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ISRAEL - IRAN - SYRIA - HAMAS - HEZBOLLAH - WWWIII?

 
 
Advocate
 
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Reply Sat 1 Dec, 2007 01:08 pm
Should the Arab countries disarm, there would be peace in the Middle East. Should Israel disarm, there would be the destruction of Israel.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 1 Dec, 2007 01:13 pm
Advocate, Nobody is advocating the disarming of Israel. It's about providing the Palestinians with democracy; protection of their property, freedom of movement, and equal treatment under its laws.

Nobody would advocate for the disarming of the US. If they did, they would be seen as fools.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Sat 1 Dec, 2007 01:18 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Advocate, Nobody is advocating the disarming of Israel. It's about providing the Palestinians with democracy; protection of their property, freedom of movement, and equal treatment under its laws.

Nobody would advocate for the disarming of the US. If they did, they would be seen as fools.


What are you talking about? Pals in Israel always had those things. Those outside of Israel had them until after the '67 war. Before that, when Israelis had never set foot in Palestine, the Pals mounted hundreds of attacks on Israel.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 1 Dec, 2007 01:31 pm
Advocate wrote:

What are you talking about? Pals in Israel always had those things. Those outside of Israel had them until after the '67 war. Before that, when Israelis had never set foot in Palestine, the Pals mounted hundreds of attacks on Israel.


Did they live on clouds?
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 1 Dec, 2007 01:46 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Advocate, Nobody is advocating the disarming of Israel. It's about providing the Palestinians with democracy; protection of their property, freedom of movement, and equal treatment under its laws.



Nobody would advocate for the disarming of the US. If they did, they would be seen as fools.


Nobody would??
Wanna bet?

http://freepress.org/journal.php?strFunc=display&strID=19&strJournal=8

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcode.pl?frame=right2&type=srchres&case=/data/uscode/t21t25/2289.htm

Quote:
As used in this chapter -

(a) The terms ''arms control'' and ''disarmament'' mean the

identification, verification, inspection, limitation, control,

reduction, or elimination, of armed forces


http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcode.pl?frame=right2&type=srchres&case=/data/uscode/t21t25/2288.htm

http://www2.wcc-coe.org/iraqstatements.nsf/0/75ee207378911489c1256cfb005296f3?

OpenDocument

Quote:
We wonder whether the international community should propose another: to disarm the United States and all other States of weapons of mass destruction and sophisticated war paraphernalia.


So as you can see, there actually ARE people calling for the US to be disarmed,and the part of the US code I quoted could be read to mean the US to disarm also.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 1 Dec, 2007 01:59 pm
mysteryman wrote:
So as you can see, there actually ARE people calling for the US to be disarmed,and the part of the US code I quoted could be read to mean the US to disarm also.


Could you please explain, why definitons from the "ARMS EXPORT CONTROL - Control of arms exports and imports" "could be read to mean the US to disarm"?

Are you really saying that an US-President is going to disarm the US?
Quote:
Presidential control of exports and imports of defense articles and services, guidance of policy, etc
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 1 Dec, 2007 02:09 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
So as you can see, there actually ARE people calling for the US to be disarmed,and the part of the US code I quoted could be read to mean the US to disarm also.


Could you please explain, why definitons from the "ARMS EXPORT CONTROL - Control of arms exports and imports" "could be read to mean the US to disarm"?

Are you really saying that an US-President is going to disarm the US?
Quote:
Presidential control of exports and imports of defense articles and services, guidance of policy, etc


From this link...
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcode.pl?frame=right2&type=srchres&case=/data/uscode/t21t25/2288.htm

We get this ...

Quote:
An ultimate goal of the United States is a world which is free

from the scourge of war and the dangers and burdens of armaments;

in which the use of force has been subordinated to the rule of law;

and in which international adjustments to a changing world are

achieved peacefully. It is the purpose of this chapter to provide

impetus toward this goal by creating a new agency of peace to deal

with the problem of reduction and control of armaments looking

toward ultimate world disarmament


Is the US part of the world?
WORLD DISARMAMENT could be read to include the US.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Sat 1 Dec, 2007 02:34 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
So as you can see, there actually ARE people calling for the US to be disarmed,and the part of the US code I quoted could be read to mean the US to disarm also.


Could you please explain, why definitons from the "ARMS EXPORT CONTROL - Control of arms exports and imports" "could be read to mean the US to disarm"?

Are you really saying that an US-President is going to disarm the US?
Quote:
Presidential control of exports and imports of defense articles and services, guidance of policy, etc


You have to understand that MM is a literalist.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 1 Dec, 2007 02:37 pm
Advocate wrote:
Walter Hinteler wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
So as you can see, there actually ARE people calling for the US to be disarmed,and the part of the US code I quoted could be read to mean the US to disarm also.


