I'm still waiting for your list of my lies. If you're going to call me a liar, at least have the decency to list my lies - for everybody to see!
Quote:Re: Advocate (Post 3675625)
Biggest liar? Please list them (all the lies I've told) out for me, because I might learn something from you!
@FreeDuck,
Israel does not effect ethnic cleansing. That term was invented during the fighting in Yugoslavia during which the Serbs sought to kill or move large populations of Bosnians, Croats, et al. Israeli settlements did not in any way kill or exclude large numbers of Pals. You are the master of the cheap lie. Settling in the WB is not tantamount to stealing Pal land.
@Advocate,
Advocate, Good try, but no cupie doll for you! "Ethnic cleansing" is a term used (from Wiki) when "Ethnic cleansing is a euphemism referring to the persecution through imprisonment, expulsion, or killing of members of an ethnic minority by a local majority
to achieve ethnic homogeneity in majority-controlled territory."
Fits the Jews to a "t" as in the (territory of the) West Bank.
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:
Israeli settlements did not in any way kill or exclude large numbers of Pals. You are the master of the cheap lie. Settling in the WB is not tantamount to stealing Pal land.
How do you figure? You mean Palestinians are allowed to live in the settlements? You mean Palestinian land was not taken for the exclusive use of Israelis? You mean the "barrier" does not now include many of those settlements now as part of Israel, in which Palestinians most definitely cannot live. I mean, certainly, settling in the West Bank does not necessarily have to involve stealing Palestinian land, but clearly the facts show that it has. Then Israel builds roads to these settlements that cut Palestinians off from their land and which Palestinians cannot use. Because Palestinians are not allowed to use the roads or enter the settlements, travel from one city to another becomes increasingly complex and eventually impossible.
Advocate, I can see no reason why you don't know the facts. Clearly this is something that you care enough about to express such a vocal opinion here and to accuse others of lying. Again, I suggest that the next time you start to type the word liar, think about how many hits your credibility can take and then take a minute to review the facts.
Foofie replied to Cyclops:
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Re: Cycloptichorn (Post 3675504)
Cycloptichorn wrote:
If your race is as intelligent and superior as you say it is, why are they hanging on for dear life, so to speak? It seems us dumb gentiles (though as an agnostic, I don't know what you call me) have some things worth studying after all, wouldn't you say?
Cycloptichorn
I never said Jews are superior in intelligence. And, calling them a race is incorrect and racist. They are a religion. Some like to say a people. Some like to say a changing gene pool. But, Your Lordship, not a race.
Any achievements Jews have, as a group, or individually, I just say is due to a culture that emphasizes education and achievement.
I do not think Gentiles are dumb. Perhaps, some are just stuck in a culture of mediocre orientation?
I do not care if you are an agnostic. I make no reference to you in my analysis.
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Foofie- Cyclops posts a great deal. But his comment above about Jews as a "race" shows either a vicious attempt to besmirch a people or else an incrdedible ignorance about the RELIGION of the Jews.
Note:
The total number of Jews worldwide is difficult to assess because the definition of "who is a Jew" is problematic; not all Jews identify themselves as Jewish, and some who identify as Jewish are not considered so by other Jews. According to the Jewish Year Book (1901), the global Jewish population in 1900 was around 11 million. The latest available data is from the World Jewish Population Survey of 2002 and the Jewish Year Calendar (2005). In 2002, according to the Jewish Population Survey, there were 13.3 million Jews around the world. The Jewish Year Calendar cites 14.6 million.
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I think the comments made by Mark Twain may be applicable here:
Twain Wrote:
The Essay
"If the statistics are right, the Jews constitute but one percent of the human race. It suggests a nebulous dim puff of star dust lost in the blaze of the Milky Way. Properly the Jew ought hardly to be heard of, but he is heard of, has always been heard of. He is as prominent on the planet as any other people, and his commercial importance is extravagantly out of proportion to the smallness of his bulk. His contributions to the world's list of great names in literature, science, art, music, finance, medicine, and abstruse learning are also away out of proportion to the weakness of his numbers. He has made a marvellous fight in the world, in all the ages; and has done it with his hands tied behind him. He could be vain of himself, and be excused for it. The Egyptian, the Babylonian, and the Persian rose, filled the planet with sound and splendor, then faded to dream-stuff and passed away; the Greek and the Roman followed, and made a vast noise, and they are gone; other peoples have sprung up and held their torch high for a time, but it burned out, and they sit in twilight now, or have vanished. The Jew saw them all, beat them all, and is now what he always was, exhibiting no decadence, no infirmities of age, no weakening of his parts, no slowing of his energies, no dulling of his alert and aggressive mind. All things are mortal but the Jew; all other forces pass, but he remains. What is the secret of his immortality?"
Mark Twain
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@FreeDuck,
FreeDuck wrote:
Your belief in the superiority of the Jewish religion/culture is transparently evident, no matter how you try to dance around it.
Superior in what way? you should ask. Superior in maintaining a higher average level of learning. Not superior inherently, just superior in producing a greater percent of college graduates and children of higher IQs than some other groups in the U.S. , and perhaps some countries. That is not superiority, that is maintaining higher standards. Sort of like Parochial schools are known to have more students reading at grade level than public schools in the same area.
It is all about maintaining standards. Like Protestants had to be literate since Luther, to read the bible. Catholicism allowed its flock to be illiterate and still have Salvation. Get it. Standards, not superiority.
I know many people like to apply the word superior to what Jews supposedly feel. There are many stupid people in the world. If I converted to another faith, could I then feel superior to the stupid people in the world, without being accused of a Jewish superiority complex?
