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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 23 Apr, 2009 11:45 am
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:

But here is testimony from the Israeli side.


Where? Both Abrahan Cooper as well as Harold Brackmann are Americans.
Advocate
 
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Reply Thu 23 Apr, 2009 11:54 am
@ican711nm,
Ican, Israel has never been in the business of murdering and exterminating. However, they do assassinate a few who murder Jews.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 23 Apr, 2009 11:55 am
@Walter Hinteler,
I mean it is testimony from one ON the Israeli side Walter. Geez.
Advocate
 
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Reply Thu 23 Apr, 2009 11:57 am
@cicerone imposter,
You are lying again. Israel has never killed Pals because they are Pals.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Thu 23 Apr, 2009 11:58 am
@FreeDuck,
Did you find that in some Pal rag? It is BS.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 23 Apr, 2009 12:25 pm
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:

I mean it is testimony from one ON the Israeli side Walter. Geez.


Why didn't you write/say so? I mean, English is your first language ...
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 23 Apr, 2009 12:27 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Because I know how much you love to nitpick, Walter, and I didn't want to deny you that pleasure. Enjoy.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 23 Apr, 2009 12:29 pm
@Foxfyre,
You're too generous, Foxfyre, innit?
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Thu 23 Apr, 2009 01:27 pm
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:

Did you find that in some Pal rag? It is BS.

I guess if the BBC is a Pal rag. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4333982.stm

But you could google it yourself and find it any kind of rag.
FreeDuck
 
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Reply Thu 23 Apr, 2009 01:36 pm
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:

But so far as human shields go, the closest thing to re Israeli policy was the practice of sending a Palestinian into buildings where terrorists/combatants were suspected of hiding rather than have Israelis go in after them--the Palestinian was to ask the combatants to give themselves up. When the Israelis were ordered to stop doing that practice, they had no choice but to go in themselves, sometimes with tragic results. It was a no win situation.

Using Palestinian civilians in place of soldiers in a situations that can have "tragic results" for a soldier (one has to assume that it can be equally tragic for the civilian sent in in his stead) is exactly using that civilian as a human shield. If the police were raiding your neighbors house, and had reason to believe the occupants were armed in dangerous, and so decided to send you in instead so that they wouldn't get hurt, would that work for you?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 23 Apr, 2009 01:42 pm
@FreeDuck,
Thank you, FreeDuck, for that article on the IDF using human shields.

I'm sure all those Israel apologists will try to rationalize this fact with BS.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 23 Apr, 2009 02:27 pm
Two interesting news reports, I think:

Meaningful peace won't work if Hamas and Fatah are at odds headlines The Daily Star from Lebanon:
Quote:
The continuing internal schism between the more moderate and secular Fatah and the Islamist Hamas has not only left the Palestinian leadership in disarray, but has also made meaningful peace negotiations with Israel next to impossible. Moreover, continued internal disunity continues to thwart reconstruction efforts in Gaza, which are urgently needed in the aftermath of Israel's military offensive earlier this year. Thus, the outcome of the negotiations in Cairo will have repercussions for Palestinians and Israelis - and, indeed, for anyone with a stake in the Middle East peace process.



And Reuters reports that Israel's new government wants with a 'Brand Israel project' to change the impact made on ordinary people:
Quote:
"When people have a better understanding of who we are, then they understand our actions in Gaza better," said Ido Aharoni of the foreign ministry, who heads the Brand Israel project.

But the idea that a campaign can achieve this is challenged by some.

"Branding per se is good for a country like the UK or Sweden or Australia ... they have no problems," said Rommey Hassman, lecturer at the Interdisciplinary Center in Herzliya.

"It's not good for countries who have conflicts ... who have an image problem. I don't think it's going to work."

Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 23 Apr, 2009 03:19 pm
@FreeDuck,
FreeDuck wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:

But so far as human shields go, the closest thing to re Israeli policy was the practice of sending a Palestinian into buildings where terrorists/combatants were suspected of hiding rather than have Israelis go in after them--the Palestinian was to ask the combatants to give themselves up. When the Israelis were ordered to stop doing that practice, they had no choice but to go in themselves, sometimes with tragic results. It was a no win situation.