Could you please explain, why definitons from the "ARMS EXPORT CONTROL - Control of arms exports and imports" "could be read to mean the US to disarm"?

Are you really saying that an US-President is going to disarm the US?
Quote:
Presidential control of exports and imports of defense articles and services, guidance of policy, etc


You have to understand that MM is a literalist.


If you mean that in the sense that I believe that words mean things, then you are absolutely correct, I am.
Thats why its always best to say exactly what you mean, and not to play word games.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 1 Dec, 2007 03:19 pm
All those calls for the disarmament of the US is just pie in the sky. It'll never happen no matter what nut-case calls for it.

FACT: The US spends more on our military than all of Europe combined.
That will not change just because some "foolish" people think their rhetoric has any value.

Who's going to enforce it? DUH!
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 1 Dec, 2007 03:25 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
All those calls for the disarmament of the US is just pie in the sky. It'll never happen no matter what nut-case calls for it.

I absolutely agree with you.
FACT: The US spends more on our military than all of Europe combined.
That will not change just because some "foolish" people think their rhetoric has any value.

Who's going to enforce it? DUH!

You are the one that said...
[quote]Nobody would advocate for the disarming of the US
.

That is what I was responding to.
I agree that anyone that does call for that is a fool, but all I was trying to do is show you that your claim that NOBODY was wrong.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 1 Dec, 2007 03:29 pm
There's no cure for stupid; this world is full of them.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 1 Dec, 2007 03:39 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
There's no cure for stupid; this world is full of them.


You made a statement that was incorrect, that was stupid.

I corrected your mistake and passed on some information you may not have known.
That wasnt stupid.
That was sharing knowledge.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Sat 1 Dec, 2007 03:39 pm
C I
don't give up your dreams.

Let us strive hard to understand this negative development
and let us leave this world without any regrets and remorse.

Individually we are good.
Together we will be better.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 1 Dec, 2007 05:18 pm
Under the heading of "Doh...and why the hell did it take you so long to wake up?"
Quote:
Olmert Warns of End of Israel

Thursday, November 29, 2007 11:57 PM

In unusually frank comments, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert warned in an interview published Thursday that "the state of Israel is finished" if a Palestinian state is not created, saying the alternative was a South African-style apartheid struggle.


The explosive reference to apartheid came as Olmert returned from a high profile peace conference in Annapolis, Md., hoping to prepare a skeptical nation for difficult negotiations with the Palestinians.


Just hours after his return, the Israeli leader received an important boost when police recommended that prosecutors drop an investigation into whether he illegally intervened in the government's sale of a bank two years ago. The threat of indictment in the case cast a cloud over Olmert for months.


While Olmert has long said that the region's demography was working against Israel, the comments published in the Haaretz daily were among his strongest. Israeli officials have long rejected any comparison to the racist system once in place in South Africa.

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/olmert_end_of_israel/2007/11/29/53363.html
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sat 1 Dec, 2007 07:16 pm
blatham wrote:
Under the heading of "Doh...and why the hell did it take you so long to wake up?"
Quote:
Olmert Warns of End of Israel

Thursday, November 29, 2007 11:57 PM

In unusually frank comments, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert warned in an interview published Thursday that "the state of Israel is finished" if a Palestinian state is not created, saying the alternative was a South African-style apartheid struggle.


The explosive reference to apartheid came as Olmert returned from a high profile peace conference in Annapolis, Md., hoping to prepare a skeptical nation for difficult negotiations with the Palestinians.


Just hours after his return, the Israeli leader received an important boost when police recommended that prosecutors drop an investigation into whether he illegally intervened in the government's sale of a bank two years ago. The threat of indictment in the case cast a cloud over Olmert for months.


While Olmert has long said that the region's demography was working against Israel, the comments published in the Haaretz daily were among his strongest. Israeli officials have long rejected any comparison to the racist system once in place in South Africa.

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/olmert_end_of_israel/2007/11/29/53363.html

If you think Israel will be perceived by its own people to be "finished" if a Palestinian state is not created, what do you think its people will want done with their country's nuclear weapons when Israel is nearly finished?
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Advocate
 
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Reply Wed 5 Dec, 2007 09:39 am
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 5 Dec, 2007 10:59 am
Advicate, Get a hold of the current National Geographic magazine, and turn to page 58. Read that article, and tell us you're willing to submit yourself to a life like the Palestinians in Israel?
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Advocate
 
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Reply Wed 5 Dec, 2007 11:02 am
Can't you post it? Muslim-Israelis, in general, have lives better than Muslims in the rest of the ME.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 5 Dec, 2007 11:09 am
Advocate wrote:
Can't you post it? Muslim-Israelis, in general, have lives better than Muslims in the rest of the ME.



Your ignorance on this issue is overwhelming. Your mental block refuses to acknowedge facts about Israel that is unlike your ability to "see" other issues in the clear light of day.
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