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If it took the Supreme Court to overturn that prejudiced behavior, and you do not point out that it should have been the Southern whites that woke up to the fact that they were acting like bigots, then we have no discussion, since you allow Southern whites to be "corrected" by the Supreme Court, but you want Israelis themselves to see the error of their ways. Double standard.

No. God told the U.N. and Britain to give them the land.

How do you know what the motive is? Based on the lifestyles of the two adjacent groups, one could also believe the Israeli Jews are effecting "scatter sight housing" for the poor, by allowing them to live amongst middle class Israelis. The goal in urban America for scatter sight housing is based on the hope that the poor will learn to live with middle class mores.

Foofie, don't be so gol' darn dumb!

You do not have to stand in judgement of my intelligence, unless it makes you feel sort of happier.

I didn't, you illustrated the lack thereof, poifectly.

JTT, Thanks for confirming what I've said about Foofie; dumber than a turkey!

Foofie wrote:

Superior in what way? you should ask. Superior in maintaining a higher average level of learning. Not superior inherently, just superior in producing a greater percent of college graduates and children of higher IQs than some other groups in the U.S. , and perhaps some countries. That is not superiority, that is maintaining higher standards. Sort of like Parochial schools are known to have more students reading at grade level than public schools in the same area.

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Nobel Jews

As the Nobel Prize marks its centennial,
Jews constitute 1/5 of laureates

Throughout the 20th century, Jews, more so than any other minority, ethnic or cultural group, have been recipients of the Nobel Prize -- perhaps the most distinguished award for human endeavor in the six fields for which it is given. Remarkably, Jews constitute almost one-fifth of all Nobel laureates. This, in a world in which Jews number just a fraction of 1 percent of the population.

It is ironic that this international recognition has rewarded Jewish accomplishment in the same century that witnessed pogroms, the Holocaust, and wars that killed millions for no other reason than that they were Jewish. Certainly the Nobel Prize was not awarded to Jews because they were entitled to it, were smarter or better educated than everyone else, or because they were typically over-represented in the six fields honored by the award.

Rather, all Nobel laureates have earned their distinction in a traditionally fierce competition among the best and the brightest, although politics and controversy have not infrequently followed in the wake of the Nobel.

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In light of the above, one must ask the question as to why there are so many brilliant Asian students in the USA. The Asians, especially those from Vietman have not started out with great advantages yet there are many Asians who are Phi Beta Kappa candidates. The Asians also do well because they maintain higher standards.

I'm applying the word to what you have expressed. I have no reason to generalize and project your opinions onto the whole of Jewry. Whether or not you would still feel superior to the rest of the world if you converted to another faith is a topic best discussed between you and yourself.

Huh? Really? That "behavior" was a matter of law, thus the Supreme Court had to correct it. The prejudice remained and still exists today, but not enough significantly harm blacks the way it once did. Sure, it would have been nice if folks in the south "woke up" but that almost never happens. How many people can completely change their societal structures over night?

I have no idea how you see this as some sort of double standard. I want the Israeli government to correct what they're doing -- some of which is already illegal by their own laws. I am sure that there will continue to be some hatred between the most extreme elements in both societies even if there is justice in Israel-Palestine. I don't purport to have any control over that.

Obama appears to be dedicated to bringing peace, and encouraging an independent Palestinian state.

However, there are valid questions on whether the Pals are psychologically capable of living in peace with Israel, and culturally capable of constructing a solid independent state.

The following article provides insight on these questions.


Schadenfreude: An Interesting German Word that Fits the Writer's Feelings for the Palestinians (and Some Well-Meaning Jews)
by Si Frumkin, (Los Angeles) Jewish Observer, October 3-5, 2005

I am not a great fan of German achievement. I believe that a Lexus or a Cadillac is better than a BMW or Mercedes.

But I do acknowledge that Germans have a way with words. They created words that other languages simply do not have. Schadenfreude [schah-den-froy-day] is such a word.

In case you are not familiar with it, it takes seven English words to define it: "malicious satisfaction in the misfortunes of others." The dictionary also explains it with a quote from The New York Times about historian Peter Gay"who felt Schadenfreude as a Jewish child in Nazi-era Berlin, watching the Germans lose coveted gold medals in the 1936 Olympics; he said that it "can be one of the great joys of life."

All this is a prelude to inform you that I felt"and greatly enjoyed Schadenfreude recently.

A friend had recently come back from a trip to Russia.

He told us that he saw beautiful flowers at an expensive flower shop in Moscow and asked where these out-of-season flowers had come from. "Holland," he was told. "Most of our flowers come from Holland, but the Dutch buy a lot of them from Israel and resell them throughout Europe. We are lucky to get them. They are so beautiful."

