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georgeob1
 
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Reply Sun 6 Apr, 2008 01:53 pm
Advocate wrote:
georgeob1 wrote:
Perhaps Advocate can explain to us how Israel might go about "defeating" the Palestinians - backed up as they are by Iran and indeed most of the principal Arab states.



I imagine that Israel will have to visit on the Pals very harsh and damaging retaliation, in the nature of its actions in Lebanon. Since the latter, Hezbollah has not engaged in any significant terrorism in Israel.


Fifty plus years of that has only worsened the situation and left Israel in a less favorable political & demographic position than it had previously. Are you merely advocating more of that? Some strategy.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Sun 6 Apr, 2008 01:53 pm
Advocate wrote:
georgeob1 wrote:
Perhaps Advocate can explain to us how Israel might go about "defeating" the Palestinians - backed up as they are by Iran and indeed most of the principal Arab states.



I imagine that Israel will have to visit on the Pals very harsh and damaging retaliation, in the nature of its actions in Lebanon. Since the latter, Hezbollah has not engaged in any significant terrorism in Israel.

But it would still leave the crux of the Palestinian's grievance against the state of Israel unaddressed--their necessary and perpetual oppression so that Israel can continue to "exist" as an ethnocentric state.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Sun 6 Apr, 2008 02:32 pm
The Pals may be fanatical and misguided, but they are not stupid. Israel will have to retaliate very severely, just hard enough to convince the Pals that it is not in their interest to continue their attacks on Israel.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Sun 6 Apr, 2008 02:46 pm
Advocate wrote:
The Pals may be fanatical and misguided, but they are not stupid. Israel will have to retaliate very severely, just hard enough to convince the Pals that it is not in their interest to continue their attacks on Israel.


But that doesn't address the central greivance of the Palestinians--their oppression so that Israel may "exist" as an ethnocentric state.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 7 Apr, 2008 11:31 am
InfraBlue wrote:
Advocate wrote:
The Pals may be fanatical and misguided, but they are not stupid. Israel will have to retaliate very severely, just hard enough to convince the Pals that it is not in their interest to continue their attacks on Israel.


But that doesn't address the central greivance of the Palestinians--their oppression so that Israel may "exist" as an ethnocentric state.


The Palestinian Arabs are responsible for their own grievances and their own oppression by their aggressive opposition to Israel's existence as an ethnocentric state within which many Arabs continue to voluntarily reside. Figuratively speaking, too many Palestinian Arabs not residing in Israel are choosing to cut their own throats.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 7 Apr, 2008 12:27 pm
ican711nm wrote:
InfraBlue wrote:
Advocate wrote:
The Pals may be fanatical and misguided, but they are not stupid. Israel will have to retaliate very severely, just hard enough to convince the Pals that it is not in their interest to continue their attacks on Israel.


But that doesn't address the central greivance of the Palestinians--their oppression so that Israel may "exist" as an ethnocentric state.


The Palestinian Arabs are responsible for their own grievances and their own oppression by their aggressive opposition to Israel's existence as an ethnocentric state within which many Arabs continue to voluntarily reside. Figuratively speaking, too many Palestinian Arabs not residing in Israel are choosing to cut their own throats.


That's the real heart of it. I think the Palestinian leadership does not WANT the Palestinians to choose to live in peace with the Israelis and I think they rejoice every single time Israel retaliates against Palestinian aggression. If they can't get the Israelis to react, I think they manufacture something for which to criticize the Israelis so they can keep as much hate and resentment going as possible.

These efforts are aided and abetted quite nicely by the pro-Palestinian media and other sympathizers here in the USA, in Europe, and elsewhere.

In fact, should the Palestinian leadership go to the Israeli leadership and publicly declare Israel's right to exist, publicly pledge to cease and desist all hostilities with full enforcement of that policy, and offer to work out a way that Palestinians and Israelis could live in a cooperative peace. . . .I think we would see an end to the problem almost overnight.

