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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 6 Jan, 2008 08:30 pm
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http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/refugees.html
The Palestinian Refugees
by Mitchell Bard

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The Palestinians left their homes in 1947-48 for a variety of reasons. Thousands of wealthy Arabs left in anticipation of a war, thousands more responded to Arab leaders' calls to get out of the way of the advancing armies, a handful were expelled, but most simply fled to avoid being caught in the cross fire of a battle. Had the Arabs accepted the 1947 UN resolution, not a single Palestinian would have become a refugee and an independent Arab state would now exist beside Israel.

The beginning of the Arab exodus can be traced to the weeks immediately following the announcement of the UN partition resolution. The first to leave were roughly 30,000 wealthy Arabs who anticipated the upcoming war and fled to neighboring Arab countries to await its end. Less affluent Arabs from the mixed cities of Palestine moved to all-Arab towns to stay with relatives or friends.

All of those who left fully anticipated being able to return to their homes after an early Arab victory, as Palestinian nationalist Aref el-Aref explained in his history of the 1948 war:

The Arabs thought they would win in less than the twinkling of an eye and that it would take no more than a day or two from the time the Arab armies crossed the border until all the colonies were conquered and the enemy would throw down his arms and cast himself on their mercy.

By the end of January1948, the exodus was so alarming the Palestine Arab Higher Committee asked neighboring Arab countries to refuse visas to these refugees and to seal the borders against them.

Meanwhile, Jewish leaders urged the Arabs to remain in Palestine and become citizens of Israel. The Assembly of Palestine Jewry issued this appeal on October 2, 1947:

We will do everything in our power to maintain peace, and establish a cooperation gainful to both [Jews and Arabs]. It is now, here and now, from Jerusalem itself, that a call must go out to the Arab nations to join forces with Jewry and the destined Jewish State and work shoulder to shoulder for our common good, for the peace and progress of sovereign equals.


On November 30, the day after the UN partition vote, the Jewish Agency announced: "The main theme behind the spontaneous celebrations we are witnessing today is our community's desire to seek peace and its determination to achieve fruitful cooperation with the Arabs...."

Israel's Proclamation of Independence, issued May 14, 1948, also invited the Palestinians to remain in their homes and become equal citizens in the new state:

In the midst of wanton aggression, we yet call upon the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel to preserve the ways of peace and play their part in the development of the State, on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its bodies and institutions....We extend our hand in peace and neighborliness to all the neighboring states and their peoples, and invite them to cooperate with the independent Jewish nation for the common good of all.
the Israeli Government had given guarantees of security of person and property. However, no effort was made by Egypt, Transjordan or even the United Nations Palestine Conciliation Commission to advise the Faluja Arabs one way or the other (New York Times, March 4, 1949).

Arab Leaders Provoke Exodus
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 6 Jan, 2008 08:32 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
By Ran HaCohen:

December 30, 2002

Ethnic Cleansing: Past, Present and Future


...

That which Ran HaCohen forecast would happen did not happen, and is not going to happen.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jan, 2008 12:05 am
ican, quoting the JVL, wrote:
Meanwhile, Jewish leaders urged the Arabs to remain in Palestine and become citizens of Israel. The Assembly of Palestine Jewry issued this appeal on October 2, 1947:

We will do everything in our power to maintain peace, and establish a cooperation gainful to both [Jews and Arabs]. It is now, here and now, from Jerusalem itself, that a call must go out to the Arab nations to join forces with Jewry and the destined Jewish State and work shoulder to shoulder for our common good, for the peace and progress of sovereign equals.

Israel's Proclamation of Independence, issued May 14, 1948, also invited the Palestinians to remain in their homes and become equal citizens in the new state:

In the midst of wanton aggression, we yet call upon the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel to preserve the ways of peace and play their part in the development of the State, on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its bodies and institutions....We extend our hand in peace and neighborliness to all the neighboring states and their peoples, and invite them to cooperate with the independent Jewish nation for the common good of all.

the Israeli Government had given guarantees of security of person and property.


The actions of the Zionist leadership in 1948 stand in stark contrast to their words.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jan, 2008 12:34 am
In their own words of the Zionists:

http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Famous-Zionist-Quotes/Story694.html
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jan, 2008 12:36 am
From the above link:

Famous Ethnic Cleansing Quotes
David Ben-Gurion
Moshe Sharett
Yosef Weitz, the architect of the "transfer" theory
Cleansing Lydda & Ramla
Menachem Ussishkin
Moshe Dayan
Arthur Ruppin
Shmuel Zuchovitzky
Transfer Committee
Miscellanies
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jan, 2008 12:39 am
One example from the link:

Famous Quotes
Yosef Weitz did not only advocate "transferring" the Palestinian people so the "Jewish state" would become a "Jewish majority", he also envisioned the "transfer" as a useful tool that could dispossess them from their lands. He stated in a meeting with the Transfer Committee on November 15, 1937:

"...the transfer of [Palestinian] Arab population from the area of the Jewish state does not serve only one aim--to diminish the Arab population. It also serves a second, no less important, aim which is to advocate land presently held and cultivated by the [Palestinian] Arabs and thus to release it for Jewish inhabitants." (Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 94-95)
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jan, 2008 12:43 am
Most are familiar with Moshe Dayan:


On 30 July 1973 Moshe Dayan said to Time Magazine:
"There is no more Palestine. Finished . . ." (Iron Wall, p. 316)

and in April 1973 from the peaks of Massada he proclaimed a vision:

"a new State of Israel with broad frontiers, strong and solid, with the authority of the Israel Government extending from the Jordan [river] to the Suez Canal." (Iron Wall, p. 316)
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jan, 2008 12:12 pm
George Orwell in NINETEEN EIGHTY-FOUR, Part III, Chapter IV, wrote:

Lying Propagandist says, Anything could be true. The so-called laws of Nature were nonsense. The law of gravity was nonsense. Lying Propagandist said, 'I could float off this floor like a soap bubble' ... Dupe thinks, 'If he THINKS he floats off the floor, and if I simultaneously THINK I see him do it, then the thing happens.' Suddenly, like a lump of submerged wreckage breaking the surface of water, the thought burst into his mind: 'It doesn't really happen. We imagine it. It is hallucination.' He pushed the thought under instantly. The fallacy was obvious. It presupposed that somewhere or other, outside oneself, there was a 'real' world where 'real' things happened. But how could there be such a world? What knowledge have we of anything, save through our own minds? All happenings are in the mind. Whatever happens in all minds, truly happens.

He had no difficulty in disposing of the fallacy, and he was in no danger of succumbing to it. He realized, nevertheless, that it ought never to have occurred to him. The mind should develop a blind spot whenever a dangerous thought presented itself. The process should be automatic, instinctive. CRIMESTOP, they called it in Newspeak.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jan, 2008 12:35 pm
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http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/refugees.html
Arab Leaders Provoke Exodus
A plethora of evidence exists demonstrating that Palestinians were encouraged to leave their homes to make way for the invading Arab armies. The U.S. Consul¬General in Haifa, Aubrey Lippincott, wrote on April 22, 1948, for example, that "local mufti¬dominated Arab leaders" were urging "all Arabs to leave the city, and large numbers did so."


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http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/refugees.html
The Arab National Committee in Jerusalem, following the March 8, 1948, instructions of the Arab Higher Committee, ordered women, children and the elderly in various parts of Jerusalem to leave their homes: "Any opposition to this order...is an obstacle to the holy war...and will hamper the operations of the fighters in these districts"


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http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/refugees.html
The Secretary of the Arab League Office in London, Edward Atiyah, wrote in his book, The Arabs: "This wholesale exodus was due partly to the belief of the Arabs, encouraged by the boastings of an unrealistic Arabic press and the irresponsible utterances of some of the Arab leaders that it could be only a matter of weeks before the Jews were defeated by the armies of the Arab States and the Palestinian Arabs enabled to re¬enter and retake possession of their country."


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http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/refugees.html
In his memoirs, Haled al Azm, the Syrian Prime Minister in 1948¬49, also admitted the Arab role in persuading the refugees to leave:
Since 1948 we have been demanding the return of the refugees to their homes. But we ourselves are the ones who encouraged them to leave. Only a few months separated our call to them to leave and our appeal to the United Nations to resolve on their return.


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http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/refugees.html
On April 3, 1949, the Near East Broadcasting Station (Cyprus) said: "It must not be forgotten that the Arab Higher Committee encouraged the refugees' flight from their homes in Jaffa, Haifa and Jerusalem."
"The Arab States encouraged the Palestine Arabs to leave their homes temporarily in order to be out of the way of the Arab invasion armies," according to the Jordanian newspaper Filastin (February 19, 1949).
One refugee quoted in the Jordan newspaper, Ad Difaa (September 6, 1954), said: "The Arab government told us: Get out so that we can get in. So we got out, but they did not get in."


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http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/refugees.html
Even Jordan's King Abdullah, writing in his memoirs, blamed Palestinian leaders for the refugee problem:
The tragedy of the Palestinians was that most of their leaders had paralyzed them with false and unsubstantiated promises that they were not alone; that 80 million Arabs and 400 million Muslims would instantly and miraculously come to their rescue.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jan, 2008 12:40 pm
I guess our Israel haters didn't know that Israelis, like Americans, have a variety of points of view. The fact of the matter is that Israel did not engage in ethnic cleansing. For instance, there are well over a million Arab-Israeli citizens.

Again, the real cleansers are the Pals, who are persecuting and driving out the Christian and other minority Arabs, murdering homosexuals, subjugating women, murdering alleged informants without trial, etc. Besides that, they are a great bunch of guys.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jan, 2008 01:02 pm
What'sa matter, ican? Only one source for your very biased position? And from the "jewishvirtuallibrary" no less.


http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/refugees.html


Can't you read and understand what the Zionists believed and wrote - in their own words about the ethnic cleansing? Shame on all of you!
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jan, 2008 05:01 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
What'sa matter, ican? Only one source for your very biased position? And from the "jewishvirtuallibrary" no less.


http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/refugees.html


Can't you read and understand what the Zionists believed and wrote - in their own words about the ethnic cleansing? Shame on all of you!

