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JTT
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jun, 2009 10:19 am
@Foofie,
Quote:
Only "chosen" to give the world the Ten Commandments.


Big D delusional. You don't actually believe those fairy tales, Foofie, you couldn't.
FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jun, 2009 11:23 am
@JTT,
No worries, it made me laugh too.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jun, 2009 11:27 am
@Foofie,
Foofie wrote:

The concept of "spoils of war" is archaic in the minds of many today, I believe. The concept of eminent domain is as old as William the Conquerer, and may be more valid in the minds of today's liberal progressive left, since eminent domain is based on what is better for the greater good. In effect, a better argument can be made, I believe, that Israel, as a high-tech innovative nation can offer the world more than their adversarial neighbors that have just lived an existence in compliance with their culture and faith. Culture and faith has not stopped Israel from being high-tech; I wonder why?

Ideally, Israel could be the 21st century "mentor" to their neighbors, if their neighbors would not feel humiliated by accepting the role of mentoree. Perhaps, our egos do get in our way, more than we think?


I hate to give credence to your argument that eminent domain could possibly apply to this situation by arguing with it, but I have to point out that the concept of eminent domain (which I think has been abused and can think of at least one US Supreme Court case that I think was dead wrong) implies a public use. The public, in that case, would seem to include the same people whose land was taken. Also, in the US, land cannot be taken without compensation. Neither of these two aspects apply to the situation with Israel. The people whose land is taken do not have usage of the developed property nor are they compensated.

And I'll just say once more that your cultural superiority argument is pure bunkem.
FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jun, 2009 11:28 am
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:

Keep in mind that the settlements were not built in a "state."

Of course not, otherwise there would be no controversy.

Quote:
The area is a territory on which Israelis have the right to place settlements.

No, they don't, at least not to the exclusion of the Palestinians who live there.
Advocate
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jun, 2009 01:05 pm
@FreeDuck,
Are you saying that Israel prohibits Pals from living in the WB and Gaza? How stupid is that!
McTag
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jun, 2009 01:20 pm
@Foofie,
Quote:
Or, they might commisserate with the feeling of Jews being abandoned by civilized nations 60 years ago, and therefore may weigh the indignities of fences, versus indignities of showers of Zyclon B.


This argument wore thin a long time ago, as discussed (by me) on previous pages: that because of events during the Nazi regime, anything Israel may do is somehow allowable, even understandable.

Think again.
FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jun, 2009 01:20 pm
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:

Are you saying that Israel prohibits Pals from living in the WB and Gaza? How stupid is that!

Israel prohibits Palestinians from living in areas taken for settlement and forbids them from using roads built to connect the settlements. That's what I'm saying. Foofie's argument for eminent domain assumes that land is taken from private owners and given to the public for all to use. It clearly does not apply.

Next time the word "stupid" starts to escape your fingers, remind yourself of how easily you misunderstand what is written, and use the backspace key.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jun, 2009 01:50 pm
@FreeDuck,
FreeDuck, We must continue to remind those Israel apologists that their perceptions about how Palestinians live in Israel in not "democratic" by any means. Why our politicians continue to describe Israel as the "only democracy in the MIddle East" tells me they are also ignorant. It's an apartheid state that discriminates with the approval of the US government.

Foofie
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jun, 2009 05:37 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Foofie, You seem to have some misconception that all Jews are the smartest and brightest. Ignorance prevails!


More industrious than their Arab neighbors. Not smarter. Their neighbors are not Americans or Germans. No one questions Americans or Germans when they come up with high-tech innovations. Stop making this discussion about Jews. That is part of the problem. The discussion is about neighbors, and their adversarial relationship.

No one questions the quality of Japanese products, as compared to Chinese products. Perhaps, the Japanese are better at high-tech products. That might reflect something about the Japanese culture too.
Foofie
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jun, 2009 05:38 pm
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:

Keep in mind that the settlements were not built in a "state." The area is a territory on which Israelis have the right to place settlements.


You mean like the "territories" in our Old West, that eventually joined the Union?
Foofie
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jun, 2009 05:39 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

Advocate wrote:

Keep in mind that the settlements were not built in a "state." The area is a territory on which Israelis have the right to place settlements.


No, they do not.

You just don't give a damn about anything at all, other than the advancement of Israel, when it comes to that region, do you?

