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ISRAEL - IRAN - SYRIA - HAMAS - HEZBOLLAH - WWWIII?

 
 
mysteryman
 
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Reply Mon 17 Dec, 2007 09:45 am
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"The Arabs are Donkeys and Beasts"
"The nation of Israel is pure and the Arabs are a nation of donkeys. They are an evil disaster, an evil devil, and a nasty affliction. The Arabs are donkeys and beasts. They want to take our girls. They are endowed with true filthiness. There is pure and there is impure and they are impure."

--Rabbi David Batzri, head of the Magen David Yeshiva in Jerusalem [Israeli newspaper Haaretz, March 21, 2006]

"One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail."
Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994 [N.Y. Times, Feb. 28, 1994, p. 1]


Now you are guilty of what you accuse others of.
You take statements from a radical rabbi and assume that he speaks for all of Israel.

He doesnt speak for all of Israel, he speaks for himself.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Mon 17 Dec, 2007 09:51 am
I can understand why the rabbi was motivated to make those crazy statements. Everyone in Israel knows someone (usually a child or other noncombatant) who was blown up or otherwise murdered by the Pals. Any of us under those circumstances would lose perspective.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 17 Dec, 2007 10:11 am
Advocate wrote:
I can understand why the rabbi was motivated to make those crazy statements. Everyone in Israel knows someone (usually a child or other noncombatant) who was blown up or otherwise murdered by the Pals. Any of us under those circumstances would lose perspective.


That's assuming that the Rabbis in question said the words attributed to them at all. I have never heard a Rabbi speak that way, and I dare say it would be highly unusual for a Rabbi to speak that way in public, at least within earshot of the media. Most Rabbis have better political instincts than that.

I think quotations from highly anti-Semitic sites dedicated to accusing the Jews of all manners of atrocities should be taken with a hefty shot of salt when there isn't anything else to back them up.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 17 Dec, 2007 02:20 pm
Palestinians raise $7.4 billion By ANNE GEARAN, AP Diplomatic Writer
29 minutes ago



Led by Europe, international donors on Monday pledged $7.4 billion over three years to help stateless Palestinians as new peace talks begin with Israel, yet old Mideast fights over disputed land and freedom of movement shadowed the largest show of support for the Palestinians in more than a decade.

World leaders at the conference urged Israel to ease limits on Palestinian movement in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, following up on a warning from the World Bank that without an easing of the sweeping physical and administrative restrictions donors may be wasting their money.

Israel has been reluctant to lift scores of roadblocks in the West Bank, many of them put there by the Israeli military amid the street violence and suicide bombings by Palestinian militants that followed collapse of the last peace talks seven years ago.

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas used the session to demand that Israel freeze Jewish settlements without excuses or exception. Palestinians are outraged by Israel's announcement, within days of the formal start of the new peace effort at a U.S.-backed peace conference last month, that it planned hundreds of new Jewish houses in the West Bank.

"It's the moment of truth," Abbas told some 90 donor countries and international organizations gathered Monday in Paris. "I'll be eager to implement all our commitments," Abbas said, and "I expect them to stop all settlement activities, without exceptions."

West Bank settlements are an emotional issue on both sides, and a practical problem for peacemakers trying to draw boundaries of a Palestinian state by the end of 2008. Additional Jewish homes on land claimed by the Palestinians complicate the task, and the latest announcement from Israel has undermined Palestinian confidence in the infant talks.

It was the first meeting for Israelis and Palestinians since peace talks formally began with a brief, rancorous session last week.

Israel pledged no money, but the chief Israeli negotiator outlined hopes for cooperation with Palestinians.

"We need you to know that Palestinian welfare and Israeli security are not competing interests; they are interconnected ones," Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni told delegates. "We have no desire to control Palestinian lives. We do not want the image of Israel in the Palestinian mind to be a soldier at a checkpoint."

