ISRAEL - IRAN - SYRIA - HAMAS - HEZBOLLAH - WWWIII?

@ican711nm,

You just don't "get it." Not my problem.

@Walter Hinteler,

I wonder if they will tell the Pope that the wall went up to keep out the terrorist bombers that were killing, maiming, mutilating Israelis in their markets and on their busses. And for the most part it has been successful in doing that. And it has saved Palestinian lives too as the Israelis don't have to deal with terrorists on the Palestinian side anymore.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Ha'aretz, quoting Ehud Barak, wrote:

"Bibi has a hard choice to make: Does he want to be [Yitzhak] Shamir or [Menachem] Begin?" he asked. "There is deep understanding between us on the need to address the political issue, and that it is impossible to leave things in a state of paralysis. If we sink into paralysis, we may find the world losing interest in Israel and in this conflict - or, in an even worse scenario, acceptance by the world that the solution is not two states for two nations, but one state for two nations, which for us is a concrete risk, a slippery slope."

Is Barak referring to Shamir's objection to the peace treaty that Begin signed with Egypt 1979, and Israel's subsequent withdrawal from the Sinai Peninsula?

Anyway, the Zionists are heading, in all irony, directly towards their worst nightmare through the actions of their government. Israel's continued arrogation of Palestinian land is making the realization of a two-state solution less and less realizable. The only solution, that being the most just solution to boot, would be a single state, truly democratic, egalitarian, and pluralistic for both peoples in Israel/Palestine.

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre wrote:

I wonder if they will tell the Pope that the wall went up to keep out the terrorist bombers that were killing, maiming, mutilating Israelis in their markets and on their busses. And for the most part it has been successful in doing that. And it has saved Palestinian lives too as the Israelis don't have to deal with terrorists on the Palestinian side anymore.

Perhaps you don't know that the Pope is a native German and quite aware of what a wall does.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Foxie is quite comfortable stepping into shite; it's her SOP/MO.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:

I wonder if they will tell the Pope that the wall went up to keep out the terrorist bombers that were killing, maiming, mutilating Israelis in their markets and on their busses. And for the most part it has been successful in doing that. And it has saved Palestinian lives too as the Israelis don't have to deal with terrorists on the Palestinian side anymore.

Perhaps you don't know that the Pope is a native German and quite aware of what a wall does.

You missed my point Walter. I don't think the Pope's country of origin or his ethnicity was pertinent to the point I was making.

The Palestinians apparently plan to make a big deal of showing how evil the wall is. I just just suggesting it would be appropriate to also acknowledge why the wall was put up in the first place.

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@Foxfyre,

But Walter's point is germane; re: cement fences.

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre wrote:

You missed my point Walter. I don't think the Pope's country of origin or his ethnicity was pertinent to the point I was making.

Well, when the Pope was a professor, he taught about "the wall" which not only divided Germany. And as a bishop, he certainly was aware about a wall does with people.
That might not be your point - but you've not lived three decades with one.

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@Walter Hinteler,

I don't have to live three decades with one to understand why it was put up. I think intellectual honesty requires acknowledgment of WHY the wall was erected if it is going to be showcased as an action of the evil Israelis. And no amount of bits of biography, history or other trivia changes that simple concept.

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@Foxfyre,

You still missed Walter's comment about "what walls does to people."

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre wrote:

And no amount of bits of biography, history or other trivia changes that simple concept.

Well, be glad that YOU didn't have to live with such trivia like a dividing, deadly wall. It is indeed a simple concept as the Pope and millions of Germans could feel.

Oh, of course: you Americans brought the wall down and saved us again.
Thank you!

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@Walter Hinteler,

We aren't talking about the Berlin wall no matter how ungrateful you might feel about that Walter and that makes that a straw man to divert from a discussion of the wall dividing Israel from Palestine. Do you honestly think the Berlin Wall was no different from that one dividing Israel from Palestine?

I don't have to break my leg to know that is something I would not like. Nor do I have to break my leg to know that if I jump off the roof, a broken leg (among other things) is highly likely. And I don't have to fall off a high ledge to appreciate the barrier that prevents me from doing so.

I don't have to live near a barrier wall to know that I wouldn't like it if its purpose is to prevent me from doing what I want to do. And I don't have to experience such a wall to understand that walls are sometimes necessary to restrain dangerous people from hurting other people.

I suppose it is possible that there are no bad or dangerous people in Germany and no measures are necessary to protect others from bad people. That might explain why you are having such a difficult time understanding the point I am making here.

Or perhaps if there is no necessity in Germany for any kind of security it would explain why you are able to see only one side of the issue when others do see a necessity for security.

If the Palestinians are going to showcase the wall as a condemnation of Israel, it is only right that the reason for the existance of the wall be showcased as well.

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Brace yourself. In a few decades, Europe will be a Muslim continent, and North America will be heading in the same direction. Some of you will have the joy of living amidst a sea of Muslims.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU

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@Advocate,

So? The US is increasing with more minorities and less whites. Why don't you move to a country that's totally white?

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@cicerone imposter,

Believe me that they are the exceptions who proved the rule.

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre wrote:

I suppose it is possible that there are no bad or dangerous people in Germany and no measures are necessary to protect others from bad people. That might explain why you are having such a difficult time understanding the point I am making here.

Or perhaps if there is no necessity in Germany for any kind of security it would explain why you are able to see only one side of the issue when others do see a necessity for security.

No it's just because we have lived with such "trivia".

back to my posts about the Pope's visit: I wonder what he'll say when he'll visit the destroyed Christian communities (both our Lutheran and Catholic sister parishes have been badly destroyed by Israelian attacks.)

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@Walter Hinteler,

When will you learn that Pal leaders, who don't want to be murdered, will not enter into an agreement with Israel. Arafat said this when he walked away from the Camp David conference.

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@cicerone imposter,

The fence brought considerable peace to the areas near it. Pal attacks were largely eliminated. I guess good fences make good neighbors.

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@Walter Hinteler,

There is no comparison to the Berlin wall, which divided a single country and people. Israel is a separate state and is entitled to keep non-Israelis out.

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@cicerone imposter,

Ican posted: Cicerone, you may subscribe " to the paradigm of honesty, logic, and equality for all peoples," but you sure do not practice it.

Cicerone imposter posted: You just don't "get it." Not my problem.

QED!

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