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georgeob1
 
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Reply Wed 11 Feb, 2009 07:57 am
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:

Funny, if one wishes to defend his or her country, the person is a war mongerer. It is all so stupid.


Does this principle apply as well to Palestinians?
Foofie
 
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Reply Wed 11 Feb, 2009 08:56 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

I don't think general interest for international politics is really a motivation for such.


Obviously you cannot make aliyah.

In my opinion, for a country as big as New Jersey it is odd that there has been such a world-wide interest, even before the Palestinean situation worsened in 1967. If Arab oil was not in the Middle East, I wonder to what degree there would be a continuing interest in the Israel/Palestinean/Arab conundrum?

Needless to say, many Jews throughout the world have an interest in Israel's politics, since Israel's existence, in my opinion, assuages on an emotional level, to some degree, two-thousand years of persecution in the Diaspora. But, all this interest by non-Jewish westerners? I cannot help but think that the media interest, reflects a degree of self-serving national interest, in context of Arab oil. And, the media interest is reflected in many people's interest, since we tend to be interested in what the media feeds us.

However, in addition to the generic westerner, many Germans might too have something to assuage regarding Jews surviving in a less than friendly Middle East?

Since, you cannot hear the tone of my voice, there is no sarcasm in it. I am just being bluntly honest with my opinion.
Foofie
 
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Reply Wed 11 Feb, 2009 09:03 am
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:

Advocate wrote:

Funny, if one wishes to defend his or her country, the person is a war mongerer. It is all so stupid.


Does this principle apply as well to Palestinians?


And when did Palestineans have a legitimate country? In my opinion, Palestineans are in there own self-made Diaspora, since no Roman armies dispersed them (they left on bad advice).
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 11 Feb, 2009 09:42 am
@Foofie,
Foofie wrote:

In my opinion, for a country as big as New Jersey it is odd that there has been such a world-wide interest, even before the Palestinean situation worsened in 1967. If Arab oil was not in the Middle East, I wonder to what degree there would be a continuing interest in the Israel/Palestinean/Arab conundrum?

Needless to say, many Jews throughout the world have an interest in Israel's politics, since Israel's existence, in my opinion, assuages on an emotional level, to some degree, two-thousand years of persecution in the Diaspora. But, all this interest by non-Jewish westerners? I cannot help but think that the media interest, reflects a degree of self-serving national interest, in context of Arab oil. And, the media interest is reflected in many people's interest, since we tend to be interested in what the media feeds us.

However, in addition to the generic westerner, many Germans might too have something to assuage regarding Jews surviving in a less than friendly Middle East?

Since, you cannot hear the tone of my voice, there is no sarcasm in it. I am just being bluntly honest with my opinion.


As said: general interest in international politics. And, if you believe it or not, I'm even more interested in the politics of countries which are European and European neighbours.

(And - without sarcasm - the seize of a country doesn't matter; but I admit that I'm less interested in the politics of provinces or states.)
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McTag
 
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Reply Wed 11 Feb, 2009 09:50 am
@Foofie,

Quote:
And when did Palestineans have a legitimate country?


As I recall it, the UN resolution which granted right of residence to Jewish immigrants was for there to be "...a home for the Jews in Palestine"

So whether you (and others) recognise the existence of a place called Palestine and the rights of its people or not, they were recognised by that fateful decision of the UN in 1947.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 11 Feb, 2009 12:20 pm
@genoves,
Genoves,
Thank you for your heads-up truthful posts. Please keep them coming.

I recommend we both ignore the slanderous bigotry of the MALs (i.e., Modern American Liberals) except that we recognize it as MAL technique for conceding the truth of our posts.
genoves
 
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Reply Wed 11 Feb, 2009 12:34 pm
@ican711nm,
Ican- As you no doubt have noticed, Walter Hintler is frightened that Mrs. Livni's Kadima party will not have enough support from other parties to have Peres name a Prime Minister from her party. Lieberman's party, a right wing group, has enough seats, when joined to Netanyahu's seats to make it practicall impossible for Peres to ignore Netanyahu. The Socialists have lost big time.

Walter apparently fears that Netanyahu will kick Hamas butt. As you may have noticed, even Amnesty International has identifed Hamas as a bunch of murdering fanatical goons who kill their own people.

JTT
 
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Reply Wed 11 Feb, 2009 12:40 pm
@georgeob1,
It's surprising to see, George, [though certainly not unwelcome] that within you is contained a certain measure of morality.
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genoves
 
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Reply Wed 11 Feb, 2009 12:44 pm
@ican711nm,
ell, ican, the Socialist leftists in Israel certainly got their butts kicked. This may be the start of a world-wde trend.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 11 Feb, 2009 12:46 pm
@genoves,
I'm neither frightened nor do I fear what you insinuated.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 11 Feb, 2009 01:02 pm
@McTag,
McT, You're wasting your time; pro-Jews think that land was given by god to them, and nothing in between then and now is important. They would just like to ignore all the changes in lands and countries for the past century.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 11 Feb, 2009 02:22 pm
@cicerone imposter,
The British gave Palestine to the UN not to the Jews. The UN gave some of Palestine to the Jews and some to the Arabs.

