ISRAEL - IRAN - SYRIA - HAMAS - HEZBOLLAH - WWWIII?

According to the link in the post msolga left, the UN observers were part of the UNIFIL soldiers in Lebanon. Apparently there has been some debate over the usefulness of the UNIFIL for some time in Israel. Israeli "Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has also asked the UN to enforce UN Resolution 1559, which calls for "the disbanding and disarmament of all Lebanese and non-Lebanese militias," as one of its prime considerations in accepting a cease-fire."

And now Israel hits a UNIFIL unit of UN position in Lebanon and kills four UN workers and is expected to be believed it is an accident?

He would be better to take foxfyre route and talk ill of the dead only I don't think that would go over so well.

here is where I got some of the information.

revel wrote:

According to the link in the post msolga left, the UN observers were part of the UNIFIL soldiers in Lebanon. Apparently there has been some debate over the usefulness of the UNIFIL for some time in Israel. Israeli "Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has also asked the UN to enforce UN Resolution 1559, which calls for "the disbanding and disarmament of all Lebanese and non-Lebanese militias," as one of its prime considerations in accepting a cease-fire."

And now Israel hits a UNIFIL unit of UN position in Lebanon and kills four UN workers and is expected to be believed it is an accident?

He would be better to take foxfyre route and talk ill of the dead only I don't think that would go over so well.

here is where I got some of the information.

Perhaps you could elaborate on how I have talked "ill of the dead only" or talked ill of the dead at all? I am always fascinated by irrational conclusions about things like that. I use them as examples in my classes sometimes.

I think a good financial investment provides some kind of results from the investment. I frankly don't see any results from an investment in the UN observors in Lebanon. I'm willing to have my mind changed about that, but so far the lefties just criticize me for stating my opinion on it, but can't seem to come up with anything to justify the criticism.

Anyway sleep tight, Msolga.

Foxfyre wrote:

revel wrote:

According to the link in the post msolga left, the UN observers were part of the UNIFIL soldiers in Lebanon. Apparently there has been some debate over the usefulness of the UNIFIL for some time in Israel. Israeli "Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has also asked the UN to enforce UN Resolution 1559, which calls for "the disbanding and disarmament of all Lebanese and non-Lebanese militias," as one of its prime considerations in accepting a cease-fire."

And now Israel hits a UNIFIL unit of UN position in Lebanon and kills four UN workers and is expected to be believed it is an accident?

He would be better to take foxfyre route and talk ill of the dead only I don't think that would go over so well.

here is where I got some of the information.

Perhaps you could elaborate on how I have talked "ill of the dead only" or talked ill of the dead at all? I am always fascinated by irrational conclusions about things like that. I use them as examples in my classes sometimes.

Your appointments postponed? Anyway, rather than express regret which is the normal thing to do after an innocent death has happened you went off on a tangent (I find later part of an old debate) about the usefulness of the UN observers.

It's like if a police officers dies in a violent shoot out in a crime ridden city and someone says during a funeral, "well, what good did he ever do, the crime in this city has just gone to up sky high under his watch." I mean it's just not the kind of a thing one says is all I am saying. But you finally did say you regret the loss any innocent loss of life. So perhaps I was wrong to bring your name up again.

foxfire wrote:
""Should be doing" is the operative phrase here. Hezbollah apparentlys stockpiled several thousand fairly sophisticated rockets apparently procured from Iran, Syria, and possibly other similar sources, and set up to fire them into Israel and we didn't have ANY information on this until Israel was being shelled? Hezbollah was to disarm under UN authority, and this was missed? "

the united states and israel - with the most sophisticated spy operations in the world , satellites , drones , spyplanes -
a) did apparently not know where the u.n. observers were located ,
b) did not know that hezbolla 'stockpiled several thousand fairly sophisticated rockets ' ?

seems to me there is something lacking somewhere .

imo lebanon i a defenseless country for trying out the latest war machinery - and i would think it applies to all participants in this murdererous exercise . of great benefit to all the armament manufacturers to have their weapons tested and get paid for this.
a marvellous world we are living in - in the meantime thousands die every day of disease and malnutrition .
god and jesus and allah must be proud of what they have ceated .
hbg

Foxfyre wrote:

I think a good financial investment provides some kind of results from the investment. I frankly don't see any results from an investment in the UN observors in Lebanon. I'm willing to have my mind changed about that, but so far the lefties just criticize me for stating my opinion on it, but can't seem to come up with anything to justify the criticism.