Cycloptichorn


Not the advancement Your Lordship, but the survival.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jun, 2009 05:41 pm
@Foofie,
More industrious?

Foofie wrote:
Quote:
Stop making this discussion about Jews.


You're the one who continues to promote Jews as the "most industrious, more Nobel Prize winners, more contributions to America, etc., etc., etc...

Give us a f..c'g break!
Foofie
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jun, 2009 05:45 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:

Quote:
Only "chosen" to give the world the Ten Commandments.


Big D delusional. You don't actually believe those fairy tales, Foofie, you couldn't.


Well, Christians say the Jews were "chosen" to give the world God's only Son. It is just which side one is on religiously. However, "chosen" does not imply superior, as some anti-Semites like to imply. I personally believe Jews were "chosen" to have to tolerate Gentiles of mediocre analytical ability. The smart Gentiles get to cloister themselves off in "restricted" environments. In effect, Jews that happen to be smart tend to have to interact with the mediocre of the world.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jun, 2009 05:49 pm
@Foofie,
Foofie wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Advocate wrote:

Keep in mind that the settlements were not built in a "state." The area is a territory on which Israelis have the right to place settlements.


No, they do not.

You just don't give a damn about anything at all, other than the advancement of Israel, when it comes to that region, do you?

Cycloptichorn


Not the advancement Your Lordship, but the survival.


Pff and poppycock. What a crock of ****.

If your race is as intelligent and superior as you say it is, why are they hanging on for dear life, so to speak? It seems us dumb gentiles (though as an agnostic, I don't know what you call me) have some things worth studying after all, wouldn't you say?

Cycloptichorn
Foofie
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jun, 2009 05:49 pm
@FreeDuck,
FreeDuck wrote:


I hate to give credence to your argument that eminent domain could possibly apply to this situation by arguing with it, but I have to point out that the concept of eminent domain (which I think has been abused and can think of at least one US Supreme Court case that I think was dead wrong) implies a public use. The public, in that case, would seem to include the same people whose land was taken. Also, in the US, land cannot be taken without compensation. Neither of these two aspects apply to the situation with Israel. The people whose land is taken do not have usage of the developed property nor are they compensated.

And I'll just say once more that your cultural superiority argument is pure bunkem.


That is right. You would "hate to give credence to your argument..." So, you do not. Your rhetoric means nothing. Hollow eloquence, in my opinion.

I am saying eminent domain should be applied. It obviously has not been.

I guess all the Nobel Prizes that Jews have won is then not based on cultural dynamism, according to you. I will not say genetic. Perhaps, you should, since you do not like the cultural explanation for so many achievements.
Foofie
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jun, 2009 05:52 pm
@McTag,
McTag wrote:

Quote:
Or, they might commisserate with the feeling of Jews being abandoned by civilized nations 60 years ago, and therefore may weigh the indignities of fences, versus indignities of showers of Zyclon B.


This argument wore thin a long time ago, as discussed (by me) on previous pages: that because of events during the Nazi regime, anything Israel may do is somehow allowable, even understandable.

Think again.


I am thinking again. All I come up with is you are very much a nice Gentile. When it comes to commisseration with the feelings of Jews, I will go to someone other than yourself.
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Foofie
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jun, 2009 05:54 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

FreeDuck, We must continue to remind those Israel apologists that their perceptions about how Palestinians live in Israel in not "democratic" by any means. Why our politicians continue to describe Israel as the "only democracy in the MIddle East" tells me they are also ignorant. It's an apartheid state that discriminates with the approval of the US government.




Duh! Over half of Israel's Jews are Sephardic (aka, Arab). No apartheid. Just religious separation like no Christians in some Arab states.
Foofie
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jun, 2009 05:56 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

More industrious?

Foofie wrote:
Quote:
Stop making this discussion about Jews.


You're the one who continues to promote Jews as the "most industrious, more Nobel Prize winners, more contributions to America, etc., etc., etc...

Give us a f..c'g break!


Spit it out. The word is ****!
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Advocate
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jun, 2009 05:59 pm
@Foofie,
Interesting question. I doubt there were questions on the legality of our settlements in Old West territories.
Advocate
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jun, 2009 06:03 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Should the USA immediately return our Southwest to Mexico? I think we claim the territory as prizes of war.
 

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