International peacemakers meeting on the sidelines of the conference said movement must be freer and expressed dismay at the new housing plan. The group that includes the United Nations, United States, European Union and Russia also said the humanitarian situation in the sealed-off Gaza Strip is urgent.Israel and Egypt sharply restricted border access in response, and the blockade has further deepened poverty there.
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Associated Press Writers Karin Laub and Jamey Keaten contributed to this report.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 17 Dec, 2007 03:27 pm
mysteryman wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
Welcome to the World's First Online Holocaust Museum

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"The Arabs are Donkeys and Beasts"
"The nation of Israel is pure and the Arabs are a nation of donkeys. They are an evil disaster, an evil devil, and a nasty affliction. The Arabs are donkeys and beasts. They want to take our girls. They are endowed with true filthiness. There is pure and there is impure and they are impure."

--Rabbi David Batzri, head of the Magen David Yeshiva in Jerusalem [Israeli newspaper Haaretz, March 21, 2006]

"One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail."
Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994 [N.Y. Times, Feb. 28, 1994, p. 1]


Now you are guilty of what you accuse others of.
You take statements from a radical rabbi and assume that he speaks for all of Israel.

He doesnt speak for all of Israel, he speaks for himself.


A single voice can be factual. It's up to you to show what he said is wrong. You do understand logic, don't you?
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 17 Dec, 2007 07:08 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
ican711nm wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
ican: You oppose an ethnocentric culture for Israel, but don't appear to oppose the same for Arabs.


What are you talking about? Which Arab country had another majority where a minority came in and declared war on the majority?

What are you talking about? I'm talking about the Palestine problem and the history of both the Arabs and Jews in Palestine. The Arabs in Palestine have pursued an ethnocentric Arab culture in all of Palestine at least since 1920. You ignore or say nothing about that fact, while you criticise the Jews for pursuing an ethnocentric Jewish culture in only a part of Palestine. Strangely, you also ignore the fact that Israel is not even close to an ethnocentric Jewish culture. There are over a million Arabs today inside Israel living their own culture.

In 1948, the Arabs, a majority at that time, not only declared war against a minority of Jews at that time, they waged war against a minority of Jews at that time. After that, the Jews in Palestine behaved as if they feared Arabs might do that again. The Arabs did that several times since. The Jews fears have been validated many times.

Now if I were a Jew living in Palestine, I'd fear that the Arabs will any time they can wage war against Israel, will wage war against Israel. Consequently, I would also conclude that the Arabs are the ethnocentric devils in Palestine, and not the Jews. In Palestine, it is an ethnocentric majority waging war against a somewhat ethnocentric minority. Along came 1967, and that partially ethnocentric minority was afraid the Arabs were about to be at it again. So they launch pre-emptive strikes against the countries whose troops are massing on their borders. It wasn't paranoid fear that governed the Jews' fears then. It was reality fear that governed the Jews fear in 1967 and ever since.


You speak from total ignorance. Look back on Palestine's history when the Zionists waged war against the Palestinians to chase them out of their own country.

When did the Zionists wage war against the Palestinians to chase them out of their own country? Before or after 1947?

The Encyclopedia Britannica, "Palestine," is my source.[/I][/b]
Quote:
7800 BC:First building structures.
7000 BC:First Jerico fortifications.
2000 BC:First Canaanite Culture.
1400 BC:Eqypt conquers Palestine

1300 BC:First Israelite Culture.

1100 BC:First Philistine Culture (Philistra, evolved to the name Palestine).

Jews start ruling part of Palestine

1000 BC:Saul King of Israel (all Palestine except Philistra and Phoenicia).
950 BC:Solomon King of Israel.
721 BC:Israel Destroyed, but Judaea Continued.
516 BC:2nd Temple in Judaea.
333 BC:The Greek, Alexander the Great Conquers Palestine.

Jews stop ruling part of Palestine.


161 BC:Maccabaen Maximum Expansion of Judaea to All Palestine Plus.

Jews start ruling Palestine.