To the best of my knowledge, God had nothing to do with it.

REPEATING THE TRUTH IS JUSTIFIED ONE MORE TIME THAN THE TRUTH IS REJECTED

Some claim the Palestinian territory was originally stolen from the Arabs. But that same land, was previously stolen by the Jews from non-Arabs more than two-thousand years ago. That same land was subsequently stolen from the Jews in the first century A.D. by the Romans. The Arabs stole that same land in the 7th century from previous stealers of Palestine, and it was in turn stolen from the Arabs in the 11th century by Europeans. Since then lots of folks have stolen that same land. However, that land never again was stolen back by the Arabs or by the Jews.

In the 20th century (i.e., 1947) the British, who were the last to steal Palestinian land--they stole it in 1920--gave it to the UN for the UN to figure out who should be given it next. The UN decided to give some of it back to the Arabs and some of it back to the Jews.

The Arabs tried in 1948 to steal what was previously given to the Jews by the UN"after the UN was delegated to do that by the British. That Arab effort failed at the price of the Jews stealing some of that land previously given to the Arabs by the UN.

Subsequently, the Arabs have tried repeatedly to steal back that land stolen from them by the Jews plus that land given the Jews by the UN. The Arabs have failed each time they tried and had more of the land given them by the UN stolen from them as a result.

Come on you Arabs, stop trying to steal land from the Jews before you don't have any left of your own to be stolen. It's simple! All you Arabs have to do to get my support to be given back what was stolen from what the UN gave you, is grant Israel's right to exist in the territory the UN gave Israel, and simultaneously stop trying to steal more than what the UN gave you!

If any nation A were attacked by another nation B, it sure would be prudent for the attacked nation A to counter attack and to defeat the attacking nation B before the attacking nation B grows able to conquer the attacked nation A.

Why the Israelis don't conquer all of Palestine after the Arabs have persisted all this time since 1948 in their efforts to conquer Israel, is inexplicable to me. Under the current circumstances in Palestine, the Arab civilians in Palestine would be much better off if Israel ruled all of Palestine. Then they would be getting Israel's help directly without continuing to endure Israel's flawed defense actions and inadvertent civilian killing invasions to rid the terrorists from Arab neighborhoods.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 11 Feb, 2009 02:25 pm
@ican711nm,
ican, This is what you wrote in a former post of yours:
Quote:
Some claim the Palestinian territory was originally stolen from the Arabs. But that same land, was previously stolen by the Jews from non-Arabs more than two-thousand years ago.


Quit contradicting yourself. You're talking about land during the time of jesus, aren't you? And I'm more than sure pro-Israeli's have made the claim about god's gift to the Jews some place on this thread.
Advocate
 
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Reply Wed 11 Feb, 2009 02:59 pm
@McTag,
But the Pals rejected the division of Palestine. Israel didn't, and quickly formed a state. The Pals never formed a state, so no such state exists.
mysteryman
 
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Reply Wed 11 Feb, 2009 04:52 pm
@cicerone imposter,
But just a few posts ago you stated as a fact that the claim was made...

Quote:
pro-Jews think that land was given by god to them

Now you say ...

Quote:
And I'm more than sure pro-Israeli's have made the claim about god's gift to the Jews some place on this thread.


So, to use your own standards, show us those posts.
You made a claim, now do what you demand others do and back that claim up.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 11 Feb, 2009 04:57 pm
@mysteryman,
I said "I'm more than sure..." I'm not going on a witch hunt to satisfy your inference no such statements were made.
mysteryman
 
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Reply Wed 11 Feb, 2009 07:17 pm
@cicerone imposter,
So in other words, you refuse to hold yourself to the same standard you demand from everyone else?
Foofie
 
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Reply Wed 11 Feb, 2009 07:47 pm
@McTag,
McTag wrote:


Quote:
And when did Palestineans have a legitimate country?


As I recall it, the UN resolution which granted right of residence to Jewish immigrants was for there to be "...a home for the Jews in Palestine"

So whether you (and others) recognise the existence of a place called Palestine and the rights of its people or not, they were recognised by that fateful decision of the UN in 1947.


Like there is an independent Wales and Scotland, I would think, Holmes.
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Foofie
 
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Reply Wed 11 Feb, 2009 07:51 pm
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:

But the Pals rejected the division of Palestine. Israel didn't, and quickly formed a state. The Pals never formed a state, so no such state exists.


Palestineans are in Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Gaza, West Bank, and around the world. Palestineans are in a Diaspora.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 11 Feb, 2009 08:57 pm
@Foofie,
So, we have in the US, Jews, Palestinians, and more than 150 different cultures here. What's your point?
 

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