Anyway sleep tight, Msolga.

You make many assumptions and claims which you have no valid basis for making.

You have no knowledge, for example, what reports were sent up lines to the UN, nor what would have been the further distribution of that information. You apparently conclude that because Hezbollah had rockets that constitutes evidence that the observers didn't know it or didn't report it or that other bodies outside the UN were not appraised of it. That conclusion isn't warranted either. The Israelis, for example, had a very good idea of how many rockets, and of what types, were being held. What evidentiary basis gives you warrant to assume that Israeli knowledge in this matter was not facilitated by the UN and its observers?.

As regards "keeping the peace", can you advise us as to the number of UN personnel present in Lebanon over the last five years and their specific mandate(s)? Can you then demonstrate how this number of personnel might be allocated so as to maintain peace in Lebanon? Perhaps you could use the analogous situtation of keeping the peace in present Iraq, so easily accomplished as we know.

blatham wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:

I think a good financial investment provides some kind of results from the investment. I frankly don't see any results from an investment in the UN observors in Lebanon. I'm willing to have my mind changed about that, but so far the lefties just criticize me for stating my opinion on it, but can't seem to come up with anything to justify the criticism.

Anyway sleep tight, Msolga.

You make many assumptions and claims which you have no valid basis for making.

You have no knowledge, for example, what reports were sent up lines to the UN, nor what would have been the further distribution of that information. You apparently conclude that because Hezbollah had rockets that constitutes evidence that the observers didn't know it or didn't report it or that other bodies outside the UN were not appraised of it. That conclusion isn't warranted either. The Israelis, for example, had a very good idea of how many rockets, and of what types, were being held. What evidentiary basis gives you warrant to assume that Israeli knowledge in this matter was not facilitated by the UN and its observers?.

I have not claimed to have any inside knowledge of anything and have sourced everything 'factual' that I have posted. Would you do the same here please?

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As regards "keeping the peace", can you advise us as to the number of UN personnel present in Lebanon over the last five years and their specific mandate(s)? Can you then demonstrate how this number of personnel might be allocated so as to maintain peace in Lebanon? Perhaps you could use the analogous situtation of keeping the peace in present Iraq, so easily accomplished as we know.

Nope. Nor apparently does anybody else here as I have repeatedly requested somebody provide that information as they esentially accuse Israel for "intentionally targeting the UN 'peacekeepers'". I have provided sources as a basis for the questions that I have asked, however, and which nobody has thus far been willing to answer. You have not sourced your reasoning behind your questions here. Nor does this have anything to do with Iraq so far as we know.

And whether or not Walter answers my questions, it seems apparent they weren't doing any job that was accomplishing anything ...

Irish officer warned Israel on U.N. staff safety
Wed Jul 26, 2006 6:18 PM BST



DUBLIN (Reuters) - An Irish army officer in south Lebanon warned Israel six times that air strikes threatened the lives of U.N. observers there before four staff were killed in a direct hit, Ireland's Foreign Ministry said on Wednesday.

"On six separate occasions he was in contact with the Israelis to warn them that their bombardment was endangering the lives of U.N. staff in South Lebanon," a Department of Foreign Affairs spokesman said.

"He warned: 'You have to address this problem or lives may be lost'," the spokesman said of comments by Lieutenant Colonel John Molloy, the chief liaison officer between U.N. forces in South Lebanon and the Israelis.

The remarks came after Foreign Minister Dermot Ahern summoned Israel's ambassador to his office to "protest at the strongest possible level". Speaking to reporters after the meeting, Ahern cast doubt on assurances the deaths had been an accident.

"Evidence that we have would suggest that this was either an incredible accident or else was in some way directly targeted," Ahern told reporters following the meeting.

U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan has called on Israel to investigate the "apparently deliberate targeting" of the base. A U.S. State Department Official said on Tuesday that Israel had told the United States the attack was an accident.

Ireland's, which until 2001 had a full infantry battalion stationed in Lebanon as part of a U.N. force, currently has 17 soldiers in the region, 10 of whom are in Lebanon.