135 BC:Maccabaen Maximum Expansion Ends.
40 BC:The Roman, Herod Conquers Palestine.
73 AD:Fall of Jerusalem to the Romans and all resistance ceases.

Jews stop ruling part of Palestine.

638 AD:Arabs take Jerusalem.

Arabs start ruling part of Palestine.

1099 AD:Crusaders take Palestine.

Arabs stop ruling part of Palestine.

1187 AD:Saladin Takes Palestine.
1229 AD:Saladin/Crusader Treaty.
1244 AD:Turks Take Palestine.
1516 AD:Ottoman Empire Begins Governing Palestine.
1831 AD:Egypt Conquers Palestine.
1841 AD:Ottoman Empire Again Conquers Palestine.
1915 AD:British Ambassador to Egypt Promises Palestine to Arabs.
1917 AD:British Foreign Minister Balfour Promises Palestine to Zionists.
1918 AD:Ottoman Empire Ends Control of Palestine.
1918 AD:British Protectorate of Palestine Begins.
1920 AD:5 Jews killed 200 wounded in anti-zionist riots in Palestine.
1921 AD:46 Jews killed 146 wounded in anti-zionist riots in Palestine.
1929 AD:133 Jews killed 339 wounded
1929 AD:116 Arabs killed 232 wounded.
1936,38,39 AD:329 Jews killed 857 wounded
1936,38,39 AD:3,112 Arabs killed 1,775 wounded
1936,38,39 AD:135 Brits killed 386 wounded.
1936,38,39 AD:110 Arabs hanged 5,679 jailed.
1944 AD:Jews murdered Lord Moyne.
1947 AD:UN resolution advocates the partitioning of Palestine into a Jewish and an Arab State.
1948 AD:Civil war breaks out between Jews and Arabs.
1948 AD:State of Israel conquers part of Palestine.

Jews start ruling part of Palestine; and, Arabs start ruling part of Palestine.

Quote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism
Zionism is an international political movement that supports a homeland for the Jewish People in the Land of Israel.[1] Although its origins are earlier, the movement was formally established by Austrian journalist Theodor Herzl in the late nineteenth century. The international movement was eventually successful in establishing the State of Israel in 1948, as the world's first and only modern Jewish State. It continues primarily as support for the state and government of Israel and its continuing status as a homeland for the Jewish people.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Mon 17 Dec, 2007 07:35 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
Welcome to the World's First Online Holocaust Museum

Founded in 1996

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Volume I: 1996 to July, 2006



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"The Arabs are Donkeys and Beasts"
"The nation of Israel is pure and the Arabs are a nation of donkeys. They are an evil disaster, an evil devil, and a nasty affliction. The Arabs are donkeys and beasts. They want to take our girls. They are endowed with true filthiness. There is pure and there is impure and they are impure."

--Rabbi David Batzri, head of the Magen David Yeshiva in Jerusalem [Israeli newspaper Haaretz, March 21, 2006]

"One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail."
Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994 [N.Y. Times, Feb. 28, 1994, p. 1]


Now you are guilty of what you accuse others of.
You take statements from a radical rabbi and assume that he speaks for all of Israel.

He doesnt speak for all of Israel, he speaks for himself.


A single voice can be factual. It's up to you to show what he said is wrong. You do understand logic, don't you?


OK, lets prove him wrong.

Lets look at the first line

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Quote:
The nation of Israel is pure and the Arabs are a nation of donkeys


How is that possible?
Israel is full of immigrants from all over the world, so it is an impossibility for them to be "pure" either in bloodline or religious views.
There are christians and muslims living in Israel also, so its not a pure jewish nation.
So that first statement is wrong.

Next line...

Quote:
They are an evil disaster, an evil devil, and a nasty affliction.


Again, not true.
Look at the history of the arab world and their contributions too society.

I can go on, but you know that the rabbi that supposedly made this comment is wrong.

