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Hamas has made overture of truce over the last years and even in the last two weeks. Israel rejects them out of hand and merely repeats the same rheteric. Palestine is oppressed and they are fighting and I concede that in their fighting they kill Israeli civilians rather than just aiming for the Iraeli army and on accident civilians getting killed. However; it seems to me they have been left without any good options since Israel first formed and effectively occupied them and made to concede or die fighting. If they were to lay down their arms and give up they would not get anything from Israel in return other than being occupied and more and more lands and rights taken away.

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Israel and Hamas have never had direct contacts because of Hamas' violently anti-Israel ideology. But they have agreed to short truces negotiated by third parties.

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The chief of Israel's left-wing Meretz party, Yossi Beilin, said Hamas had offered a truce around Gaza over the past two weeks but the overtures had been rejected by the Israeli leadership, which brands the movement a terror group.

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Six-month-old baby killed by Israel attacks - 28 Feb 08

Human Rights Watch oral statement on Gaza to the UN Human Rights Council

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An Israeli official said that Hamas may have a truce whenever it wants it. All it has to do is cease rocketing Israel.

Israel made it clear that its official was not referring to a German-style holocaust.

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Advocate wrote:

Israel made it clear that its official was not referring to a German-style holocaust.

Yes, he said "shoah" in the Army radio interview.

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Walter Hinteler wrote:

Advocate wrote:

Israel made it clear that its official was not referring to a German-style holocaust.

Yes, he said "shoah" in the Army radio interview.

This is from yesterday's Manchester Guardian:

A spokesperson for Vilnai has said he was using the word in its general sense and that "he did not mean to make any allusion to the genocide". But the very fact that it was necessary to issue this "clarification" is revealing. The term "shoah" today, used in a political context, immediately conjures up the Nazi Holocaust. It frankly beggars belief that Vilnai could not have been aware that the word is so freighted.

Israel is not morally capable of a German-style holocaust.

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Advocate wrote:

Israel is not morally capable of a German-style holocaust.

What would an Israel-style holocaust be like. Kinder, gentler holocaust?

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Israel would deliver a disaster to Hamas's leaders and militant underlings. There would be no holocaust. It is the Pals whose actions resemble those of the Nazis, not the Israelis.

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Advocate wrote:

It is the Pals whose actions resemble those of the Nazis, not the Israelis.

Ah, so Israel's deputy defence minister actually was speaking about Palestinians, and his sentence was just said with some grammatical mistakes.

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Walter Hinteler wrote:

Advocate wrote:
It is the Pals whose actions resemble those of the Nazis, not the Israelis.

Ah, so Israel's deputy defence minister actually was speaking about Palestinians, and his sentence was just said with some grammatical mistakes.

He didn't use the word "holocaust" because that was not what was meant when using "shoah."

Walter, I know you think you are witty, and I must concede you are half a wit.

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Advocate wrote:

He didn't use the word "holocaust" because that was not what was meant when using "shoah."

So dictionaries are wrong when noting Shoah [in Hebrew] = the Holocaust [in English].

(And you should change this wiki-entry - with all your knowledge!

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Advocate has a problem with facts that has anything to do with any negative reporting of Jews in Israel. He's an apologist for the Zionist apartheid, and the greater numbers of innocent Palestiians killed by Jews than the other way around; and guess who the terrorists are to Advocate? It's okey to "sacrifice" Palestinians lives to justify the illegal treatment of other "humans."

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killing at least 46 people and wounding more than 100 in the deadliest day of fighting in more than a year. Two Israeli soldiers were killed and seven wounded, the military said.

Sad, those collateral damage; but all those innocents deserve it for being a Palestinian.

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Deadliest Gaza violence puts peace talks at riska "holocaust" and "genocide," and threatened to call off peace talks.

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"shoah" with a capital "S" is sometimes used by some interchangeably with the Holcaust.

Jews, especially Orthodox Jews, also freely use "shoah" meaning calamity or devastation or catastophe; i.e. a really bad scene.

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Thanks, Foxfyre. (I already wrote above that the wiki-report had to be changed.)

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cicerone imposter wrote:

killing at least 46 people and wounding more than 100 in the deadliest day of fighting in more than a year. Two Israeli soldiers were killed and seven wounded, the military said.

Sad, those collateral damage; but all those innocents deserve it for being a Palestinian.

Your the only one saying that.
Do you really believe that?

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Israel, unlike Germany, has never marched people to the ovens. It has never deemed its people the master race.

In Hebrew, the word "shoah" means disaster, not holocaust. A holocaust is, of course, one type of disaster.

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The biblical word Shoa (שואה) (also spelled Shoah and Sho'ah), meaning "calamity," became the standard Hebrew term for the Holocaust as early as the 1940s.[8] Shoa is preferred by many Jews for a number of reasons, including the theologically offensive nature of the original meaning of "holocaust."

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Hamas, to avoid Shoa and Shoah and Sho'ah and calamity, declare your conditions for recognizing Israel's right to exist.

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Hamas, to avoid Shoa and Shoah and Sho'ah and calamity, declare your conditions for recognizing Israel's right to exist.

Heil Israel

On to other news with this stepped Gaza offensive:

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Abbas halts contacts with Israel over Gaza

RAMALLAH, West Bank (AFP) - Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas formally suspended all contacts with Israel on Sunday in protest at the blitz on the Gaza Strip that has killed nearly 70 people, his spokesman said.

"The negotiations are suspended, as are all contacts on all levels, because in light of the Israeli aggression such communication has no meaning," Abbas spokesman Nabil Abu Rudeina said in a statement.

The Israeli government has decided to prosecute an unjust war and the open slaughter of our people. It bears sole responsibility for the hindering the peace process and all the effects and consequences of this decision," he said.

He added that Abbas had ordered the negotiating team to suspend all contacts with Israel "until the aggression stops".

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Israeli aircraft target Hamas office

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Shame on the Arabs, shame on the Muslims, shame on humanity ... When they will act to stop Israel?" Shaban asked. "There is no safe place in Gaza."

I fail to see the difference morally between Israel's offensive and Hamas indiscriminate firing of rockets. Both set out to kill as many as they can regardless of whether they are 'combatants' or 'civilians.'

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Israel is doing what any self-respecting country would do. Should Canada start rocketing Detroit, you can bet that we would go in within days and clean the bastards out.

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