ISRAEL - IRAN - SYRIA - HAMAS - HEZBOLLAH - WWWIII?

Israel has repeatedly said that Gaza can have a cease fire by just stopping their rocketing and shelling of Israel. The response has always been more rockets and shells. Yeah, there have been a couple of cease fires when Hamas could not stand Israel's retaliation, but Hamas soon resumes the rocketing and shelling.

Hamas has hinted that there could be peace, but adds terms that would effectively destroy Israel. For instance, Hamas insists on a precondition full "right of return," which means that ALL Pals, not just the ones who deserted Israel in 1948, could move to Israel. This is, of course, a nonstarter.

Once again, I think that peace will be achieved only after Israel hits the Pals so hard that the latter finally realizes that the only reasonable alternative is a valid peace agreement with Israel.

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Advocate, sure. Kill em all and let G-D sort em out. I think I'll stick with Rabbi Froman.

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Lets face it bf, you wont be happy until Israel totally surrenders its right to self defense.
If you had your way, you would prefer to see Hamas, Hezbollah, and other terror groups shooting their rockets and sending their suicide bombers into Israel, killing as many as possible, without Israel ever doing anything to defend themselves.

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mysteryman, let's face it all you got is Swift Boating and soundbites. I'll stick to more sensible minds that you choose to ignore. http://www.israelenews.com/view.asp?ID=1582

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MM is swiftboating? After all the crap you've posted re Israel, Netanyahu, etc. etc. the last couple of days, Blueflame? And when it is rebutted you ignore it and come up with something else equally as absurd? My definition of 'swiftboating' is stating something as fact that cannot be supported by any credible source or by reason or by logic in order to smear or falsely accuse something or somebody.

I have seen no evidence that MM has done any of that.

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blueflame1 wrote:

mysteryman, let's face it all you got is Swift Boating and soundbites. I'll stick to more sensible minds that you choose to ignore. http://www.israelenews.com/view.asp?ID=1582

I have never said Israel is blameless, nor have I ever sid that the Palestinians dont have some legitimate complaints.
And I will give you $100 if you can find even 1 post from me that says Israel is blameless.

Go ahead and look, I'll wait.....

BUT, that does not mean that the Palestinians are blameless either.
They have used groups like hamas and hezbollah to spread terror throughout Israel, they have attacked innocent tourists, they have killed innocent children, they have used rockets and suicide bombers to terrorize Israel, they have even attacked and wiped out the Israeli Olympic team.

So tell us all, does Israel have the right to defend itself from these attacks?

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Foxfyre, what I come up with is a Jewish perspective that is in opposition to the one you embrace. I guess you hang with "true" Jews while I hang with them self-hating Jews. As for mysteryman's Swift Boating he says, "you wont be happy until Israel totally surrenders its right to self defense." That certainly is petty compared with the insightful and brilliantly written article I posted, "Israel, human rights and the silence of [most] American Jews". You stick with your little minds and I'll stick with the likes of Dan Fleshler.

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blueflame1 wrote:

Foxfyre, what I come up with is a Jewish perspective that is in opposition to the one you embrace. I guess you hang with "true" Jews while I hang with them self-hating Jews. As for mysteryman's Swift Boating he says, "you wont be happy until Israel totally surrenders its right to self defense." That certainly is petty compared with the insightful and brilliantly written article I posted, "Israel, human rights and the silence of [most] American Jews". You stick with your little minds and I'll stick with the likes of Dan Fleshler.

So,an OPINION of you is now "swiftboating"?
Then I will admit to "swiftboating" you because my opinion of you as a person cant be written on a public forum.

But lets just say you are something I normally scrape off the bottom of my shoe.
Is that "swiftboating" enough for you?

BTW, you still didnt meet my challenge to find even 1 post of mine where I said Israel was blameless.

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mysteryman, Palestinians have as much right to defend themselves as do Israelis. I suggest you read what Dan Fleshler has to say. I agree with his entire evenhanded article and have said the same things many times in response to your Swift Boating soundbites. I've made it clear that I support a 2 state solution but you still continue insinuating that I "wont be happy until Israel totally surrenders its right to self defense." That's the argument of a soul with no substance to argue with.

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blueflame1 wrote:

mysteryman, Palestinians have as much right to defend themselves as do Israelis. I suggest you read what Dan Fleshler has to say. I agree with his entire evenhanded article and have said the same things many times in response to your Swift Boating soundbites. I've made it clear that I support a 2 state solution but you still continue insinuating that I "wont be happy until Israel totally surrenders its right to self defense." That's the argument of a soul with no substance to argue with.

A 2 state solution?

OK, lets examine that.
If Israel gives the Palestinians their own state, what then?
Would Israel be obligated to continue to supply that state with electric power and with fuel?
Would Israel then be allowed to totally close its borders to any Palestinians wanting to enter Israel?
Would Israel be allowed to block all roads leading into Israel?
Would Israel then be allowed to use its military to retaliate against ANY rocket or terrorist attack that originated from that Palestinian state?
Would Israel be obligated to recognize and have diplomatic relations with the Palestinian state?

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The interesting thing is that Israel will go to great lengths for peace. Unfortunately, the Pals and their supporters (such as Blue, CI, George, et al.) effectively support the destruction of Israel. This is, of course, a bit too much for Israel to swallow.