Another friend spent a week in the French countryside where he enjoyed a wonderful tasty fruit, apparently some kind of a cross of a peach and a plum. He asked what it was and was told that it was imported from Israel, the only place where it was cultivated.

I am sure that at least some of the flowers, fruit and vegetables that cater to European sophisticates came from the more than 3000 Gaza greenhouses. They were all built on barren empty land by the Jews who, until a few years ago, employed over 12,000 Palestinians there. Since the start of the last Intifada and several terror attacks by the more demented employees, the number of Arabs working the greenhouses was drastically reduced, and they were replaced by Thais, Africans and Filipinos.

During the months of preparation for the Israeli withdrawal, there were many questions on what should be done with the green-houses. They were state-of-art agricultural marvels with their own sophisticated temperature and humidity control systems. They turned out millions of dollars worth of produce yearly and they were a source of employment for thousands of people in an area, where close to 40% were unemployed.

Should these marvelous structures be destroyed or moved or just abandoned? Then a wonderful and heartwarming solution was found. A small group of wealthy American Jews decided to buy the greenhouses from Israel and donate them to the Palestinian Authority. One of the donors was former World Bank president James Wolfensohn who put up $500,000 of his own money. All in all, $14 million was collected, the deal was done and an appreciative Palestinian spokesmen announced that the greenhouses would become the cornerstone of the future Palestinian economy.

So where is the Schadenfreude, you say? Happy ending for all, right? Palestinians get the greenhouses, Israelis get $14 million and the small group of admirable Jews in America get the warm feeling of having made the world a more tolerant and loving place where Arabs appreciate Jewish kindness and are less eager to murder Jews, right?

Well, no, not really!

Have you heard the old story about a scorpion that asked a fox to carry him across a river?

The fox refused: "You are a scorpion and you might sting me," he said. The scorpion scoffed. "Don't be ridiculous. Why would I sting you? We would both drown if I did that," he said.

The fox thought this made sense and told him to climb on his back. Halfway across the river the scorpion stung the fox. "Why did you do that? Now we'll both drown," cried the drowning fox.

"I know, my friend, but it is in my nature to sting" said the scorpion before dying.

And so it is in the nature of the Palestinian mentality: Just an hour or so after the Jews left Gaza, thousands of Palestinians swarmed into the empty settlements.

The Palestinian police stood and watched the mob demolish the abandoned synagogues and set them on fire. They also watched with interest as part of the crowd turned on the greenhouses, breaking windows, taking plates of glass, wiring, computer and electronic parts, irrigation pipes and timers.

It didn't take long and after a few hours or so the greenhouses that it had taken years to build were just so much junk.

And so I have Schadenfreude. The Palestinians will not export flowers to Holland or fruit to France. The greenhouses will not be rebuilt.

The Palestinian economy, such as it is, will continue to be mired in corruption, hatred and violence.

They will suffer"Schadenfreude­"but still, they'll never admit that it was their own fault.

And I also have Schadenfreude towards the naive rich Jews who thought that the Arab reaction to their gift would be based on logic and not on inbred hatred. You silly people, didn't you learn yet that this is the Middle East where scorpions sting even if this means their own destruction? You lost $14 million and, you know, I am glad you did.

I only hope that Israel cashed the $14 million check before it was too late.

Another reason why the Palestinian people will not export flowers or fruit to Holland is that nothing is allowed to cross the border with Israel in order to reach a port or an airport.

Advocate wrote:

Your inference is illogical and without any merit. How do any of us know if the Jews are "capable of living in peace with the Pals in Israel?" The Zionists are extremists as much as any group in this world. Who do you think controls Israel?

Finally, Netanyahu says those words 'Palestinian State'!


Full report by the Israel National News Agency (Arutz Sheva).

The Pals have NEVER indicated that they are willing to live in peace with an Israel. At least in the past, Israel has essentially fought for a separate Pal state.

Oh, come on , Walter Hinteler. You know that Netanyahu would never been allowed to say those words in Nazi Germany in 1939-40, He would have been shipped forthwith to Buchenwald.

But I do know what Netanyahu has said over and over--

"Never Again".

Advocate's great post needs repeating--Thanks, Advocate--


1 Reply report Sun 14 Jun, 2009 08:39 am Obama appears to be dedicated to bringing peace, and encouraging an independent Palestinian state.

However, there are valid questions on whether the Pals are psychologically capable of living in peace with Israel, and culturally capable of constructing a solid independent state.

The following article provides insight on these questions.


Schadenfreude: An Interesting German Word that Fits the Writer's Feelings for the Palestinians (and Some Well-Meaning Jews)
by Si Frumkin, (Los Angeles) Jewish Observer, October 3-5, 2005

I am not a great fan of German achievement. I believe that a Lexus or a Cadillac is better than a BMW or Mercedes.