But you apparently agree with hisa statement, or you wouldnt have posted it.
Remember Cyclo's rule...

Quote:
He was merely pointing out that posting an article, and then pretending that you aren't endorsing what it says, is a bullsh*t excuse...thus saith Cyclo


So since you posted it, you must agree with the sentiments spoken by that rabbi.

Nice of you to finally admit how much of a racist you are.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 17 Dec, 2007 08:38 pm
mm, Your statements to refute what the rabbi said is not proof he didn't make those statements.

It's not a matter of whether I believe what the rabbi said; it proves that (some) Jews believe they are above Arabs as nonhumans, and justifies their elimination.

Sharon's past isn't pure either; and he's said nasty things about the Arabs too. He wanted no Arabs in Palestine.

I'd be more than happy to search the web to prove this point.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 17 Dec, 2007 08:40 pm
It's about mind-set and motivation early in the conflict between the Zionists and Palestinians.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 17 Dec, 2007 08:45 pm
Israel's Apartheid Wall: Blind Ambition
by Jonathan Winters
Everyone's probably aware of the most visible sign of Ariel Sharon's attitude towards co-existence on an equal footing with the Palestinians: the security wall between centers of Palestinian populations and Israel.
The barrier is composed of both barbed wire fences in some sections, towering concrete blocks in others. The surveyors have essentially confiscated Palestinian property beyond the Green Line (Israel's pre-1967 border) which will be de facto incorporated into Israel when the construction is complete. Sharon announced during his last trip to Washington that he would not compromise on the wall in negotiations related to the "Road Map" that supposedly will produce a Palestinian state in 2005.
The apartheid experienced everyday by the Palestinians of course has not just begun: this is simply the climax of a sustained effort to subordinate the inhabitants of the West Bank and Gaza to Israeli priorities. Hundreds of thousands of people in the occupied territories depend either on jobs in Israel or employment in Israeli businesses located beyond the Green Line for their livelihood. The abuse of this dependency cuts both ways: Palestinian laborers are given the lowest paying jobs and oftentimes have no place to file grievances about unsafe or unacceptable working conditions; on the other hand, they are shut up like caged animals in overpopulated Palestinian cities whenever Israel imposes a work-stoppage due to a suicide attack on Israeli civilians or some other pretext. This environment breeds a certain fatalism that manifests itself in suicide bombers and makes the organization and functioning of civil society an uphill battle everyday.

For Sharon, the Palestinians are insects. He now wants them, impelled by anger and frustration, to smash themselves against the Wall (security barrier sounds like a screw-job, unconscionable euphemism). Combined with the fuelling of settlement growth and the theft of Palestinian natural resources to sustain it, the goal is to force the Palestinians to say uncle and either leave Palestine altogether or accept Bantustan, subordinate status in an Israel dominated by settlers, reactionary orthodox religious parties, and the greedy and tacky capitalist elite tied to the military (and who could be more tacky, reactionary, and greedy than Ariel Sharon and Benyamin Netanyahu).
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 17 Dec, 2007 09:10 pm
This one is long, but worth the read.


Same Old Shellgame
What Sharon Wants, Sharon Gets
By KATHLEEN CHRISTISON

The Israeli cabinet's highly qualified acceptance on Sunday of the "roadmap" to peace between Israel and the Palestinians is likely to mean the final derailment of this latest in a line of misbegotten peace plans. Just a random sampling of the Sunday morning talk shows demonstrates why this perverse reality is so.

Reacting to the Israeli cabinet's twelve-seven vote (with four abstentions) in favor of the roadmap, but taking no note of the crippling preconditions imposed on Israel's adherence to the peace plan, Fox News Sunday host Tony Snow asked Senator Joseph Lieberman if he did not agree that the Bush administration should now ignore the other members of the Quartet altogether (the others being the European Union, the UN, and Russia) and go ahead with the roadmap in whatever way the administration saw fit; the U.S. should simply assert its prerogative as principal peace broker. "Well, yes," Lieberman responded, in a tone implying that the answer was so obvious the question need not have been asked. The Israelis mistrust the rest of the Quartet, Lieberman observed, and if we expect Israel to make peace we have to accommodate its concerns.

