ISRAEL - IRAN - SYRIA - HAMAS - HEZBOLLAH - WWWIII?

"Humble?" LOL

I am surprised at Cyclops's Anti-Semitism.. Cyclops either works at or worked at Berkeley. I am sure that there are many Jewish professors at Berkeley. It may be that one of them deep sixed Cyclops' thesis when Cyclops used terms t describe individuals and countries like--"asshole" and"cancer". Not good for a degree candidate to write like that!

Cicerone Imposter,on the other hand may be an Anti-semite because when the sainted FDR, the idol of all DEMOCRATS, put Asians into Concentration camps in California during World War II--people who were good citizens--Cicerone Imposter may have had a Jewish overseer.

People don't get over things like that very easily!!

On page 26 of today's (London) Evening News (second edition), the paper carries a news article on the Israeli elections.



Polling stations will stay open until 22:00h local time (20:00 GMT/UTC), first results aren't expected before midnight.

Here's what I recommended the Arabs do:
Come on you Arabs, stop trying to steal land from the Jews before you don't have any left of your own to be stolen. It's simple! All you Arabs have to do to get my support to be given back what was stolen from what the UN gave you, is grant Israel's right to exist in the territory the UN gave Israel, and simultaneously stop trying to steal more than what the UN gave you!


Inferred and suggested??? It must be declared explicitly and unambiguously by the Arabs.

The Arabs in Gaza and elsewhere in Palestine are responsible for establishing their own democratic/representative republic. The Arabs in Gaza are responsible for policing themselves to minimize the number of their residents who shoot at Israel. Failure to adequately police themselves makes them all responsible for some of their members shooting at Israel.

If they need help accomplishing this self-policing, then all they have to do to get that help is:
(1) stop trying to steal more land than what the UN gave them;
(2) explicitly announce Israel's right to exist in the territory the UN gave Israel;
(3) request the help they need from Israel, the UN, and/or America.

ican, You have everything in reverse; you fail to understand past and current history. It's useless trying to discuss this issue with an ignoramus like you!

Funny, if one wishes to defend his or her country, the person is a war mongerer. It is all so stupid.

The ruling Kadima party of Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni could score a narrow, upset victory in Tuesday's Israeli elections, three separate exit polls on Israel's television news channels predicted.

Exit polls by Channel 10 and the state-run Channel 1 both gave 30 seats to the centrist Kadima and 28 to the hardline Likud party of former premier Benjamin Netanyahu, despite the latter's having led in opinion polls virtually throughout the entire campaign.

A third poll by Channel 2 also gave Kadima a two-seat lead, but with only 29 mandates for it compared to 27 for the Likud.

So when are you making Aliyah?

Some claim the Palestinian territory was originally stolen from the Arabs. But that same land, was previously stolen by the Jews from non-Arabs more than two-thousand years ago. That same land was subsequently stolen from the Jews in the first century A.D. by the Romans. The Arabs stole that same land in the 7th century, and it was in turn stolen from the Arabs in the 11th century. Since then lots of folks have stolen that same land. However, that land never again was stolen back by the Arabs or by the Jews.

In the 20th century (i.e., 1947) the British, who were the last to steal Palestinian land--they stole it in 1920--gave it to the UN for the UN to figure out who should be given it next. The UN decided to give some of it back to the Arabs and some of it back to the Jews.

The Arabs tried in 1948 to steal what was previously given to the Jews by the UN"after the UN was delegated to do that by the British. That Arab effort failed at the price of the Jews stealing some of that land previously given to the Arabs by the UN. Subsequently, the Arabs have tried repeatedly to steal back that land stolen from them by the Jews plus that land given the Jews by the UN. The Arabs have failed each time they tried and had more of the land given them by the UN stolen from them as a result.

Come on you Arabs, stop trying to steal land from the Jews before you don't have any left of your own to be stolen. It's simple! All you Arabs have to do to get my support to be given back what was stolen from what the UN gave you, is grant Israel's right to exist in the territory the UN gave Israel, and simultaneously stop trying to steal more than what the UN gave you!

If any nation A were attacked by another nation B, it sure would be prudent for the attacked nation A to counter attack and to defeat the attacking nation B before the attacking nation B grows able to conquer the attacked nation A.

