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You ought to think about your hatred of Israel and Jews, which makes you distort the facts in Israel and Pal.

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Advocate wrote:

You ought to think about your hatred of Israel and Jews, which makes you distort the facts in Israel and Pal.

You need to see yourself when you accuse others of "hating Jews and Israel." If that's the best you can do, you haven't learned anything about the facts of a country you so blindly defend.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Advocate wrote:
You ought to think about your hatred of Israel and Jews, which makes you distort the facts in Israel and Pal.

You need to see yourself when you accuse others of "hating Jews and Israel." If that's the best you can do, you haven't learned anything about the facts of a country you so blindly defend.

It is a true fact that those Arabs in Palestine not in Israel's part of Palestine, are worse off than those Arabs living in Israel.

This true fact is due primarily to the failure of the Palestinian Arabs to form their own state not committed to ending the existence of Israel. Not until the civilized members of the non-Israeli Palestinian Arabs gain control of their state, and are committed to Israel's continued existence, will they be able to better their own condition.

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ican, You could also benefit from reading the National Geographic article on Bethlehem.

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CI, you previously referred to Pal-Israelis. Boy, you are a moving target. What is it?

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Advocate wrote:

CI, you previously referred to Pal-Israelis. Boy, you are a moving target. What is it?

I don't believe I ever used that term, but please show me where I made that quote?>

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All you need to do is click on the following link.

http://magma.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/2007-12/bethlehem/finkel-text.html

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Advicate, Get a hold of the current National Geographic magazine, and turn to page 58. Read that article, and tell us you're willing to submit yourself to a life like the Palestinians in Israel?

So, to whom are you referring?

I am sure that the Pals in Hebron are doing better than the Jews who previously lived there for hundreds of years. They were all massacred by the Arabs.

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The Pals are in a sad situation, but they brought it on themselves. They would do 1,000 percent better if they learned to live with Jews and Christians.

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Advcate, Your ability look at history while ignoring the current status of Palestinians in Israel is telling. One can look back at history to find atrocitities committed by most countries that had a navy. Germany exterminated four million Jews; they are one of our strongest allies today. Japan committed atrocities ranked about the most atrocious in history; they are also one of our strongest ally.

Learn a bit of history and humility; it'll do you good.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Advcate, Your ability look at history while ignoring the current status of Palestinians in Israel is telling. One can look back at history to find atrocitities committed by most countries that had a navy. Germany exterminated four million Jews; they are one of our strongest allies today. Japan committed atrocities ranked about the most atrocious in history; they are also one of our strongest ally.

Learn a bit of history and humility; it'll do you good.

Cice, I think it is you who needs a history lesson.

We first had to conquer Japan and Germany before we could help them reform themselves. Likewise, if the Palestinian Arabs continue to fail to accept the UN's resolution calling for two and not one nation state in Palestine, the ultimate course for the Israelis is to conquer all of Palestine and then help them reform themselves. Also at that point, the Israelis would then have nothing to fear from accepting the UN resolution to allow Palestinian Arabs, who originally fled Israel prior to the Arab attack on Israel in 1948, to return to Israel.

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ican, You are an idiot first class; you don't promote democracy by subjugating the others in your country. You create hatred and suicde bombers.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

All you need to do is click on the following link.

http://magma.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/2007-12/bethlehem/finkel-text.html

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A large majority of these Palestinians were requested to leave by the Arabs about to attack Israel Many relocated to the West Bank of the Jordan River, administered by Jordan, or the Gaza Strip, governed by Egypt. These were the first Palestinian refugees.

Then, in 1967, Israel defeated the about to attack

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cicerone imposter wrote:

ican, You are an idiot first class; you don't promote democracy by subjugating the others in your country. You create hatred and suicde bombers.

The WWII allies did promote democracy in Germany and Japan by first conquering them ... all of them. Then the allies occupied all of both countries. Then the allies helped the people of these countries civilize themselves. Then the allies stopped their occupations of both countries.

Unless the non-Israeli Arabs in Palestine accept Israel's existance in Palestine, to civilize the Arabs in Palestine, the Israelis must do in all of Palestine, what the allies did in WWII and after in all of Germany and Japan. That is, they will have to conquer all of Palestine and then help the non-Israeli Arabs in Palestine civilize themselves. Then stop occupying that part of Palestine they did not occupy prior to the 1967 war.