Again, at such time as the Palestinians make ANY kind of effort to recognize Israel and live in peace with Israel and Israel does not reward that effort, I will be on the Palestinians side.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Mon 7 Apr, 2008 10:53 pm
ican711nm wrote:

The Palestinian Arabs are responsible for their own grievances and their own oppression by their aggressive opposition to Israel's existence as an ethnocentric state within which many Arabs continue to voluntarily reside. Figuratively speaking, too many Palestinian Arabs not residing in Israel are choosing to cut their own throats.


That many Arabs continue to voluntarily reside in Israel does not negate the fact that Israel's oppression of the Palestinian people is a legitimate grievance of the Palestinians (let alone address the fact that Israel tolerates the Arabs there as a second class, "managed minority"). Neither does it negate the fact that Israel's oppression of the Palestinian people is immoral and against the very nature of a truly egalitarian, pluralistic and democratic state.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Mon 7 Apr, 2008 11:32 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
ican711nm wrote:

The Palestinian Arabs are responsible for their own grievances and their own oppression by their aggressive opposition to Israel's existence as an ethnocentric state within which many Arabs continue to voluntarily reside. Figuratively speaking, too many Palestinian Arabs not residing in Israel are choosing to cut their own throats.


That's the real heart of it. I think the Palestinian leadership does not WANT the Palestinians to choose to live in peace with the Israelis and I think they rejoice every single time Israel retaliates against Palestinian aggression. If they can't get the Israelis to react, I think they manufacture something for which to criticize the Israelis so they can keep as much hate and resentment going as possible.

These efforts are aided and abetted quite nicely by the pro-Palestinian media and other sympathizers here in the USA, in Europe, and elsewhere.

In fact, should the Palestinian leadership go to the Israeli leadership and publicly declare Israel's right to exist, publicly pledge to cease and desist all hostilities with full enforcement of that policy, and offer to work out a way that Palestinians and Israelis could live in a cooperative peace. . . .I think we would see an end to the problem almost overnight.

Again, at such time as the Palestinians make ANY kind of effort to recognize Israel and live in peace with Israel and Israel does not reward that effort, I will be on the Palestinians side.


Certainly this description of "the Palestinian leadership" fits Hamas, but it's inept in describing the leadership of Fatah under Mahmoud Abbas, who according to the BBC's profile "has called for a halt to armed attacks on Israeli targets to avoid giving Israel a pretext to destroy the last vestiges of Palestinian autonomy." He supports a two state solution and the implementation of some form of right of return.

What is the actual heart of the matter, those who can't see the forest for the trees notwithstanding, is that for the Palestinians to "recognize Israel" by Israel's terms--as a an ethnocentric state centered around another ethnicity--is to accept their own oppression, and deny their own rights in a land which they also claim as a homeland, and have been, and are continuing to be, dispossessed of.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 7 Apr, 2008 11:41 pm
InfraBlue wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
ican711nm wrote:

The Palestinian Arabs are responsible for their own grievances and their own oppression by their aggressive opposition to Israel's existence as an ethnocentric state within which many Arabs continue to voluntarily reside. Figuratively speaking, too many Palestinian Arabs not residing in Israel are choosing to cut their own throats.


That's the real heart of it. I think the Palestinian leadership does not WANT the Palestinians to choose to live in peace with the Israelis and I think they rejoice every single time Israel retaliates against Palestinian aggression. If they can't get the Israelis to react, I think they manufacture something for which to criticize the Israelis so they can keep as much hate and resentment going as possible.

These efforts are aided and abetted quite nicely by the pro-Palestinian media and other sympathizers here in the USA, in Europe, and elsewhere.

In fact, should the Palestinian leadership go to the Israeli leadership and publicly declare Israel's right to exist, publicly pledge to cease and desist all hostilities with full enforcement of that policy, and offer to work out a way that Palestinians and Israelis could live in a cooperative peace. . . .I think we would see an end to the problem almost overnight.

Again, at such time as the Palestinians make ANY kind of effort to recognize Israel and live in peace with Israel and Israel does not reward that effort, I will be on the Palestinians side.


Certainly this description of "the Palestinian leadership" fits Hamas, but it's inept in describing the leadership of Fatah under Mahmoud Abbas, who according to the BBC's profile "has called for a halt to armed attacks on Israeli targets to avoid giving Israel a pretext to destroy the last vestiges of Palestinian autonomy." He supports a two state solution and the implementation of some form of right of return.