Period. Whatever Sharon wants Sharon gets.

Later, on Wolf Blitzer's Late Edition on CNN, Blitzer asked Representative Tom Lantos about the impact of the Israeli cabinet's rejection, as a condition for accepting the roadmap, of any consideration of a Palestinian right of return. With a figurative wave of his hand, Lantos dismissed the right of return as a spurious demand. The bulk of Palestinian refugees never lived in what is now Israel in the first place, he said; most of the refugees are descendants of the original refugees. And in any case, the right of return has never been considered a serious part of the negotiating process.

At least not by Tom Lantos or the Israelis. Whatever Sharon wants Sharon gets.

Simultaneously with these Israel-is-good, Palestinians-are-bad pronouncements by the congress members and the media outlets who essentially control what Americans know about the peace process, the Israeli peace group Gush Shalom, led by Uri Avnery, issued a newsletter discussing what is really going on in Israel and Palestine, significantly entitled "Behind the Diplomatic Moves: Intensified Assault on Peace Activists." Noting that Sharon's acceptance of the roadmap is so heavily cratered with caveats as to be devoid of any meaning, Gush Shalom writes about what Israel is actually doing on the peace front: ongoing raids, killings, and curfews throughout the occupied territories; a stepped-up offensive against all peace and human rights activists, whether Israeli, Palestinian, or international; continuing arrests and expulsions; the barring of humanitarian aid and development workers from reaching projects in Palestinian territories.

While the United States congratulates Sharon for his statesmanship, the Israel campaign to fence in those small areas of the West Bank that might be given over to some measure of Palestinian control continues with the construction, on devastated Palestinian agricultural land, of a massive apartheid wall that will mark out the huge settlement blocs and vast expanses of Palestinian land that Israel intends to retain. While the U.S. praises Sharon's vision, the Israeli campaign to destroy Palestinian national existence and Palestinian identity continues. While the U.S. bends over backward to accommodate Israel's demands, the Israeli campaign to silence the witnesses to its depredations against Palestinians, which began with the killing of Rachel Corrie on March 16, continues in numerous ways.

Oblivious to these concrete indications of Sharon's attitude toward making peace with the Palestinians, the U.S. media and most commentators have been concentrating on Israeli rhetoric, hailing the cabinet decision on the roadmap as a "dramatic breakthrough," highly significant because it is the first-ever official Israeli acceptance of the notion of Palestinian statehood. Although the media generally note the Israeli reservations, these are downplayed in the rush to highlight the supposed breakthrough. Few note that Ariel Sharon has long spoken of accepting a so-called Palestinian "state," but a state so truncated (encompassing only about 40 percent of the West Bank in multiple small disconnected segments, including none of Jerusalem, and completely surrounded by Israeli territory) that it would be a travesty of commonly accepted notions of independence and sovereignty. There is nothing in the Israeli cabinet decision or in Sharon's personal "commitment" to the roadmap to indicate that his destructive view of Palestinian nationhood and the right to statehood has changed.

Not surprisingly, media outside the United States seem to be taking a more sober and realistic approach to the Israeli decision. The Canadian television network NWI reported the decision on Sunday as being so heavily freighted with reservations as to raise serious doubts about the fate of the roadmap. No such skepticism mars the U.S. media's rapturous reporting. Even the Israeli media is more realistic. The Israeli daily Ha'aretz bases all of its reporting and commentary on the underlying assumption that Sharon and Israel are not serious about implementing the roadmap and are simply maneuvering to delay implementation and avoid any confrontation with a U.S. administration momentarily animated by the idea of pursuing a peace process.

