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Poll: Most Israelis back talks with Hamas

Perhaps the people of Israel (unlike government; I am beginning to think government never do what the citizens want) realize that in order to have eventual peace; you have to talk to your enemies. I know that Hamas says it don't recognize Israel right to exist (at least that is what I have heard and don't really have reason to doubt) but probably they would have to stick to it after having said it. In any case if they are willing to make concessions and have talk (don't know if they are); why not at least talk with them and see what those concessions might be without any pre-conditions first? At least see if they are willing to have talks with Israel. They are ones who are the leaders of the ones who commit the suicide bombs so if Israel wants headway they have to deal with those who are the leaders, not leaders most Palestinians don't have any respect for so would not listen to anyway.

Here are some more demands from Islam.

http://www.dotsub.com/films/moredemands/index.php?autostart=true&language_setting=en_1618

The face of Israeli oppression.



The body of five-month old Mohammad Naser Al-Buri lies in the morgue at the Al-shifa hospital before during his funeral February 28, 2008 in Gaza City, Gaza. Al-Buri, who is the son of the UNRWA of Al-shati primary school doorkeeper Naser Al-Buri, was killed while he was sleeping at his home following an Israeli aircraft strike on the home of his family's neighbor belonging to the Hamas Government's Interior Minister, Palestinian medical sources said. By Abid Katib/Getty Images.

Just another little bit of f*cking meaningless collateral damage. Right?

Cycloptichorn

The renewed violence started on Wednesday, when an Israeli airstrike killed five Hamas militants traveling in a van. Israeli officials said some of the men had received weapons and explosives training in Iran, and local media reports quoted anonymous officials as saying the men were planning a large attack against Israel.

Hamas retaliated by firing more than 40 rockets into Israel, one of the heaviest barrages in months. One rocket landed on an Israeli college campus in the southern town of Sderot, killing a 47-year-old father of four. It was the first fatal rocket attack since last May.

On Thursday Israeli aircraft struck targets in the Gaza Strip again, killing eight Palestinians, including the son of a hardline Hamas leader. Palestinian rocket fired back throughout the day. Police said two rockets reached Ashkelon, a major city nearly 20 kilometers (12 miles) north of Gaza.

Oh, you mean this incident?

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The renewed violence started on Wednesday, when an Israeli airstrike killed five Hamas militants traveling in a van. Israeli officials said some of the men had received weapons and explosives training in Iran, and local media reports quoted anonymous officials as saying the men were planning a large attack against Israel.

Hamas retaliated by firing more than 40 rockets into Israel, one of the heaviest barrages in months. One rocket landed on an Israeli college campus in the southern town of Sderot, killing a 47-year-old father of four. It was the first fatal rocket attack since last May.

On Thursday Israeli aircraft struck targets in the Gaza Strip again, killing eight Palestinians, including the son of a hardline Hamas leader.

Palestinian rocket fired back throughout the day. Police said two rockets reached Ashkelon, a major city nearly 20 kilometers (12 miles) north of Gaza.

So; Israel uses airstrikes to blow up people who may or may not be guilty of anything; there was no attempt at due process or any form of justice whatsoever.

Palestine reacts by sho[o]ting off some [44] rockets;

Israel then uses multiple airstrikes to kill [8] more Palestinians.

And this was started by the rocket attacks? That's what you honestly believe?

Cycloptichorn

So, all members of Hamas have to do is be riding in a van - and their lives are forfeit?

NO! The lives of all members of Hamas are forfeit only if the Israelis know they are riding in a van."

Are all members of Hamas' lives forfeit at any time, with no provocation, Ican?

NO! The lives of all members of Hamas are forfeit with no additional provocation only if the Israelis know they are riding in a van."

Cycloptichorn

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It is rather remarkable that nobody, other than Israel, seems to be suggesting that Hamas should declare a cease fire and declare peaceful intentions to coexist with Israel as a tactic to win world opinion to their side. Should they do that and Israel not agree, it would change my perspective on this whole insane scene.

And never you mind all the innocents killed along the way.

And never you mind all the innocents killed along the way.

cicerone imposter wrote:

And never you mind all the innocents killed along the way.

Are you saying that there are no innocent Israeli's?

And never you mind all the innocents killed along the way [by Hamas].

Israel's deputy defence minister yesterday warned his country was close to launching a huge military operation in Gaza and said Palestinians would bring on themselves a "bigger shoah," using the Hebrew word usually reserved for the Holocaust.

Vilnai was speaking about his government's plans to tackle the continued firing of makeshift rockets, known as Qassams, from Gaza.

"The more Qassam fire intensifies and the rockets reach a longer range, they will bring upon themselves a bigger shoah because we will use all our might to defend ourselves," he said, in a telephone interview with army radio yesterday morning.

His spokesman later tried to play down the force of his language, saying he meant only "disaster".

"He did not mean to make any allusion to the genocide," the spokesman said.