What is the actual heart of the matter, those who can't see the forest for the trees notwithstanding, is that for the Palestinians to "recognize Israel" by Israel's terms--as a an ethnocentric state centered around another ethnicity--is to accept their own oppression, and deny their own rights in a land which they also claim as a homeland, and have been, and are continuing to be, dispossessed of.


If what you say was true, Blue, though I do think you believe what you are saying, the million plus Palestinians who have accepted Israel's right to exist, have even accepted full citizenship in Israel, representation on the Knesset, and are free to go about and live their lives as they please within Israel would be among those who are oppressed. They aren't.

Given that track record and acceptance of peaceful Arabs within their midst, there is simply no case to be made that other Palestinians who recognized Israel's right to exist, stopped bombing and shelling Israelis, and pledged cooperative and a peaceful coexistence would experience any oppression of any kind from the Israelis.

One thing is for sure: so long as the Palestinian leadership professes its committment to the extermination of Israel and continues to support efforts to kill as many Israeli men, women, and children as it can, we will probably never find out. All concessions made so far have come from the Israeli side and they have been rewarded every single time with more terrorist bombings and rocket attacks.

The Israelis may be tough. But they aren't stupid.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2008 10:03 am
It seems that the Pal Israelis are, in the extreme, enemies of their own country. This is a discussion of the recent school attack by a Pal Israeli.


School Shooting in the Holy Land
by Aaron Elias
Sorrow and terror swept the state after a Palestinian gunman murdered eight students and wounded 40 others in a Jewish school in Jerusalem on March 6. Alaa Hisham Abu Dheim, the man suspected in the attack, worked as a driver at Mercav Harav Yeshiva. He traveled by foot to the yeshiva at around 8:45 p.m. wearing a long coat that concealed a Kalashnikov automatic rifle and a weapons belt. Upon reaching the school, he shot the security guard and walked into a library where students were just finishing their prayers. He then opened fire on the crowded library of at least 80 people. Reports state that Abu Dheim then walked around the library to shoot wounded boys in order to verify they were dead before moving on.

The massacre continued for 10 minutes before Yitzhak Dadon, a student and military officer, climbed a balcony and waited for the attacker to emerge. "I lay on the roof of the study hall, cocked my gun and waited for him. He came out of the library spraying automatic fire," Dadon said. When the attacker emerged, he shot the gunman in the head to put the terror to an end. When authorities arrived on the scene, they found six empty clips of ammunition on the floor. Yerach Tuccer, one of the first medics on the scene, said the inside of the library looked like a slaughterhouse. "The most terrible thing was to see young guys lying on the ground still holding the Torah," he said.

Photos and videos of the library show floors, books and Torah scrolls soaked with blood. One video shows handguns and an automatic rifle on a floor drenched with blood and bullets. Survivors of the carnage described students screaming and jumping out of windows to avoid being killed. Ephraim Friedman, a student from England, said, "there were people running in all directions, people screaming from the balcony, innocent civilians. And [people] still don't understand why we go into Gaza to root out the terrorists who direct these attacks. … Whenever we try to defend ourselves, the world screams."

It is reported that a second gunman accompanied Abu Dheim, but this is unverified. Abu Dheim was a Palestinian resident of Israel in possession of an Israeli Identification Card, which allowed him to move freely in Israel. The fact that the attack came within Israel's own borders has raised great concern.Traumatized and sobbing students barred from re-entering the school gathered outside and chanted "Death to Arabs." This reaction was too harsh, but they were schoolboys dealing with the aftermath of a massacre, one that occurred simply because they supported ideas that someone else didn't agree with.

The school shootings were the finale to a bloody day of terrorist attacks that began with the explosion of an Israel Defense Forces patrol jeep along the Gaza border after it passed over a 50-kilogram road bomb. Nine Qassam rockets were also fired into the town of Sderot, but thankfully no injuries or deaths resulted. Funeral proceedings for the eight murdered students took place Friday morning. Thousands attended while grieving students of all ages comforted each other. Meanwhile, Palestinians in the Middle East were jubilant about the attack and celebrated by marching through the streets and firing weapons into the air. Some launched mortars due to the excitement of the Columbine and Virginia Tech-like shootings.

