@FreeDuck,
The Pal rocketing, etc., of Israel over three years started the war.
@Advocate,
"...any wars they initiate against another Arab country..." doesn't say they started a war. Where's the lie?
Also, where did I say "Israel killed (exterminated) hundreds of thousands of Pals?" Please show me which post I said such a thing? Please.
It's up to you to provide the proof, or you are the liar here.
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:
The Pal rocketing, etc., of Israel over three years started the war.
I thought you said a blockade was an act of war. Would not Israel's blockade of Gaza over three years ago suffice? Meaning Israel started that war?
@FreeDuck,
It's not only Gaza that Israel has blockaded. Many parts of Israel has fences and check points that Palestinians are restricted from.
It's too bad none of Israel's apologists will consent to living in a similar fashion in the US or anywhere else. They never learned to wear other people's shoes to understand their plight of living in an apartheid state.
@cicerone imposter,
If I'm not mistaken, CI, you've actually been there, have you not?
@FreeDuck,
Yes, and one of the best tour guides I've ever had the pleasure to have traveled with is Gilad Peled who lives in Jerusalem with his wife and baby. He was excellent in many ways including his knowledge, but the way he took care of us throughout our journey in Israel. That they even allowed us to have a discussion with a young Palestinian woman in the old city proved to me that they wanted us to hear both sides of the issues facing Israel.
The fences and check points disturbed me throughout the whole trip. Bethlehem has a very tall cement fence to keep the Palestinians inside. I really felt bad for them.
@cicerone imposter,
You effectively said that Israel started wars.
As for the other, you look it up. I don't work for you.
@FreeDuck,
My comment about the blockade referred to the '67 war, duh.
@Advocate,
I "effectively" said "when they initiate." That isn't "they initiated a war."
As for the rest, it's up to you to prove something you claim about me. If you can't, we can assume you lied.
@FreeDuck,
No! International law covers the type of blockade Egypt instituted.
@cicerone imposter,
It is so awful that Israel wishes to fence off suicide bombers, and similar. Good fences make good neighbors.
@cicerone imposter,
Advocate, Also in a criminal trial, the judge tells the jury that if you determine that the defendant lied once, you can assume they lied about other things they said.
You fit into that category now.
@FreeDuck,
I have been there, too. Israel had every right to build the fence, which has brought considerable peace to Israel.
@cicerone imposter,
Would you agree then that Israel has not initiated any wars?
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:
My comment about the blockade referred to the '67 war, duh.
Yes, I know. You called it an act of war. I took that assertion and applied it to the recent war in Gaza, which you also claim that Israel did not start, even though it instituted a blockade before the rocket attacks began.
@cicerone imposter,
Do you deny that you said that Israel killed hundreds of thousands of Pals?
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:
It is so awful that Israel wishes to fence off suicide bombers, and similar. Good fences make good neighbors.
If the fences are built on the property line.
@FreeDuck,
Untrue! The blockades begain after the rocketing and shelling by the Pals. Besides, those blockades are not referred to in international law.
The Pals, as usual, employ human shields.
JPost.com » Israel » Article
Apr 22, 2009 16:18 | Updated Apr 22, 2009 17:14
'Haniyeh hid in hospital during Gaza op'
By YAAKOV KATZ
Hamas Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh set up a command and control center inside Shifa Hospital in downtown Gaza City throughout Operation Cast Lead in January, the army announced Wednesday.
World IDF probes launched following the operation discovered that Haniyeh, as well as other senior Hamas commanders, took over a ward of the hospital and set up a command center for the duration of the operation.
Hamas believed that Israel would not target the hospital due to the high risk of collateral damage.
Guards were posted at the entrance to the ward and field commanders used to take advantage of the humanitarian corridor and cessation of action that the IDF instituted every day for several hours to enter the hospital and meet with senior Hamas officials to receive instructions.
Senior Hamas commanders also set up command centers in al-Shafa Hospital as well as in a Red Crescent clinic in Khan Yunis and used it as a detention center.
An IDF probe, conducted by Col. Erez Katz, focused on the targeting of health facilities, vehicles and medical teams. The probe discovered that out of seven medical personnel claimed to have been killed by the IDF, five were Hamas operatives, including one who was the nephew of the Hamas health minister. Two were civilians.
The probe also uncovered a number of cases during which ambulances were used by Hamas to transfer operatives. Testimony by a Palestinian medical worker and obtained by the IDF revealed how Hamas forced the Red Crescent to hand over medic and nurse uniforms for its operatives.
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:
Untrue! The blockades begain after the rocketing and shelling by the Pals. Besides, those blockades are not referred to in international law.
Here of course Advocate refers to the same arguments the Nazis used in walling up the Jews of Poland in the Warsaw ghetto.
