ISRAEL - IRAN - SYRIA - HAMAS - HEZBOLLAH - WWWIII?

So the Pope, the Secretary General of the United Nations, governments around the world, and people everywhere have no right to speak out because they constitute "World Opinion" and Prager has defined that as being weak vacillating and of course morally wrong.

Morally wrong to speak out their opinions? I don't think it's morally wrong to speak one's opinions. I think some opinions are based on immoral premises that are not intended by the one expressing the opinion. Are you as enamored of all opinions expressed by the Pope and Secretary General of the United Nations or just on matters regarding Israel?

What other rubbish does he come out with?

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Israel's unintentional killing of a few hundred Lebanese civilians

Unintentional? Sick. Israel launches the missiles and the bombs. Let the smart weapons decide. At Beziers the Crusaders were told by the Pope's representative "Kill them all. God will know his own". Now they send weapons of destruction. "Kill them all. The JBU26 will know civilians".

Do you really believe the relatively low number of civilians would have been killed in Lebanon is Israel was targeting civilians? Are you so naive to think Israel's firepower could not have leveled any one of those villages and everybody in them? And where is your moral outrage at the hundred and hundreds of Hezbollah rockets fired indiscriminately at Israeli citizens? I frankly am seeing no moral outrage whatsoever from your side on that. Your part of world opinion frankly seems very anti-Israel and even pro-Hezbollah at first blush. You can see why a country under fire is wise to ignore that kind of world opinion.


"A few hundred". And they were Lebanese anyway. Why thats not really killing at all is it? Just a handful of hundreds of sub humans, thats ok.

See previous statement. It is the fact that Israel has not targeted civilians but has rather targeted rocket launchers the terrorists intentionally place among the civilians that testifies both to Israel's accuracy and compassion for those civilians If Israel didn't care about those civilians there would be thousands dead by now. And there is no compassion for Israeli civilians killed and wounded who were nowhere near a military target? Yep 'world opinion' is sure even handed and impressive there alright.

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It is difficult to overstate the damage done to the world by television news.

And difficult to over estimate the mental decreptitude of someone making that statement.

I wonder if you, Revel, and the other anti-Israel folks on the thread would have a different outlook if the media had been angry at Hezbollah and had been printing condemnation of them day after day and had been showing the pictures of the destroyed rocket launchers nested in civilian neighborhoos etc?

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Jews don't burn down their critics' offices, issue fatwas or send death threats, let alone act on such threats.

I really wish this were true.

Can you cite any cases where Jews have fire boming offices of their critics, issued fatwas, or sent anybody a death threat? And let's deal with modern times, say the last 25 years or so, rather than dig into ancient history for our examples please. As I posted in a response to George several pages back, we cannot assign present day morality to what people once were. When it comes to right and wrong in national policy, it is the here and now that counts; not what once was.

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It is when "world opinion" and its news media start liking you that you should wonder if you've lost your way.

Prager's flaccid propaganda cannot mask the aggression being perpetrated in the name of oil and Israel.

I think any country at risk as much as Israel is would be absolutely insane to listen to the like of a Kofi Annan given his track record of ineffectiveness, impotence, and lack of resolve and his unveiled tolerance for terrorists and terrorist organizations. When you're the one being shot at again and again, I would think it would give you a different perspective on the situation.

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I think any country at risk as much as Israel is would be absolutely insane to listen to the like of a Kofi Annan given his track record of ineffectiveness, impotence, and lack of resolve and his unveiled tolerance for terrorists and terrorist organizations. When you're the one being shot at again and again, I would think it would give you a different perspective on the situation.

Since Steve referred to the "world opnion", which inlcudes beside the UN Secreatry General, the Pope and most other governments of the world besides the USA, the UK and Israel - does your judgement about Annan - "record of ineffectiveness, impotence, and lack of resolve and his unveiled tolerance for terrorists and terrorist organizations" - all the others who form a "world opinion" as well?

Wrong-doing doesn't justy wrong-doing.

But - following the news - you can stay calm: it will go for two more weeks, at least.

It would stop this minute if 'world opinon', especially the Arab part of it, condemned Hezbollah for its actions. I am very sure Israel will stand down the minute Hezbollah calls it quits.

Loving thy neighbor

By Adina Saperstein

As Jews who support Israel's existence and right to defend itself, it is time to think beyond debating the tactics employed in the past few weeks of conflict and to turn our attention to the prospects for restoring stability in Lebanon and the region. As vast sums of money are being raised by Jewish communities to help Israelis who have been displaced, injured or lost relatives to attacks by Hezbollah, as Jews, we also need to think both strategically and morally when addressing the humanitarian crisis resulting from the current invasion of Lebanon...

It takes forethought to end a war

By Nehemia Shtrasler

There was one moment during the war when we had the upper hand. It was the moment when Israel had succeeded in striking Hezbollah with strong and surprising force, Haifa was peaceful and the number of casualties was small. That was the right moment to stop the war, declare victory and move on to the diplomatic track.

This opportunity came when the G-8 convened on July 14, two days after the fighting broke out. The G-8 formulated a four-point plan, and nothing could have been better for Israel. According to that plan, the three Israeli soldiers abducted to Gaza and Lebanon would be return unharmed, the Katyusha fire against Israel would stop, Israel would halt its military operations and pull back its forces, and it would also release the Hamas ministers and parliament members...

I suppose we ought to note as well that while Israel did not fully observe the truce yesterday, Hezbollah sent no rockets into Israel.