Because the Bush administration, the media, and Congress are all so eager to believe the best about any Israeli government, Sharon, brilliant strategist that he is, has maneuvered them into thinking that he has taken a major step toward accepting real Palestinian statehood and that all now depends on Palestinian good will. Sharon has put himself forth as the moderate in the Israeli establishment fending off his virulently anti-Palestinian, transfer-minded extremist colleagues but unable to get too far out in front of them for fear of arousing their extreme rightwing settler constituencies. In fact, he is only more pragmatic, not more moderate, than the hardliners in his cabinet. His goals are the same: perpetual Israeli domination of the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem; never agreeing to relinquish any territory except possibly for temporary tactical reasons; and squeezing the Palestinians so hard that they will eventually leave or, perhaps in an unguarded moment when the world is not looking, can be forcibly expelled. His stated goal for decades has been moving the locus for any Palestinian state, if there must be one, across the Jordan River to Jordan.

Through his pragmatic approach, Sharon has succeeded for now in diverting pressure on himself to dismantle outpost settlements and freeze other settlement activity, as called for by the roadmap, and has placed the ball back in the Palestinian court. In fact, the Palestinians have already lost this game. Mahmoud Abbas will not be able to control terrorism, and Israel will interpret any further terrorism as license to ignore its own obligations under the roadmap. Even if Abbas does negotiate some sort of cease-fire with Hamas and other militant organizations, Israel will undoubtedly be ready and willing to conduct some assassination operation or raid that will provoke more terrorism. This has occurred repeatedly during Sharon's two-plus years in office, and the Israeli provocations since the roadmap was released less than a month ago are numerous enough to be counted on the fingers of two hands.

Even were the roadmap not badly flawed, and unburdened by Israel's now-official reservations, the Israeli demand that the Palestinians drop their insistence on recognition of a right of return would be a deal breaker. For the Palestinians, the right of return is a matter of principle as much as or more than it is a literal demand. The Palestinian leadership does not demand an unrestricted right for millions of refugees to return to Israel and has frequently spelled out a range of acceptable alternatives. But some acknowledgement by Israel that it played a role in the creation of the refugee problem is essential from the Palestinian standpoint. In concrete terms, they want assurance that all refugees will be accommodated in some way, by being offered a choice either to return in limited numbers to Israel or to be resettled somewhere, either in a new Palestinian state or in some third country, and compensated for lost homes and property. The Palestinian leadership recognizes Israel's demographic concerns and is prepared to accommodate Israel's fear of being swamped by large numbers of non-Jews. Palestinian officials, including Yasir Arafat himself, who wrote a New York Times op-ed last year expressing understanding for Israel's demographic fears, have frequently stated explicitly that the problem must be resolved in a way that does not affect the Jewish character of Israel.

But the problem must also be addressed in a way that does not simply ignore the refugees' needs. The refugees' situation is so fundamental to the roots of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, and is such a festering issue for the Palestinians themselves, that any final peace agreement that did not accommodate their needs in some satisfactory way would be no final agreement at all but merely a new source of conflict. If the Palestinian leadership today accepts the Israeli objections and simply continues negotiations without explicitly reiterating its demand that this issue be addressed, it will destroy its own legitimacy in the eyes of the Palestinian people and will ultimately be undermining its own negotiating position. For "going along" silently now and tacitly accepting the Israeli rejection will mean that, if negotiations ever come to deal with final-status issues, the Palestinians cannot again raise the right of return; the world will have come to accept that the leadership forfeited this right when talks on the roadmap began.

Essentially, Sharon has maneuvered a compliant United States into a situation in which he has carte blanche to do whatever he wants with the roadmap. The U.S. has all it needs from him in the form of a pro forma acceptance of its peace plan, and it will now accommodate him completely, because in the end the primary US interest, among Bush administration policymakers, in Congress, among most of the media, and among the uncaring public, lies less in forging a genuine (that is, a just and therefore a stable) peace between Israel and the Palestinians than simply in enabling and guaranteeing whatever the government of Israel wants.