Using Palestinian civilians in place of soldiers in a situations that can have "tragic results" for a soldier (one has to assume that it can be equally tragic for the civilian sent in in his stead) is exactly using that civilian as a human shield. If the police were raiding your neighbors house, and had reason to believe the occupants were armed in dangerous, and so decided to send you in instead so that they wouldn't get hurt, would that work for you?


It was less dangerous for the Palestinians than if the Israelis had to do it, and there was far less loss of innocent life. Nevertheless, when ordered to do so, by the Israelis, the soldiers stopped that practice.

Where is the order from the Palestinian leadership to stop using their own women and children as human shields?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 23 Apr, 2009 03:26 pm
@Foxfyre,
Foxie wrote:
Quote:

Where is the order from the Palestinian leadership to stop using their own women and children as human shields?


What a ridiculous idea. Do you really believe terrorists listen to any leaders but their own?
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Thu 23 Apr, 2009 04:39 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
It's up to you to provide the proof, or you are the liar here.


Excuse me, but you yourself have said in the past that people dont have to provide proof for their claims, and that its "trivial" to expect them to because everybody makes mistakes.

http://able2know.org/topic/71145-1224#post-3627348

Start with that post and read what you said.

So, why are you now applying a double standard?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 23 Apr, 2009 04:42 pm
@mysteryman,
What I actually said was: Re: mysteryman (Post 3627344):
Quote:

She doesn't have to respond to your stupid queries about "all, most, 50% or anything else" when you yourself exaggerate what other people say. Quit being such an ass. Most of us make that kind of mistake.[/quote]

mysteryman
 
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Reply Thu 23 Apr, 2009 04:49 pm
@cicerone imposter,
But you dont deny saying that she (or by extension anybody else),didnt have to back up their claims.
Because to us your words "Its trivial".
http://able2know.org/topic/71145-1224#post-3627356

So, is it trivial to be expected to back up your claims or isnt it?
And if it isnt, shouldnt everyone, including yourself, have to back up every claim they have ever made on a2k?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 23 Apr, 2009 04:58 pm
@mysteryman,
When you make a claim that can be supported by credible sources, yes. Otherwise, trivia is just trivia, and not worth the time or effort. Making errors in numbers by small amounts usually have no harm attached to them; exaggerations are a whole new ball of wax. If somebody says 50% of so and so represents xyz, it doesn't matter if its 51% or 49% especially in matters that are always in flux.

You are guilty of expecting people to prove trivia; a waste of everybody's time - especially in areas where most of us can make mistakes.

This is the last time I will try to explain this problem to you.
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Foofie
 
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Reply Thu 23 Apr, 2009 06:22 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Reuters reports that Israel's new government wants with a 'Brand Israel project' to change the impact made on ordinary people:
Quote:
"When people have a better understanding of who we are, then they understand our actions in Gaza better," said Ido Aharoni of the foreign ministry, who heads the Brand Israel project.

But the idea that a campaign can achieve this is challenged by some.

"Branding per se is good for a country like the UK or Sweden or Australia ... they have no problems," said Rommey Hassman, lecturer at the Interdisciplinary Center in Herzliya.

"It's not good for countries who have conflicts ... who have an image problem. I don't think it's going to work."




Reading this post it occurred to me how many fictional accounts of Jewish life in the U.S.A., in the early 20th century, have been written by American Jewish writers. I believe this did help make American Jews seem less different to other Americans. Now, I wonder why Israel has not produced its many fictional Israeli writers, focussing on life in Israel? Or, am I just not in tune with Israel's fiction? Anyway, does this lead one to think that American Jews are really quite different than their Israeli brethren? Perhaps, Israelis have a different focus in their arts?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 23 Apr, 2009 06:28 pm
@Foofie,
How can you say that when you perpetuate Israel's fiction?
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