Why the Israelis don't conquer all of Palestine after the Arabs have persisted all this time since 1948 in their efforts to conquer Israel, is inexplicable to me. Under the current circumstances in Palestine, the Arab civilians in Palestine would be much better off if Israel ruled all of Palestine. Then they would be getting Israel's help directly without continuing to endure Israel's flawed inadvertent civilian killing invasions to rid the terrorists from Arab neighborhoods.

ican, You are a real ignoramus. You must come and live in the present period; that's what the world acknowledges in terms of countries and their governments. We now have international agreements through several international organizations including the UN and the Geneva Convention.

You can't rewrite history.

I don't think general interest for international politics is really a motivation for such.

I do hope that Walter Hinteler knows that "

l. The right wing has been victorious in Isreal.

2. That the Socialist Party has been rendered impotent

3. That Benjamin Netanyahu will be the new Prime Minister. He will, I am sure,teach Hamas not to hurl missles at Israel.

News Middle East

Israel moves to the right


By Alex Sehmer in Jerusalem



Benyamin Netanyahu, the leader of Likud, could become prime minister [AFP]
Exit polls suggest Tzipi Livni, the foreign minister and leader of the Kadima party, has narrowly won Israel's closely fought election race, but the country's political battle is set to continue as negotiations to form a ruling coalition get under way.

Israeli television polls said Kadima had won the biggest number of parliamentary seats with Likud slightly behind, but as observers had predicted, the Israeli political scene moved to the right in this election.

It was the right-wing bloc that won the most seats and Avigdor Lieberman, the leader of Yisrael Beiteinu, made the biggest gains though not as big as had been expected.

Despite Livni's projected win, supporters in the election headquarters of the opposition Likud party erupted into cheers of "Bibi! Bibi!" believing that their leader, Benyamin Netanyahu, will be the next prime minister.

Under the Israeli electoral system, once the results are in, Shimon Peres, the president, will ask the person deemed most likely to be able to cobble together a coalition, to form a government.

That could be Netanyahu.

In depth

Al Jazeera's coverage of Israel's elections

"Lieberman, Shas and the religious parties, with them we've got the makings of a coalition," Danny Danon, a Likud Knesset candidate, told Al Jazeera.

Shas has already voiced its support for Netanyahu and Likud is selling the prospective coalition as highly representative of the country's social spectrum.

"Netanyahu recognises the need to have a wide-based coalition in order to have the whole country behind us," Gideon Ariel, a Likud central committee member, told Al Jazeera.

Political wrangling

But Livni's camp, too, has insisted that it can put together a coalition and lead it as Israel's second female prime minister.


Exit polls indicate Lieberman's Yisrael Beiteinu party came in third in the race [AFP]
"She will put a government together; she will do it quickly - a national unity government with the Likud and Labor and every other party that will accept the basic principle of a change in the system of governance," Eyal Arad, Livni's campaign PR director, said on Israel's Channel 10.

A coalition deal could take weeks to hammer out.

A presidential directive gives the chosen party 28 days to form a coalition, a period which can then be extended by up to 14 days.

Throughout the elections, many Israelis complained that the main candidates were all essentially offering the same policies.

Regardless of a ruling coalition's makeup, that may well be true in terms of reaching a peace deal with the Palestinians.

"From the Israeli point of view " from Likud, but also from Kadima " there has to be a unified leadership on the Palestinian side," Michael Lawrence, an Israeli political analyst, told Al Jazeera.

"Because of the violence, because of the Gaza war - where Israel responded to Qassam rocket fire - diplomacy has been put on the back burner," he said.

In terms of peace, Livni has said she wants to continue with the struggling Annapolis talks, initiated by the former US administration under George Bush.

Netanyahu's Likud party, on the other hand, has portrayed itself as deeply concerned about Israel's security and unwilling to concede more land to the Palestinians for peace.

But this election was never really fought on the issue of peace, it was fought on the issue of security, an issue brought into sharp focus by Israel's 22-day war on Gaza, in which more than 1,300 Palestinians were killed.

"Even before the war, the elections, the candidates weren't talking about healthcare, economic or social issues. I think that's the case with Israeli elections," Gill Hoffman, the chief correspondent for the Jerusalem Post newspaper, told Al Jazeera.

"The fact is Israelis vote on war and peace."