Kathleen Christison also worked in the CIA, retiring in 1979. Since then she has been mainly preoccupied by the issue of Palestine. She is the author of Perceptions of Palestine and The Wound of Dispossession.

She can be reached at: [email protected]
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 18 Dec, 2007 12:18 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
This one is long, but worth the read.

Same Old Shellgame
What Sharon Wants, Sharon Gets
By KATHLEEN CHRISTISON

...

Even were the roadmap not badly flawed, and unburdened by Israel's now-official reservations, the Israeli demand that the Palestinians drop their insistence on recognition of a right of return would be a deal breaker. For the Palestinians, the right of return is a matter of principle as much as or more than it is a literal demand. The Palestinian leadership does not demand an unrestricted right for millions of refugees to return to Israel and has frequently spelled out a range of acceptable alternatives. But some acknowledgement by Israel that it played a role in the creation of the refugee problem is essential from the Palestinian standpoint. In concrete terms, they want assurance that all refugees will be accommodated in some way, by being offered a choice either to return in limited numbers to Israel or to be resettled somewhere, either in a new Palestinian state or in some third country, and compensated for lost homes and property. The Palestinian leadership recognizes Israel's demographic concerns and is prepared to accommodate Israel's fear of being swamped by large numbers of non-Jews. Palestinian officials, including Yasir Arafat himself, who wrote a New York Times op-ed last year expressing understanding for Israel's demographic fears, have frequently stated explicitly that the problem must be resolved in a way that does not affect the Jewish character of Israel.

...

Kathleen Christison also worked in the CIA, retiring in 1979. Since then she has been mainly preoccupied by the issue of Palestine. She is the author of Perceptions of Palestine and The Wound of Dispossession.

She can be reached at: [email protected]


"the Israeli demand that the Palestinians drop their insistence on recognition of a right of return would be a deal breaker."

Another "would be deal breaker" is the Palestinian's continuous failure to comply with the UN's 1947 resolution by recognizing Israel's right to exist.

"some acknowledgement by Israel that it played a role in the creation of the refugee problem is essential from the Palestinian standpoint."

The refugee problem was caused in 1948, after Israel declared its independence, by the Arab's rejection of the UN's 1947 resolution, by the Arab's rejection of Israel's declaration of independence, by the Arab's rejection of Israel's right to exist, and by the Arabs waging war on Israel in 1948 and frequently thereafter. Therefore, unconditional acknowledgement by the Palestinian Arabs that they played the primary role in the creation of the refugee problem, is (or should be) essential from the Israeli standpoint.
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revel
 
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Reply Mon 24 Dec, 2007 12:37 pm
Because Israel said so it must be so. Rolling Eyes

Israel upholds use of cluster bombs

Quote:
JERUSALEM - Israeli military prosecutors have decided not to take any legal action over Israel's use of cluster bombs during last year's war in Lebanon, the army said Monday, closing an investigation into a practice that has drawn heavy criticism from the U.N. and international human rights groups.

The investigation determined that Israel's use of the weapons, which open in flight and scatter dozens of bomblets, was a "concrete military necessity" and did not violate international humanitarian law.


Never mind the destruction they left behind.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/07/middle_east_enl_1172139526/img/1.jpg


source and story of the picture

And the danger still continues from the unexploded cluster bombs left all over Lebanon.

Quote:
They say as many as 1 million bomblets failed to explode and now endanger civilians. More than 30 people have been killed by cluster bomb and land mine explosions in Lebanon since the 2006 summer war.


(from the link above in the article)
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Advocate
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2008 11:15 am
The bomblets are a great reminder to not mess with Israel.

Goulish bastards:

Hezbollah: We have Israelis' body parts


Published: 01/03/2008


Hezbollah says it has the body parts of Israeli military casualties in Lebanon and would return them as part of a prisoner swap.