Also, Can't you read and understand what the Arabs believed and wrote - in their own words about the ethnic cleansing?

Believing and writing is not trying and doing.

QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS TO MAINTAIN ONE'S PERSPECTIVE

(1) Who chose Arabs not to flee Israel? Answer, Thousands of Arabs chose themselves not to flee Israel.

(2) Who chose Arabs to flee Israel? Answer, Thousands of Arabs chose themselves to flee Israel.

(3) Who recommended the Arabs leave Israel? Answer, Arabs et al recommended the Arabs leave Israel.

(4) Who said rotten things about the Arabs? Answer, some Israelis said rotten things about the Arabs.

(5) Who said rotten things about the Israelis? Answer, some Arabs said rotten things about the Israelis.

A NON-NEGOTIABLE PREREQUISITE

Until those Arabs that fled Israel in 1948 support the UN's 1947 resolution and declare Israel's right to exist, those Arabs possess zero right of return to Israel.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jan, 2008 08:07 pm
ican wrote:
A NON-NEGOTIABLE PREREQUISITE

Until those Arabs that fled Israel in 1948 support the UN's 1947 resolution and declare Israel's right to exist, those Arabs possess zero right of return to Israel.


This is not Israel's position in regard to the Palestinian refugees.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jan, 2008 08:26 pm
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The fact of the matter is that Israel did not engage in ethnic cleansing. For instance, there are well over a million Arab-Israeli citizens.


That there are over a million Arab-Israeli citizens does not negate the fact that the Zionists perpetrated ethnic-cleansing in the areas that came under the direct control of the haganah during the catastrophe of 1948. They reduced the Arab population to an extent that ensured a Jewish majority in those areas. This is the main reason they refuse to honor UN resolution 194. It would upset the Arab/Jewish demographic.

One reason why they ceased their ethnic cleansing operations is because they realized that they would be vilified by the West and other nations of the world had they continued these operations throughout all of the nascent Jewish state.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jan, 2008 09:10 pm
InfraBlue wrote:
ican wrote:
A NON-NEGOTIABLE PREREQUISITE

Until those Arabs that fled Israel in 1948 support the UN's 1947 resolution and declare Israel's right to exist, those Arabs possess zero right of return to Israel.


This is not Israel's position in regard to the Palestinian refugees.

What do you think is "Israel's position in regard to the Palestinian refugees?"
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Tigershark
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jan, 2008 09:16 pm
ican711nm wrote:

A NON-NEGOTIABLE PREREQUISITE

Until those Arabs that fled Israel in 1948 support the UN's 1947 resolution and declare Israel's right to exist, those Arabs possess zero right of return to Israel.


Sounds...fair Laughing
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jan, 2008 09:23 pm
Tigershark wrote:
ican711nm wrote:

A NON-NEGOTIABLE PREREQUISITE

Until those Arabs that fled Israel in 1948 support the UN's 1947 resolution and declare Israel's right to exist, those Arabs possess zero right of return to Israel.


Sounds...fair Laughing



It doesn't sound fair to me! Israel wants the right to exist while they take over Palestinian lands to grow their settlements. What kind of a lop-sided deal is that?
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Tigershark
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jan, 2008 09:24 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Tigershark wrote:
ican711nm wrote:

A NON-NEGOTIABLE PREREQUISITE

Until those Arabs that fled Israel in 1948 support the UN's 1947 resolution and declare Israel's right to exist, those Arabs possess zero right of return to Israel.


Sounds...fair Laughing



It doesn't sound fair to me! Israel wants the right to exist while they take over Palestinian lands to grow their settlements. What kind of a lop-sided deal is that?


I was being sarcastic, bud Laughing
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jan, 2008 10:06 pm
Tigershark wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
Tigershark wrote:
ican711nm wrote:

A NON-NEGOTIABLE PREREQUISITE

Until those Arabs that fled Israel in 1948 support the UN's 1947 resolution and declare Israel's right to exist, those Arabs possess zero right of return to Israel.


Sounds...fair Laughing



It doesn't sound fair to me! Israel wants the right to exist while they take over Palestinian lands to grow their settlements. What kind of a lop-sided deal is that?


I was being sarcastic, bud Laughing

Getting back those lands is immediately negotiable for the Arab refugees if they meet that non-negotiable prerequisite. What's the problem with that?
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Tigershark
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jan, 2008 10:13 pm
What's wrong with that? Where do we start?

So, the descendants of the 'Arabs' that lived in the land of their fathers up until 1947, then got driven out to avoid being murdered after resisting this invasion, now must acknowledge the legitimacy of this crime in order to be able to return to their own country as third class citizens.

As I said....sounds fair Laughing
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