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Advocate, soundbites is all you got there. History shows what great lengths Israel will go to to prevent real negotiations as proven by Rabbi Froman and Shin Bet's reaction to his endeavers for peace. And a bullet in Rabin's back proves what happens to an Israeli leader who is willing to trade land for peace. Stick to your kill em all and let G-D sort em out mentality.

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blueflame1 wrote:

Advocate, soundbites is all you got there. History shows what great lengths Israel will go to to prevent real negotiations as proven by Rabbi Froman and Shin Bet's reaction to his endeavers for peace. And a bullet in Rabin's back proves what happens to an Israeli leader who is willing to trade land for peace. Stick to your kill em all and let G-D sort em out mentality.

Whats wrong bf, you didnt answer my questions.

Are you afraid to answer them?

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mysteryman, I've answered your silly questions hundreds of times. Scared to admit it are you? Of course you are. Keep chasing that tail dawg.

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blueflame1 wrote:

mysteryman, I've answered your silly questions hundreds of times. Scared to admit it are you? Of course you are. Keep chasing that tail dawg.

If you have answered them, then it should be no problem for you to post even 1 link to where you have answered them.

You have always sidestepped the questions, you have never answered them.

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mysteryman, keep chasing that tail. It's easier than reading Dan Fleshler, Uri Avnery or Rabbi Froman or any of the other great Jewish minds who agree with what I say. By ignoring them you get to pretend I'm the guy who just wants to destroy Israel. We are 2 shlocky guys on the internet and it's easy for you to survive by hit and run soundbite. But only if you ignore the substance of articles like "Israel, human rights and the silence of [most] American Jews". All your silly questions are answered there but you dont want answers any more than the current leaders of Israel or America want a 2 state solution. When I read Dan Fleshler's article I was happy and uplifted because here was a man unafraid of soundbites or being called a self hating Jew. A man unafraid to mention the horrors of what Israel has done to Palestinians. What is most dishonest in this situation is pretending Israel is led by people who want fair resolution. Uri Avnery who first formulated the 2 state plan knowingly talks of an Israeli Manifest Destiny. This man has been on the front lines for peace for decades and he knows full well what he's up against. When his 2 state plan was about to happen the Israeli PM took a bullet in the back for signing on to a land for peace deal. Whan Rabbi Froman brought Hamas leaders to the table Shin Bet destroyed the table. That's the reality. The regime in Israel has no intention of peaceful revolution. And that leads to another reality, regime change in Israel is the first step towards any peaceful resolution. Israel needs an attitude adjustment.

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Fleshler is essentially a conscientious objector. We should be careful to judge his statements in this light.

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mysteryman wrote:

blueflame1 wrote:
mysteryman, Palestinians have as much right to defend themselves as do Israelis. I suggest you read what Dan Fleshler has to say. I agree with his entire evenhanded article and have said the same things many times in response to your Swift Boating soundbites. I've made it clear that I support a 2 state solution but you still continue insinuating that I "wont be happy until Israel totally surrenders its right to self defense." That's the argument of a soul with no substance to argue with.

A 2 state solution?

OK, lets examine that.
If Israel gives the Palestinians their own state, what then?
Would Israel be obligated to continue to supply that state with electric power and with fuel?
Would Israel then be allowed to totally close its borders to any Palestinians wanting to enter Israel?
Would Israel be allowed to block all roads leading into Israel?
Would Israel then be allowed to use its military to retaliate against ANY rocket or terrorist attack that originated from that Palestinian state?
Would Israel be obligated to recognize and have diplomatic relations with the Palestinian state?

Works for me. Smile

I have long said that all the Palestinians have to do to obtain peace is to denounce terrorism and do whatever they can reasonably do to prevent it and acknowledge Israel's right to exist. Should that happen, I believe the Palestinians would find the Israelis to be the best neighbors and friends anybody could ask for.

Based purely on their refusal to agree to any UN proposals and their continued attacks on Israel plus their unwillingness to acknowledge Israel's right to exist, I believe the Palestinian leadership does not want peace with Israel. I think what they want are a lot more people who think like Blueflame and if they are able to get enough allies like him, they hope that Israel will then be obliterated.

It makes no sense from any reasonable perspective to expect peace based on a premise of the Palestinians will make nice just as soon as Israel stops hitting back when Palestine bombs or shells Israel.

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Advocate, haha. Good sloshing off. "Fleshler is essentially a conscientious objector. We should be careful to judge his statements in this light." His words speak for themselves. But your reaction was expected. Your solution, "Once again, I think that peace will be achieved only after Israel hits the Pals so hard that the latter finally realizes that the only reasonable alternative is a valid peace agreement with Israel" is a formula for more war and nothing but war. Compared to what Fleshler says yours are the rantings of a madman.

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Judgment at Nuremberg (1961)

"There are those in our own country too who today speak of the "protection of country" -- of "survival." A decision must be made in the life of every nation at the very moment when the grasp of the enemy is at its throat. Then, it seems that the only way to survive is to use the means of the enemy, to rest survival upon what is expedient -- to look the other way. Well, the answer to that is "survival as what?" A country isn't a rock. It's not an extension of one's self. It's what it stands for. It's what it stands for when standing for something is the most difficult!

Before the people of the world let it now be noted that here, in our decision, this is what we stand for: justice, truth, and the value of a single human being." Spencer Tracy (Judge Dan Haywood) delivers this poignant summation of the Nuremburg Trials of four Nazi Judges

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