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Advcoate's brains refuses to acknowledge simple facts that Israel is no more humane than their so-called enemies. Israel has killed more innocent Palestinian children than the other way around. Simple: FACTS get in the way of their reasoned arguments.

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It is interesting how you anti-Israel, pro-Pal, dupes automatically conflate Hez and Hamas. Thus, you guys feel that it is terrible that Israel stands ready to defend itself, and even retaliate.

As you well know, Israel went to some lengths in Leb to avoid civilian casualties. Hez has always targeted civilians.

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Advocate: As you well know, Israel went to some lengths in Leb to avoid civilian casualties.

More lies.

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Advocate, When are you going to get your head out of the sand of deception?

From the BBC:

Dozens killed in Lebanon air raid
Lebanon described the bombing as a "heinous crime"

More than 54 civilians, at least 34 of them children, have been killed in a town in south Lebanon in the deadliest Israeli strike of the conflict so far.
Displaced families had been sheltering in the basement of a house in Qana, which was crushed after a direct hit.

Lebanon's prime minister denounced "Israeli war criminals" and cancelled talks with the US secretary of state.

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Hez (and Leb) hit Israel with cluster munitions.

http://www.hrw.org/english/docs/2006/10/18/lebano14412.htm

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Advocate, When are you going to get your head out of the sand of deception?

From the BBC:

Dozens killed in Lebanon air raid
Lebanon described the bombing as a "heinous crime"

More than 54 civilians, at least 34 of them children, have been killed in a town in south Lebanon in the deadliest Israeli strike of the conflict so far.
Displaced families had been sheltering in the basement of a house in Qana, which was crushed after a direct hit.

You remind me of Bush: ready with the big lie. How do you look at yourself in the mirror? You well know that Israel dropped pamphlets in places at which civilians should evacuate. Israel never targeted civilians, unlike Hez and the Pals. Can't you admit the truth for once?

Lebanon's prime minister denounced "Israeli war criminals" and cancelled talks with the US secretary of state.

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Advocate wrote:

It is interesting how you anti-Israel, pro-Pal, dupes automatically conflate Hez and Hamas. Thus, you guys feel that it is terrible that Israel stands ready to defend itself, and even retaliate.

As you well know, Israel went to some lengths in Leb to avoid civilian casualties. Hez has always targeted civilians.

How does one square 'going to some lengths to avoid civilian casualties' with 'fired millions of cluster rounds into civilian areas?'

The two are not capable of both being true.

Cycloptichorn

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From your link:

Quote: ""We are disturbed to discover that not only Israel but also Hezbollah used cluster munitions in their recent conflict, at a time when many countries are turning away from this kind of weapon precisely because of its impact on civilians," said Steve Goose, director of Human Rights Watch's Arms Division. "Use of cluster munitions is never justified in civilian-populated areas because they are inaccurate and unreliable."

While it is not known when and how Hezbollah obtained these foreign-made cluster munitions, and while Hezbollah used far fewer cluster munitions than Israel did in the recent war, the new findings raise serious concerns about the proliferation of these weapons to non-state armed groups, as well as states."

Yeah, Israeli's are very "humane" when compared to Hez.

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While some here search for meaningful distinctions between the policies and intentions of the adversaries in this conflict, the numbers continue to speak rather eloquently for themselves. Taking Advocate at his word, one must conclude that, without intending to do so, the Israelis somehow kill several times as many Palestinians as do the Palestinians, who invariably act with deliberate premeditation in their killing of Israelis. Moreover this situation has persisted for many years.

Israel rationalizes this situation by insisting that only its uniformed military is a morally justifiable target of the Palestinian resistance, but that any Palestinian suspected of resistance is a suitable target for its attack or retaliation. Evidently Hezbollah applies the same standard with respect to Israelis.

It is difficult indeed to find consistent moral differences here.

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If Israelis were to stop retaliating against the Palestinian Arabs for their murder of Israeli children and adults, after a while those Palestinian Arabs murderers would stop murdering Israeli children and adults.

Why you may ask? The answer is obvious. Eventually all the Israeli children and adults would either be dead and not availble anymore to be murdered, or would have fled Palestine.

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Killing Jews is the raison d'etre for members of Hez and the various Pal terror groups.

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Advocate wrote:

Hez (and Leb) hit Israel with cluster munitions.

http://www.hrw.org/english/docs/2006/10/18/lebano14412.htm

Terrible. I find firing cluster bombs into civilian neighbourhoods reprehensible.

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Israel's cluster munitions were aimed at nonpopulated areas, where the bombs might limit use by Hez. Incidentially, Hez, like Pal groups, hid among civilians, which accounts for Leb's few civilian casuallties.

Hez never sought to avoid killing Israeli civilians.

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Advocate wrote:

Israel's cluster munitions were aimed at nonpopulated areas, where the bombs might limit use by Hez. Incidentially, Hez, like Pal groups, hid among civilians, which accounts for Leb's few civilian casuallties.

Let me try to understand what you're saying:

Those Hezbollah fighters all hid amongst the civilian population. However, Israel didn't fire at the Hezbollah fighters, but fired all those cluster bombs at unpopulated areas instead.

This precaution on the side of Israel resulted in 1,191 dead and 4,409 injured Lebanese civilians.

Correct?

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Advacate has a blind spot in his brain; he can't register all the innocents killed by the IDF>.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Advacate has a blind spot in his brain; he can't register all the innocents killed by the IDF>.

It's you who has the blind spot--or perhaps a rotten spot--in your brain.

All those alleged innocents killed by IDF would never have been killed had so many of those Palestinian Arabs not living in Israel NOT persisted in their despicable efforts to murder Israelis.

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ican711nm wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:
Advacate has a blind spot in his brain; he can't register all the innocents killed by the IDF>.

It's you who has the blind spot--or perhaps a rotten spot--in your brain.

All those alleged innocents killed by IDF would never have been killed had so many of those Palestinian Arabs not living in Israel NOT persisted in their despicable efforts to murder Israelis.

That's no excuse. They are still innocents. Women and children have died who had done nothing wrong. Is it their fault that others in their society have done terrible things?

Blood doesn't wash off with excuses, Ican.

Cycloptichorn

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According to ican, it's okay to kill innocents, and he's trying to imply that I have a rotten spot in my brain.

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

ican711nm wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
Advacate has a blind spot in his brain; he can't register all the innocents killed by the IDF>.

It's you who has the blind spot--or perhaps a rotten spot--in your brain.

All those alleged innocents killed by IDF would never have been killed had so many of those Palestinian Arabs not living in Israel NOT persisted in their despicable efforts to murder Israelis.

That's no excuse. They are still innocents. Women and children have died who had done nothing wrong. Is it their fault that others in their society have done terrible things?

Blood doesn't wash off with excuses, Ican.

Cycloptichorn

Why not tell the those Arab others that "blood doesn't wash off with excuses," Cyclop? They are the ones primarily responsible for both the deaths they perpetrate against the Israelis and the Arab deaths the Israelis inadvertently cause in their efforts to stop those Arab others from killing Israelis.

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ican711nm wrote:

Why not tell the those Arab others that "blood doesn't wash off with excuses,"

Ah, but that's what people are doing. Isn't that why Human Rights Watch is pointing out the fact that Hezbollah hit Israel with cluster munitions?

The essential question is: is killing civilians with cluster bombs always a crime, or is it, under certain circumstances, justifiable?

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