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118 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 934 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000.



http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/children.html

George, again, Wikipedia says that you are all wet.


The Six-Day War (also known as the 1967 Arab-Israeli War, the Third Arab-Israeli War, Six Days' War, an‑Naksah (The Setback), or the June War, was fought between Israel and its Arab neighbours Egypt, Jordan, and Syria. Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Algeria also contributed troops and arms to the Arab forces. In the months before June 1967, Egypt expelled the United Nations Emergency Force from the Sinai Peninsula, increased its military activity near the border, blockaded the Straits of Tiran to Israeli ships, and called for unified Arab action against Israel. In June 1967, Israel launched a pre-emptive attack on Egypt's airforce fearing an imminent invasion by Egypt.[1] Jordan then attacked the Israeli cities of Jerusalem and Netanya.[2][3] At the war's end, Israel had gained control of the Gaza Strip, the Sinai Peninsula, the West Bank, and the Golan Heights. The results of the war affect the geopolitics of the region to this day."

Advocate wrote:

Israel lived contentedly within the pre-1967 borders, despite hundreds of unprovoked attacks by the Pals. It was only after being invaded by the Pals and the various Arab countries that Israel moved into the Pal territory. However, Jews, as well as Christians, et al., may not live in peace in Arab areas. It is so terrible how Israel defends itself.

A blatant lie offered here with typical bland assurance. There was no "invasion" of Israel by the "Pals" or anyone else prior to the 1967 War. Israel started the hostilities in 1967, and earlier in 1956 when they invaded Siani together with the British & French.

One interested in the truth of these things would also note that the reason more Palestinian children were killed is because the Palestinian terrorists intentionally put their rocket launchers and other weapons in occupied civilian neighborhoods to maximize civilian deaths when the Israelis targeted the rocket launchers and weapons.

The plain fact, which must be stated clearly, is that the blood of hundreds of Palestinian children is on our hands. No tortuous explanation by the IDF Spokesman's Office or by the military correspondents about the dangers posed to soldiers by the children, and no dubious excuse by the public relations people in the Foreign Ministry about how the Palestinians are making use of children will change that fact. An army that kills so many children is an army with no restraints, an army that has lost its moral code.

As MK Ahmed Tibi (Hadash) said, in a particularly emotional speech in the Knesset, it is no longer possible to claim that all these children were killed by mistake. An army doesn't make more than 500 day-to-day mistakes of identity. No, this is not a mistake but the disastrous result of a policy driven mainly by an appallingly light trigger finger and by the dehumanization of the Palestinians. Shooting at everything that moves, including children, has become normative behavior. Even the momentary mini-furor that erupted over the "confirming of the killing" of a 13-year-old girl, Iman Alhamas, did not revolve around the true question. The scandal should have been generated by the very act of the killing itself, not only by what followed.

Iman was not the only one. Mohammed Aaraj was eating a sandwich in front of his house, the last house before the cemetery of the Balata refugee camp, in Nablus, when a soldier shot him to death at fairly close range. He was six at the time of his death. Kristen Saada was in her parents' car, on the way home from a family visit, when soldiers sprayed the car with bullets. She was 12 at the time of her death. The brothers Jamil and Ahmed Abu Aziz were riding their bicycles in full daylight, on their way to buy sweets, when they sustained a direct hit from a shell fired by an Israeli tank crew. Jamil was 13, Ahmed six, at the time of their deaths.

Muatez Amudi and Subah Subah were killed by a soldier who was standing in the village square in Burkin and fired every which way in the wake of stone-throwing. Radir Mohammed from Khan Yunis refugee camp was in a school classroom when soldiers shot her to death. She was 12 when she died. All of them were innocent of wrongdoing and were killed by soldiers acting in our name.

Again we disagree George. There is a sizable minority of Arab Israeli citizens that enjoy all benefits of Israel's democracy.

InfraBlue wrote:

mysteryman wrote:

And since the extremists claim to be Palestinians?

The extremists claim to be Israeli too.

Lets look at Palestinian media,mainly TV...

http://www.pmw.org.il/home.htm

You dont see stuff like that on Israeli TV.

Again we disagree George. There is a sizable minority of Arab Israeli citizens that enjoy all benefits of Israel's democracy. Israel retains a Jewish majority because that was in fact the purpose of Israel in the first place and, without it, Israel would not survive no matter who the Israelis are nice to.

If it is not important that the Jews have a place to call their own homeland, then neither is it important that the Palestinians have a place to call their own homeland. If Israel can't have a Jewish majority, then tell the Palestinians to give up on there every being a Palestine and instead become honest, peaceful, law abiding citizens of Israel who denounce Hamas and Hezbollah and all terrorist activity. Then if the Israelis don't treat them right, we all can beat up on the Israelis.

If there isn't anything, then one must conclude that the only thing that will satisfy the non-Israeli palestinian arabs is the non-existence of Israel.

If that were truly the case, then the Israelis would be justified morally, ethically and practically in wanting the non-existence of the non-Israeli palestinian arabs.

Foxfyre wrote:

Again we disagree George. There is a sizable minority of Arab Israeli citizens that enjoy all benefits of Israel's democracy. Israel retains a Jewish majority because that was in fact the purpose of Israel in the first place and, without it, Israel would not survive no matter who the Israelis are nice to.

If it is not important that the Jews have a place to call their own homeland, then neither is it important that the Palestinians have a place to call their own homeland. If Israel can't have a Jewish majority, then tell the Palestinians to give up on there every being a Palestine and instead become honest, peaceful, law abiding citizens of Israel who denounce Hamas and Hezbollah and all terrorist activity. Then if the Israelis don't treat them right, we all can beat up on the Israelis.

Some Americans, generally white Anglo Saxon Protestants, once said the same thing about this country. They believed that blacks, Catholics from Ireland, Poland and Italy, and Jews from Russia and Poland all had no place in this country, which, in their view was the proper homeland exclusively for peiople like them. They even formed a political party, The Know-Nothings. Happily the country passed them by. Similar lines of thought were used to justify the Ku Klux Klan, and later the racial policies of the National Socialist party in Germany. All of these movements were motivated essentially by the same idea - only the roles of the various groups varied one from the other. It is very ironic - and instructive - to see the underlying connection between the backward ideas of Zionists and those of their former persecutors.

Honestly George, it is unseemly of you to use such a glaring red herring in an argument. The Israelis are not the Ku Klus Klan trying to achieve any ethnic purity. The are not discriminatory toward the law abiding Arabs who are citizens of Israel other than to allow Arabs to be exempt from military duty if they choose to be exempt. The United States has evolved into a nation that is far more accommodating to all than previous generations were. So has Israel. Unless we think it is our responsibility to atone for the sins of our ancesters, it is unrealistic to expect modern day Israelis to atone for the sins of its ancesters. {/quote}

Please elaborate on the evolution that you suggest has occurred in Israel since its founding in 1948. I'm not aware of it. I don't believe that anyone is seriously concerned about the supposed sins of the ancestors of the Israeli people. The issue is exclusively that of the behavior of the modern day state they have created.

You have mischaracterized the status of Arab citizens of Israel. Better for you to do some research and confront the reality of it. You have also ignored the condition of the far larger number of Arabs who inhabit the occupied territories - their situation is very bad indeed.

[quote="Foxfyre"Again you seem to paint the Israelis as racist, backward, etc. etc. etc. and avoid the critical issue which is that the Israel will not be allowed to exist at all if they do not retain a majority of Jews in the nation of Israel which was formed specifically for the purpose of being a refuge for misplaced Jews. They have not restricted immigration or full citizenship to misplaced Jews, however.