ISRAEL - IRAN - SYRIA - HAMAS - HEZBOLLAH - WWWIII?

Well, while I appreciate that experiencing something can change ones perspective, I would like to think that experience does not do away with one's ability to think critically and acknowledge both sides of an issue.

As for the tragedy of the loss of Christian communities as well as loss of all Palestinian and other innocent Arab life as well as loss of innocent Israeli life, I see the Pope as an intelligent man able to see clearly and to see things for what they are. I can't imagine that he would not understand that the tragedies would not have happened had it not been for the intentional acts of a relatively few truly evil men.

And I would hope that he will speak through rational with clear-eyed vision to tell it as it is rather than bow to leftwing anti-Israeli propaganda that ignores everything that has prompted whatever action by Israel.

Don't expect intellectual honesty from the likes of Walter and the other Israel haters. They distort all the facts to the detriment of Israel.

I doubt that you would fare very well in a Muslim country.

But then again, you may be looking forward to it. Perhaps you should move to the WB or Gaza.

All the Arabs have to do to be given back what was stolen by Israel from what the UN gave the Arabs, is grant Israel's right to exist in the territory the UN gave Israel, and simultaneously stop trying to steal more than what the UN gave the Arabs!

As long as the moderate Palestinian Arabs persisted in failing to stop those among them mass murdering Israelis, they had no one but themselves to blame for the full consequences of Israel exterminating those among them mass murdering Israelis, AND also murdering many moderates in the same neighborhoods.

I have not seen evidence that Walter is an Israel hater. There are some here who obviously do hate Israel and/or the Jews and can't or won't admit, acknowledge, or see any good in them nor any justification for their attempts to protect themselves. Walter is a nitpicker who frequently isn't on the same page with others, but that's just him. I don't believe he is an Israel-hater.

As for the others, they heap their contempt, hatred, and loathing of Israel upon Israel, but you can bet their bottom dollar that if they were in trouble or danger in the Middle East, Israel is where they would want to be.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion of Walter.

If I were you, I'd root for the Chinese, Thais, Cambodians, Vietnamese, South Koreans, Indians(Hindus) and hispanics to be fruitful and multiply...

I did not say you should not debate anything relating to Israel. I just pointed out that to argue a pro-Palestinean position to a Jew is sort of an exercise in futility oftentimes.

I do know there are religious Jews that do not believe in the State of Israel, but rather believe only God can give Israel to the Jews. These Jews are a minority amongst Jews. They belong to one, or a few, Chassidic Sects. Chassidim have Rebbes that act like mini-Popes, in my opinion. Mainstream Judaism (Reformed, Conservative, Orthodox, Reconstructionist) is called Rabbinical Judaism. They have Rabbis (aka, teachers) to officiate over prayers, etc. By the way, Jesus was on the cutting edge of Judaism, he being a Rabbi when it was first coming into the faith.

So, do not think you can argue logically with me on Israel. I do not accept logic relating to Israel. Six million dead in the Final Solution has eliminated my ability to see logic when it comes to the continued existence of Israel.

P.S. The picture you posted was the Satmar Chassidim, known for their white stockings, and fur hats, all the rage in a past century in Eastern Europe, I believe.

Foofie wrote:

You don't even know your own people who are against Israel. Why do you insist all Jews are like you? CLUE: They are not. Your myopia and bigotry shows big time. Your belief about Jews are off the mark by a mile.

Go ply your ignorance some place else.

I can only tell you my beliefs as a Jew where I am, not on the left coast, or the halls of academia.

For sure.

Here is an interesting speech on Muslim tolerance in Holland.

http://community.livejournal.com/gaza2009/309146.html

They will soon be demanding shariah justice in Europe.

And what's your point?

Since 1948, has there been broad Muslim condemnation of their fellow Muslims' murderous acts committed in the name of their God? If yes, then by whom and when? If no, then why not?

Is that anything like christians taking responsibility for all the christian murderers in god's name?

No, because Christians generally, adamantly, agressively, and legally do hold accountable those Christians that murder in their God's name.

Muslims on the otherhand, generally do not hold accountable those Muslims that murder in their God's name.

In "god's" name? ROTFLMAO

So when we invaded a sovereign country like Iraq - even though they posed no threat to the US - our killing hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis were "blessed" by your god?

Only if you consider Bush a god.

I think you believe that the entire area should be a single country. My post shows why this is completely out of the question from an Israeli point of view.

I pity the non-Muslim Europeans whose countries are coming under the control of Muslims.

Are you trying to convince anybody here that none of the soldiers who fought this war never prayed to their christian god?