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Right, Walter! Those Pal Israelis are treated just terribly.

I wonder whether any country in history, engaged in war, was as careful as was Israel to avoid killing innocents. I doubt it.

innocent civilians" justified
Zionism or barbarism: Israeli strategist says "large number of killed innocent civilians" justified
Wednesday, 21 May 2008 11:11

A leading Israeli academic who served on Israel's commission of inquiry into its defeat by Hezbollah in 2006 argues the need for mass killing of innocent civilians to ensure the survival of the State.

When Survival of the Jewish People Is at Stake, There’s No Place for Morals
From Forward, Thu. May 15, 2008, by Yeh

"Clear external and internal dangers threaten the very existence of Israel as a Jewish state.

* the threat of a disastrous conflict with Islamist actors such as Iran
* assimilation

[T]he State of Israel...is endangered...This...requires measures that would be...immoral in other circumstances.

(...There are, of course, limits; nothing can justify initiating genocide. [but] assuring the existence of ...a Jewish State of Israel, should be valued as a top priority.)

...Jewish leaders and organizations should support Turkey and China...

...the use of weapons of mass destruction by Israel would be justified,...large number of killed innocent civilians notwithstanding.

...violating the rights of others should be accepted.

[Defence of Israel] should be given priority over other concerns...ncluding liberal and humanitarian values, support for human rights and democratization.

Yehezkel Dror, is a professor emeritus of political science at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. A recipient of the Israel Prize.
The above is extracted from his article in the US Jewish Daily, Forward May 21, 2008

Sounds like the Bush doctrine.

Yeah, and the same people who support the Israelis also supported Bush. They just forgot the difference between self defense and humanity.

Israel is the most humane of all countries. I defy you to name another country that, in a war, treated civilians more humanely.

The statement that Hezbollah won is ridiculous. Israel suffered a tiny fraction of Hezbollah killed. Billions in damage were inflicted on Lebanon. Hezbollah, following the war, has made no significant attacks on Israel.

Advocate. I am sure that Cicerone Imposter has never been to the Middle East.
He knows nothing about the real situation except what he reads in the left wing manuals.

You are absolutely correct. No country, not even the USA, has treated civilians more humanly in wartime than Israel.

CIcerone Imposter has forgotten a key point. The Nazis murdered millions of Jews in World War II. Israel has vowed--NEVER AGAIN!!!!

genoves, I'll bet you a million dollars I've been to more Middle East Countries than over 80 percent of Americans.

BTW, I've also been to Israel.

I am happy that you haev been to Israel, Cicerone. If you have, then why didn't you learn that, as Advocate said, the Israelis have done more to limit casualties of civilians in wartime than any other country. You did learn, I hope, that the murderous fanatic Muslims regularly blew themselves and other innocents in Israeli buses and nightclubs to kingdom come.

As I have said before. The Jews in Europe hoped that the Nazis were not taking them to extermination camps. They were wrong. The Israelis say-NEVER AGAIN!!

I'm not sure about the generality of that, but on our TV news last night there were reports, backed up by film and interviews, that Israeli soldiers last week were shooting unarmed Palestinians, including children, at close range and in cold blood.

If you read in the British papers you will find descriptions of phosphorus wounds on civilians, inflicted by Israeli shells. There will be an investigation.

Well, that will certainly call for a full scale investigation, won't it. However, please inform me about the UN investigations into the fanatic human bombs which boarded Israeli buses and went into Israeli restaurants in order to MURDER--not during a war--but inside a country in which there was no war.

Was there an investigation? I must have missed it!

This is Ican with a twist.... an uber-Ican.

Another thread ruined.

That will call for an investigation, of course. I am hoping to see the full story in tomorrow's newspapers--especially pictures of the phosphorous wounds on civilians inflicted by Israeli shells. I will be looking for footage on the tube showing Israeli soldiers malevolently shooting unarmed innocent civilians including CHILDREN.

But, most of the media is so biased in favor of the Israelis in the USA. Even the New York Times and the Washington Post do not do their duty to report the truth.

Thank God for the left wing Press in England. At least they report without bias.

The so-called "left-wing press in England" (the mainstream press in the UK) report fact and can back it up, and distinguish between fact and opinion. My usual paper (the Guardian) frequently has right-wing guest writers.
Likewise, the BBC is known for accurate reporting.

Irony sometimes misses its mark on these threads.

A Gaza surgeon was slightly injured when a phosphorus fragment exploded out of the chest of a patient he was treating, I read yesterday.

The reason, I believe, that many countries chose not to open their doors to Jewish immigration prior to WWII was due to the anti-Semitism in the respective country's society. I am talking about the late 1930's. This is a commonly accepted interpretation of the reason for countries not accepting Germany's Jews en masse, I believe.

I do not understand the point made above. I also do not know of current world leaders of the Jewish faith, other than Israel. Do tell.

If you're talking about the 30s, it's not only the Jews who were discriminated against. Learn your history.

Your statements remind me of the battle of Jenin. During and after the battle, the Pals claimed there were Israeli massacres, and even dug up graves to make it appear that there were more victims. The truth, which came out, was that there was no massacre, and that the Israelis killed a relatively small number of Pals during battle.

Never mind any one battle. Here are the statistics on fatalities since 2000 in Israel. Please note the fatalities of children.

http://www.btselem.org/English/Statistics/Casualties.asp

You dont understand. Its perfectly ok for the state of Israel to kill thousands of pals because the german state of 1940's tried to kill all the jews in germany so the government of that time could steal thier land and wealth. By the way many christians were also offed by that government but of course that dosent count. Someone must pay for the parnoia of the Isralie state and the pals make a good targett because not only do the Isralies get revenge for the hollicoust but also gain land and wealth. My god man, dont you recognoize justice when you see it.

Then all the Jews of Israel makes a mockery of all the "Holocaust" museums around the globe.

Your irony is really silly. What other country would take three years of rockets and shells without attacking those firing them? As in all its wars, the Israeli attack was defensive (to stop the rockets and shells, etc.). Your crap doesn't pass the straight-face test.