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After the war, the US helped those countries with rebuilding and support for democracy. Israel? Subjugation and aparthied.

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ican your letting your nose drop; You said, if effect, that the US allowed/encouraged the Germans/Japanese and, Israel, hopefully, will allow the Palestinians to become civilized.
1. To raise from barbarism to an enlightened stage of development; bring out of a primitive or savage state.
2. To educate in matters of culture and refinement; make more polished or sophisticated.
If you are serious with your statements, you prove conclusively your total ignorance of the world you live in.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

After the war, the US helped those countries with rebuilding and support for democracy. Israel? Subjugation and aparthied.

Israel has not yet conquered all of Palestine. It cannot help non-Israeli Palestinian Arabs rebuild and be supported for democracy until either:
(1) the non-Israeli Palestinian Arabs choose to accept Israel's right to exist; or
(2) the Israelis conquer all of Palestine.

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dyslexia wrote:

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ican ... You said, [in] effect, that the US allowed/encouraged the Germans/Japanese and, Israel, hopefully, will allow the Palestinians to become civilized.
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I actually wrote:
(1) help them reform themselves;
(2) helped the people of these countries civilize themselves;
(3) help non-Israeli Palestinian Arabs rebuild and be supported for democracy;
(4) help the non-Israeli Arabs in Palestine civilize themselves.

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ican711nm wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:
After the war, the US helped those countries with rebuilding and support for democracy. Israel? Subjugation and aparthied.

Israel has not yet conquered all of Palestine. It cannot help non-Israeli Palestinian Arabs rebuild and be supported for democracy until either:
(1) the non-Israeli Palestinian Arabs choose to accept Israel's right to exist; or
(2) the Israelis conquer all of Palestine.

Have you ever visited Israel? Evidently not///1 Palestinians in Israel are subjugated in their own country; generations have lived there - much longer than many immigrants invited by the Jewish state to take over Palestinuan land. You are a sorry excuse for a human.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

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Have you ever visited Israel? Evidently not///1 Palestinians in Israel are subjugated in their own country; generations have lived there - much longer than many immigrants invited by the Jewish state to take over Palestinuan land. ...

I have never visited Israel, but I have discussed with many of those who have visited Israel their view of how the Israeli Arabs are being treated by the Israeli Jews. Without exception they see no difference between how the Israeli Jews treat the Israeli Jews and how they treat the Israeli Arabs.

Palestine stopped being an Arab country in 1099. The residents of Palestine--including all resident Arabs and all resident Jews--have from that time forward been governed by those who were neither Arabs or Jews.

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333 BC:The Greek, Alexander the Great Conquers Palestine.
Jews stop ruling any part of Palestine.
161 BC:Maccabaen Maximum Expansion of Judaea to All Palestine Plus.
Jews start ruling part of Palestine.
135 BC:Maccabaen Maximum Expansion Ends.
40 BC:The Roman, Herod Conquers Palestine.
73 AD:Fall of Jerusalem and all resistance ceases.
Jews stop ruling any part of Palestine.
638 AD:Arabs take Jerusalem.
Arabs start ruling part of Palestine.
1099 AD:Crusaders take Palestine.
Arabs stop ruling any part of Palestine.

1187 AD:Saladin Takes Palestine.
1229 AD:Saladin/Crusader Treaty.
1244 AD:Turks Take Palestine.
1516 AD:Ottoman Empire Begins Governing Palestine.
1831 AD:Egypt Conquers Palestine.
1841 AD:Ottoman Empire Again Conquers Palestine.
1915 AD:British Ambassador to Egypt Promises Palestine to Arabs.
1917 AD:British Foreign Minister Balfour Promises Palestine to Zionists.
1918 AD:Ottoman Empire Ends Control of Palestine.
1918 AD:British Protectorate of Palestine Begins.
1947 AD:UN resolution calls for partition of Palestine into a Jewish and an Arab State.
1948 AD: Jews declare Israel an independent state within Palestine.
1948 AD:Civil war breaks out between Jews and Arabs.
1948 AD:State of Israel conquers part of Palestine.
Jews start ruling part of Palestine; and, Arabs start ruling part of Palestine.

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