@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:
I said
Quote:How about the Palestinians take the initiative here and insist that the bad guy doesn't place his missile launcher in the middle of his family and their neighbors? That would remove all civilians from any risk of Israeli attack whatsoever.
You said
Quote:You just commented on a Palestinian op-ed suggesting that he, the writer, who is clearly not a terrorist, should stop launching missiles at Israel if he wants to live a normal life.
Yes, I did. But I wasn't talking about your quoted passage above. I was talking about this one:
Foxfyre wrote:
Stop launching the rockets and there will be no fire from any firepower at all. Such a simple idea and so hard for some people to grasp.
Quote:Is that what I said. Really? That's what you got out of what I said?
Yes. It may not have been what you meant at this time, but your message has been abundantly clear in every debate. You pretty clearly believe that the Palestinian people are at fault for whatever befalls them and you make little effort to differentiate between militants and civilians. You show no concern for the humanitarian disaster that is Gaza and no interest in what could be going on in the lives of Palestinians that might be fueling this conflict. You feel excessive military action is justified because of fear felt by residents of Sderot, but cannot extend that thinking to deduce that Palestinians have been experiencing that fear to the 10th power for decades, and of course any violence by them is completely unacceptable.
Quote:You said
Quote:It is you who want to declare all Palestinians guilty of being terrorists in order to not have to feel the enormity of their plight and to absolve Israel of all responsibility in the situation.
I said all Palestinians are guilty of being terrorists? You read that in what I said? Perhaps you could stretch reeeeeeaally far and try to draw that conclusion from my comments today. Otherwise you're as bad as C.I. in accusing me of what I've said that I didn't say; what I think that I don't think; what I don't know that I know.
I said you want to, not that you do. I think you walk a fine line and are careful with your speech but that you espouse all the same logical arguments that more or less boil down to the fact that you believe all Palestinians are legitimate targets. And I'll repeat that you ignore the enormity of their plight and are blind to the connection between that and the violence.
For someone who clearly has a great interest in this issue and apparently reads a lot about the situation there, how is it that you don't know to what extent Israel controls the lives and movement of the Palestinians? How do you not know that the "security wall" is/was being built on Palestinian land, the effects of the settlements on any possibility of a future Palestinian state, and that Israel regularly demolishes houses of and refuses to issue building permits for Palestinians? I ask these questions but I know the answer.
I posted one op-ed from a Palestinian that wasn't even that controversial in terms of the positions taken. Maybe you could look into what he's saying before reflexively attacking it. He's not a Hamas leader, he's just a Palestinian Human. Perhaps he has a legitimate perspective that you should consider.
And as for the argument that those of us who argue for the Palestinian people are somehow supporting terrorists -- well, what utter bullshit. The fact of the matter is that my tax money goes toward building weapons for Israel that they use to kill Palestinians. It also goes for untold amounts of foreign aid, some of which, for all I know, could be used to build settlements that establish "facts on the ground" designed to prevent a Palestinian state ever. Because of this, I care a great deal about what goes on there and would like to see justice served, and I don't think it's in our interest to blindly accept everything Israel does as right and just. It clearly isn't.