Arabs sceptical

The Arab media has generally been clear that this election was all about the Israeli right-wing, and that the real winner would be Lieberman and Yisrael Beiteinu.


Israel's right-wing bloc made the biggest gains and won the most seats [AFP]
The exit polls showed Lieberman's party with about 14 or 15 seats, which would make it the third biggest party in the Knesset and therefore kingmaker.

Lieberman won fewer seats than he had expected, but he could be wooed by either side to help form a government and perhaps offered a high profile appointment.

Before the elections began on Tuesday, the headline of the Arabic newspaper Asharq Al-Awsat read: "Elections in Israel: Between Right and extreme Right."

The conflict with the Palestinians aside, Israel's new government will have several domestic issues to struggle with, including the country’s slowing economy and a chronic water shortage brought about by increasing domestic consumption and four years of relative drought.

If Lieberman does make it into a coalition he is very likely to press his controversial citizenship policy, which seeks to compel Palestinian-Israelis to swear allegiance to Israel and perform military service in return for citizenship.

The left wing on these threads almost always criticize Israel. Looking back on these threads, I find that the left almost never criticizes Amnesty International. Amnesty is viewed by many as a left wing organization.

Well, Amnesty nailed Hamas right between the eyes and finally showed what a bunch of murdereous, fanatical morons.
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Amnesty International Criticizes Hamas for Murdering and Maiming Opponents
Middle East | Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 12:30:01 pm PST

Amnesty International must have felt the heat of public opinion after their ludicrous statement that they ignore Hamas war crimes because they’re so obvious; today they issued a report that, oddly enough, accuses Hamas of eliminating opponents.

Is it a genuine change of direction, or an attempt to preempt criticism? Amnesty International has consistently been one of the most radical anti-Israel NGOs, so it’s a little too early to call out the flying pig. But there does seem to be a trend lately among these groups to notice reality.

GENEVA (AFP) " Amnesty International on Tuesday accused Hamas of waging a campaign to kill or maim scores of Palestinian opponents in the Gaza Strip since the end of December.

The human rights group said in a report that at least two dozen men have been shot dead by gunmen from the Palestinian militia that governs the Gaza Strip since December 27. “Scores of others have been shot in the legs, knee-capped or inflicted with other injuries intended to cause severe disability, subjected to severe beatings ... or otherwise tortured or ill-treated,” it added.

“Hamas forces and militias in the Gaza Strip have engaged in a campaign of abductions, deliberate and unlawful killings, torture and death threats against those they accuse of ‘collaborating’ with Israel, as well as opponents and critics,” the report said.
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I am sure that left wingers like Cycloptichorn and Nimh will have no comment about the judgment of Amnesty. I goes directly against their line that Hamas is the organization of peace lovers who are only protecting their families..

Ican--I hope you noticed that your excellent information was replied to by CIcerone Imposter, who did not rebut a single item of your post. You must forgive him, however. He has great trouble posting more than two lines!

You must have better information than those published in Israel.

Thanks for the infos, I really didn't know all that.

(You are Simon Peres, correct?)

Ican- I am sure that you know which two middle eastern countries are the only ones to allow Arabs to vote in a Democracy:

Yes-- Israel and Iraq. The left wing either does not know or will not admit that 18% of the voters in Israel's election are Israeli Arabs.

If all Israeli Arabs had voted and were to vote as a solid bloc, the 390,000 Arab voters could in theory elect 12 or 13 representatives to Israel's 120-member Parliament.

I do hope that you read the addendum that I had at the bottom of my post. However, you are just blowing smoke. In a couple of days, when Netanyahu is appointed as Prime Minister, I will remind you.

Why don't you go to review today's news? This evening's news? See what they say about the probable new priome minister. Peres can count. He knows that the majority of the seats belong to the center and right. He knows that the left has been shut out. You are a scholar, are you not? Read the news reports and then tell me that Netanyahu will NOT be the next Prime Minister and WHY!!

With 99 percent of the votes counted, Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni's Kadima Party is in first place with 28 of the Knesset's 120 seats, with Benjamin Netanyahu's Likud Party following closely behind with 27 seats.

You don't know how to read, do you, Walter? Let me give you a hint. The center and right wing parties have been triumphant. Nethanyahu will be the next prime minister,,Don't make yourself look foolish by denying this since I will remind you when it happens.