I was reminded of something Amir Abdel Malik Ali said during the "Gears of War" event last March … something about how Hezbollah and Hamas are honorable people who deserve respect. Let me tell you something, Ali. I understand that we have different viewpoints and that there are a number of things we disagree on, and I am all for progressive debate. However, I've got news for you. Attacking and targeting civilians is not honorable, and celebrating the deaths of young men does not deserve respect. You have no business coming to our campus and tainting ignorant minds with misinformation about how Hezbollah and Hamas want peace in the Middle East when they are celebrating the deaths of children.

The attack has drawn condemnations from all over the world, including Russia, Germany and Jordan. President George W. Bush assured Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert that the United States "stands firmly with Israel in the face of this terrible attack," and United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon condemned what he called a "savage attack." Unfortunately, an emergency meeting of the U.N. Security Council could not agree on issuing a statement when Libya demanded support for a resolution condemning Israeli retaliations in Gaza.

President Mahmoud Abbas of the Palestinian Authority has also stated that he "[condemns] all attacks that target civilians, whether they are Palestinian or Israeli." However, the joyous Palestinian reaction to the murder of the students has overshadowed this statement. Hamas militants have praised the school shootings in a public statement. Police and Israeli secret service have been investigating a claim of responsibility by an unknown group called the "Martyrs of Imad Mughneih." Mughnieh, a Hezbollah commander, was assassinated last month by a car bomb, an attack that Hezbollah has blamed Israel for.

The school shootings came on the same day that Egyptian officials tried to instigate a truce between Palestinian militants and Israel. The U.S.-backed proposal would stop rocket fire on Israeli civilians in exchange for Israel ceasing to attack Palestinian militants. It would also restore trade and travel from Gaza. Many Palestinians are averse to the idea of a peaceful compromise with Israel and have strategically timed attacks in order to disrupt peace talks in the past. Accordingly, Thursday's tragic events have triggered calls by right-wing Israelis to drop the peace talks with Abbas, but Israel has stated that it plans to go ahead with the peace talks as planned.

"It's sad … these kids hadn't even lived a full life [and] didn't deserve to die," said an anonymous second-year Asian-American studies major. An anonymous second-year studio art major added that "it should be worked out as a group because the conflict is not just between individuals; it's idiotic that one person thinks going into a school and killing eight people is going to solve anything." A candlelight vigil took place the Tuesday after the shootings. Those present recited Jewish prayers for the deceased, a fast recovery for the wounded and healing for the grieving.


Aaron Elias is a second-year English major. He can be reached at [email protected].
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2008 12:38 pm
InfraBlue wrote:
ican711nm wrote:

The Palestinian Arabs are responsible for their own grievances and their own oppression by their aggressive opposition to Israel's existence as an ethnocentric state within which many Arabs continue to voluntarily reside. Figuratively speaking, too many Palestinian Arabs not residing in Israel are choosing to cut their own throats.


That many Arabs continue to voluntarily reside in Israel does not negate the fact that Israel's oppression of the Palestinian people is a legitimate grievance of the Palestinians (let alone address the fact that Israel tolerates the Arabs there as a second class, "managed minority"). Neither does it negate the fact that Israel's oppression of the Palestinian people is immoral and against the very nature of a truly egalitarian, pluralistic and democratic state.

Malarkey!

Israel is NOT oppressing the Palestinian people.

Israel is NOT an egalitarian, pluralistic and democratic state; nor does it claim to be; nor does it seek to be.

Israel IS a state that operates to secure for ALL its residents equal rights to life, liberty, and property.

Israel IS by its own free choice a predominately Jewish state.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2008 12:47 pm
Advocate wrote:
It seems that the Pal Israelis are, in the extreme, enemies of their own country. This is a discussion of the recent school attack by a Pal Israeli.


Quote:
... Alaa Hisham Abu Dheim, the man suspected in the attack, worked as a driver at Mercav Harav Yeshiva. ... He then opened fire on the crowded library of at least 80 people.
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Dheim, one Pal Israeli mass murderer, is not typical of all the Pal Israelis. To claim that he is a typical Pal Israeli, is evidence of extreme bigotry.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2008 12:54 pm
Ican, I haven't seen any polls of Pal Israelis concerning their view of Israel. Have you? I do know that the Jewish population doesn't trust them, with some good reason. For instance, they are not trusted to serve in the military.