But I do acknowledge that Germans have a way with words. They created words that other languages simply do not have. Schadenfreude [schah-den-froy-day] is such a word.

In case you are not familiar with it, it takes seven English words to define it: "malicious satisfaction in the misfortunes of others." The dictionary also explains it with a quote from The New York Times about historian Peter Gay"who felt Schadenfreude as a Jewish child in Nazi-era Berlin, watching the Germans lose coveted gold medals in the 1936 Olympics; he said that it "can be one of the great joys of life."

All this is a prelude to inform you that I felt"and greatly enjoyed Schadenfreude recently.

A friend had recently come back from a trip to Russia.

He told us that he saw beautiful flowers at an expensive flower shop in Moscow and asked where these out-of-season flowers had come from. "Holland," he was told. "Most of our flowers come from Holland, but the Dutch buy a lot of them from Israel and resell them throughout Europe. We are lucky to get them. They are so beautiful."

Another friend spent a week in the French countryside where he enjoyed a wonderful tasty fruit, apparently some kind of a cross of a peach and a plum. He asked what it was and was told that it was imported from Israel, the only place where it was cultivated.

I am sure that at least some of the flowers, fruit and vegetables that cater to European sophisticates came from the more than 3000 Gaza greenhouses. They were all built on barren empty land by the Jews who, until a few years ago, employed over 12,000 Palestinians there. Since the start of the last Intifada and several terror attacks by the more demented employees, the number of Arabs working the greenhouses was drastically reduced, and they were replaced by Thais, Africans and Filipinos.

During the months of preparation for the Israeli withdrawal, there were many questions on what should be done with the green-houses. They were state-of-art agricultural marvels with their own sophisticated temperature and humidity control systems. They turned out millions of dollars worth of produce yearly and they were a source of employment for thousands of people in an area, where close to 40% were unemployed.

Should these marvelous structures be destroyed or moved or just abandoned? Then a wonderful and heartwarming solution was found. A small group of wealthy American Jews decided to buy the greenhouses from Israel and donate them to the Palestinian Authority. One of the donors was former World Bank president James Wolfensohn who put up $500,000 of his own money. All in all, $14 million was collected, the deal was done and an appreciative Palestinian spokesmen announced that the greenhouses would become the cornerstone of the future Palestinian economy.

So where is the Schadenfreude, you say? Happy ending for all, right? Palestinians get the greenhouses, Israelis get $14 million and the small group of admirable Jews in America get the warm feeling of having made the world a more tolerant and loving place where Arabs appreciate Jewish kindness and are less eager to murder Jews, right?

Well, no, not really!

Have you heard the old story about a scorpion that asked a fox to carry him across a river?

The fox refused: "You are a scorpion and you might sting me," he said. The scorpion scoffed. "Don't be ridiculous. Why would I sting you? We would both drown if I did that," he said.

The fox thought this made sense and told him to climb on his back. Halfway across the river the scorpion stung the fox. "Why did you do that? Now we'll both drown," cried the drowning fox.

"I know, my friend, but it is in my nature to sting" said the scorpion before dying.

And so it is in the nature of the Palestinian mentality: Just an hour or so after the Jews left Gaza, thousands of Palestinians swarmed into the empty settlements.

The Palestinian police stood and watched the mob demolish the abandoned synagogues and set them on fire. They also watched with interest as part of the crowd turned on the greenhouses, breaking windows, taking plates of glass, wiring, computer and electronic parts, irrigation pipes and timers.

It didn't take long and after a few hours or so the greenhouses that it had taken years to build were just so much junk.

And so I have Schadenfreude. The Palestinians will not export flowers to Holland or fruit to France. The greenhouses will not be rebuilt.

The Palestinian economy, such as it is, will continue to be mired in corruption, hatred and violence.

They will suffer"Schadenfreude­"but still, they'll never admit that it was their own fault.

And I also have Schadenfreude towards the naive rich Jews who thought that the Arab reaction to their gift would be based on logic and not on inbred hatred. You silly people, didn't you learn yet that this is the Middle East where scorpions sting even if this means their own destruction? You lost $14 million and, you know, I am glad you did.

I only hope that Israel cashed the $14 million check before it was too late.

The racist diatribe above posted originally by Advocate could easily - with some systematic changes in details - have been written by a Nazi propogandist about the Jews in Europe during the 1930s.

Bitter irony there.

Advocate, See if you can reconcile the way Palestinians are treated, why their unemployment rate is much higher than the Jews, and why the occupation is contrary to any peace in Israel.



Would you be a docile citizen in a country where your freedoms are taken away, your lands stolen, you have no opportunity to work? You dare still call Israel a "democracy?"

Advocate, I'm still waiting for that huge list of lies I've told, since you said I was the biggest liar. At least list a couple, will ya!