After months out of the public eye, Hezbollah chief Sheik Hassan Nasrallah gave a television interview late Wednesday in which he was asked about Israel's efforts to retrieve two soldiers abducted by his militia in July 2006.

"We have the body parts belonging to Israeli soldiers which remained on Lebanese soil, as well as the captives Goldwasser and Regev, and I am prepared to discuss returning the body parts in the framework of the current talks," Nasrallah told Lebanon's NBN station.

Hezbollah wants to trade Ehud Goldwasser and Eldad Regev for Arab terrorists jailed in Israel, and the sides have been negotiating over a possible deal via foreign mediators. Nasrallah's revelation about the body parts appeared to be a bid to press Israel into wrapping up a deal.

"Recently we have seen a negative downturn and foot dragging in Israel's stance," he said. "Only in another two or three weeks will we know if Israel is serious."
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2008 11:22 am
Advocate wrote:
The bomblets are a great reminder to not mess with Israel.

Goulish bastards:

Hezbollah: We have Israelis' body parts


Published: 01/03/2008


Hezbollah says it has the body parts of Israeli military casualties in Lebanon and would return them as part of a prisoner swap.

After months out of the public eye, Hezbollah chief Sheik Hassan Nasrallah gave a television interview late Wednesday in which he was asked about Israel's efforts to retrieve two soldiers abducted by his militia in July 2006.

"We have the body parts belonging to Israeli soldiers which remained on Lebanese soil, as well as the captives Goldwasser and Regev, and I am prepared to discuss returning the body parts in the framework of the current talks," Nasrallah told Lebanon's NBN station.

Hezbollah wants to trade Ehud Goldwasser and Eldad Regev for Arab terrorists jailed in Israel, and the sides have been negotiating over a possible deal via foreign mediators. Nasrallah's revelation about the body parts appeared to be a bid to press Israel into wrapping up a deal.

"Recently we have seen a negative downturn and foot dragging in Israel's stance," he said. "Only in another two or three weeks will we know if Israel is serious."


Yeah, those little kids who are killed by the cluster bombs will learn a great lesson, won't they?

Your attitude is rather barbaric; you just don't care if kids get killed.

Cycloptichorn
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Advocate
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2008 11:27 am
The media is saying that Hez also used cluster bombs. Moreover, there is no question that they targeted civilians in Northern Israel with rocket warheads filled with nails and other cruel niceties.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2008 11:29 am
Advocate wrote:
The media is saying that Hez also used cluster bombs. Moreover, there is no question that they targeted civilians in Northern Israel with rocket warheads filled with nails and other cruel niceties.


Yes, but Israel is supposed to be the good guys, according to you. It doesn't make them seem like the good guys when they use barbaric tactics that the bad guys use. It makes it seem as if there's no difference.

I have never seen evidence that Hezbollah used cluster bombs; which media reported this?

Cycloptichorn
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2008 11:48 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Advocate wrote:
The media is saying that Has also used cluster bombs. Moreover, there is no question that they targeted civilians in Northern Israel with rocket warheads filled with nails and other cruel niceties.


Yes, but Israel is supposed to be the good guys, according to you. It doesn't make them seem like the good guys when they use barbaric tactics that the bad guys use. It makes it seem as if there's no difference.

I have never seen evidence that Hezbollah used cluster bombs; which media reported this?

Cycloptichorn


Advocate is an apologist for the Israelis; he imagines things that attempts to balance their aggression and apartheid by saying things he can't support with credible sources.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2008 11:48 am
It was a nasty war, and Israel values the lives of its soldiers, et al. Life is cheap to Hez.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2008 11:50 am
Advocate wrote:
It was a nasty war, and Israel values the lives of its soldiers, et al. Life is cheap to Hez.


Life is cheap to Israel as well. You didn't deny that they are using the same sort of barbaric tactics that you castigate others for. Be honest.

Cycloptichorn
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