I remember that, during the recent war in Lebanon, the Pal Israelis did not join with others in condemnation of Hezbollah.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2008 03:22 pm
Advocate wrote:
Ican, I haven't seen any polls of Pal Israelis concerning their view of Israel. Have you? I do know that the Jewish population doesn't trust them, with some good reason. For instance, they are not trusted to serve in the military.

I remember that, during the recent war in Lebanon, the Pal Israelis did not join with others in condemnation of Hezbollah.

Not only have I NOT seen any polls of Pal Israeli views of Israel, I have NOT seen any polls of Israeli views of Pal israelis.

However, even if I had, I would not trust either poll regardless of its results, because I do not trust the integrity of any poll.

Also you wrote: Pal Israelis "are not trusted to serve in the [Israeli] military."

If that is actually true and not more lying propaganda, I bet the proper unbiased phraseology would be: Pal Israelis are EXEMPT from serving in the [Israeli] military. If I were a Pal Israeli, I would appreciate and not resent that EXEMPTION. Yes indeed, I for one would appreciate very much that kind of OPPRESSION.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2008 03:26 pm
ican711nm wrote:
Advocate wrote:
Ican, I haven't seen any polls of Pal Israelis concerning their view of Israel. Have you? I do know that the Jewish population doesn't trust them, with some good reason. For instance, they are not trusted to serve in the military.

I remember that, during the recent war in Lebanon, the Pal Israelis did not join with others in condemnation of Hezbollah.

Not only have I NOT seen any polls of Pal Israeli views of Israel, I have NOT seen any polls of Israeli views of Pal israelis.

However, even if I had, I would not trust either poll regardless of its results, because I do not trust the integrity of any poll.

Also you wrote: Pal Israelis "are not trusted to serve in the [Israeli] military."

If that is actually true and not more lying propaganda, I bet the proper unbiased phraseology would be: Pal Israelis are EXEMPT from serving in the [Israeli] military. If I were a Pal Israeli, I would appreciate and not resent that EXEMPTION. Yes indeed, I for one would appreciate very much that kind of OPPRESSION.


True. The Pals who are Israeli citizens in fact can enlist in the Israeli military but there is no mandatory requirement for the Pals to do so because the enemy they would most likely face would be other Palestinians, even relatives, which could be emotionally stressful. The likelihood that Jews would be fighting other Jews is nil.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2008 03:37 pm
Ican, do you really believe that the Pal Israelis are, in general, loyal to their country? From what I have read, they constitute a fifth column. There is some thinking that the country should be partitioned with the new territory given to them as a homeland.

I disagree that the Pals are exempt from the military merely to shield them from having to fight fellow Arabs. Afterall, in our major wars, it was Christian v. Christian.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2008 03:49 pm
Here is an interesting paper discussing the Pal Israeli.

http://www.jcpa.org/jl/hit05.htm
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2008 03:53 pm
Advocate wrote:
Ican, do you really believe that the Pal Israelis are, in general, loyal to their country?

YES!

...

I disagree that the Pals are exempt from the military merely to shield them from having to fight fellow Arabs. Afterall, in our major wars, it was Christian v. Christian.

Whatever Israel's reason for Pal Israeli exemption from risking death on the battlefield, it is a very nice thing to do!

Would you rather Israel OPPRESS the Pal Israelis by FORCING them to serve in Israel's military? I sure wouldn't!
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Advocate
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2008 03:55 pm
Here is another interesting problem on Israel's terrible problem regarding its Pal citizens.




Abusing democracy

By Avigdor Lieberman


In an opinion piece published in Haaretz on March 24, "The Vision of an Arab-free Knesset," Shahar Ilan wrote: "Those who seek to cast them [representatives of the Arab public] out will engender a process which, in a short period of time, could lead to the formation of an Israeli Arab parliament, calling for autonomy or an uprising in Israel."

Unfortunately, aspirations for the creation of an Israeli Arab parliament, and for Arab autonomy in Israel, have been harbored for years by the leaders of Israel's Arab community. In a document entitled "The Future Vision of the Palestinian Arabs in Israel," drawn up by the National Committee for the Heads of the Arab Local Authorities in Israel, the manner in which this process would unfold is presented in detail.

It should be added that making statements like "We will never recognize Israel as a Jewish state"; participating in the funerals of, and memorial services for, mass murderers; burning the Israeli flag; hurling rocks at vehicles; perpetrating near-lynches of Jerusalem municipal inspectors; and defining Israel Defense Forces operations intended to protect Sderot's residents as "crimes against humanity" - all contribute to the continued escalation exacerbated and supported by the Arab leadership in Israel.
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I know of no other state that would allow its citizens such freedom of action. During the Falklands War, Argentinean soccer players on English teams were forced to return to Argentina. Only two weeks ago, in Spain, in a soccer match between Athletic de Bilbao and Valladolid, during a minute of silence for the member of a local council who had been assassinated two days earlier, fans shouted slogans supporting the Basque underground, ETA. Spain's state prosecutor's office immediately launched an investigation to identify those who had shown lack of respect for the murdered official's memory and his family; such disrespectful behavior in Spain is a crime punishable by a prison sentence.

Only in Israel can citizens take the law into their own hands; only in Israel is lawlessness the law of the land. Article 5 of the National Flag, Symbol and Hymn Law specifies that "those who dishonor the national flag or national symbol ... or who employ the national flag or national symbol in a manner dishonoring the flag or symbol, are liable to a prison sentence of up to one year ..." Nonetheless, burning and otherwise dishonoring the Israeli flag have become routine actions. Every week assemblies are held in Arab towns throughout Israel; they are attended by members of the Arab leadership and include the burning of the Israeli flag. Yet the law that exists in our lawbooks is never enforced.

Article 144, Section D(2) of Israel's penal code specifies that "those who issue a call to perpetrate an act of violence or terror, or who express praise for, sympathy with, or encouragement for an act of violence or terror, or who voice support for, or solidarity with, such an act ... are liable to a prison sentence of up to five years."

There is no need to remind ourselves of the events of October 2000, nor of the Or Commission that investigated them, which concluded that, "there are solid grounds for asserting that the messages [of the Arab leadership] ... contributed substantially to the events that occurred in October 2000, through the encouragement and incitement of the public to adopt an aggressive, confrontational stand against the state and the police force acting on its behalf to maintain law and order."

Is the law enforced? Of course not.

The attempt to assign the Yisrael Beiteinu party negative labels and to represent our position on the Jewish people's rights to this land as racism and as incitement against the Arab population is a distortion of reality. I see no difference between the actions of Tali Fahima [who served a prison sentence for aiding Palestinian militants] and those of former Knesset member Azmi Bishara. The same holds true for Neturei Karta's Rabbi Moshe Hirsch and Sheikh Ra'ad Salah, leader of the northern branch of the Islamic Movement. Naturally, I do not support the violent struggle that the Higher Arab Monitoring Committee is promoting against young Israeli Arabs interested in volunteering for national service, who are turned into pariahs in Arab society.

The only demand that can and should be made of Israel's citizens - whether Jewish, Muslim or Christian - is that they be loyal to the state and its values as a Jewish state. Just as the Jews of Morocco are loyal to its king, Israel's minority groups must be loyal to the state they live in. I am not advocating the silencing of protest or any infringement of freedom of expression; however, legitimate protest must be distinguished from the abuse of democracy.

MK Avigdor Lieberman is chair of the Yisrael Beiteinu party.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2008 04:13 pm
Advocate wrote:
Here is another interesting problem on Israel's terrible problem regarding its Pal citizens.




Abusing democracy

By Avigdor Lieberman
...
The only demand that can and should be made of Israel's citizens - whether Jewish, Muslim or Christian - is that they be loyal to the state and its values as a Jewish state. Just as the Jews of Morocco are loyal to its king, Israel's minority groups must be loyal to the state they live in. I am not advocating the silencing of protest or any infringement of freedom of expression; however, legitimate protest must be distinguished from the abuse of democracy.

MK Avigdor Lieberman is chair of the Yisrael Beiteinu party.


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