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msolga wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:
msolga wrote:
They're called "UN observers" in this part of the world, too, Walter.:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200607/s1697819.htm

... and I disagree that the work of these observers is meaningless. Impartial observers are essential in a situation like this. Otherwise we'd be relying solely on propaganda (from both sides of the conflict) to try & work out what's really happening.

So tell me what good are they Msolga? Walter won't answer that question. Why should tax payers pay for 'peace keepers' or 'observors' who do not apparently do either?

I thought I'd already explained that in my post, which you've quoted, Foxfire. Put simply, we want to know what's really happening, not rely on biased accounts from either side of the conflict. I don't see that as a waste of money at all. It's the sort of work the UN should be doing.

"Should be doing" is the operative phrase here. Hezbollah apparentlys stockpiled several thousand fairly sophisticated rockets apparently procured from Iran, Syria, and possibly other similar sources, and set up to fire them into Israel and we didn't have ANY information on this until Israel was being shelled? Hezbollah was to disarm under UN authority, and this was missed?

If they aren't doing the job, again what good are there? Give me even one accomplishment you can attribute to these people.

If they aren't doing anything, then why are we paying them to be there? And why didn't the UN get them the hell out when the war started?

And I'm ignoring Walter's absurd overreaction to being asked this question. I have this weird concept that people should be doing a job they are paid to do.

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Walter Hinteler wrote:

All right, Foyfyre - kill them all, nuke the UN, what ever you want.

(Of course not the US military within UNTSO.)

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Foxfyre wrote:

msolga wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
msolga wrote:
They're called "UN observers" in this part of the world, too, Walter.:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200607/s1697819.htm

... and I disagree that the work of these observers is meaningless. Impartial observers are essential in a situation like this. Otherwise we'd be relying solely on propaganda (from both sides of the conflict) to try & work out what's really happening.

So tell me what good are they Msolga? Walter won't answer that question. Why should tax payers pay for 'peace keepers' or 'observors' who do not apparently do either?

I thought I'd already explained that in my post, which you've quoted, Foxfire. Put simply, we want to know what's really happening, not rely on biased accounts from either side of the conflict. I don't see that as a waste of money at all. It's the sort of work the UN should be doing.

"Should be doing" is the operative phrase here. Hezbollah apparentlys stockpiled several thousand fairly sophisticated rockets apparently procured from Iran, Syria, and possibly other similar sources, and set up to fire them into Israel and we didn't have ANY information on this until Israel was being shelled? Hezbollah was to disarm under UN authority, and this was missed?

If they aren't doing the job, again what good are there? Give me even one accomplishment you can attribute to these people.

If they aren't doing anything, then why are we paying them to be there? And why didn't the UN get them the hell out when the war started?

And I'm ignoring Walter's absurd overreaction to being asked this question. I have this weird concept that people should be doing a job they are paid to do.

You would ignore it since it don't fit what you want to talk about. Nevermind that Israel just bombed the UN observers after being assured that they would not be targeted and the event just happened yesterday. Right away you have to get into a discussion to distract away from that rather than just express some kind of regret over their senseless deaths. Might as well call them clowns and nuke all them UN peace keepers or observers, after all they ain't doing no good.

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With terms like 'Truce Supervision' and the fact that UNTSO assists UNDOF which continues to supervise the implementation of cease-fires, looks like one would get a clue that it is or is part of a peacekeeping arm.

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Walter, Revel, et al, prefer to build ridiculous straw men rather than admit the UN wasn't doing the job. Not one of the "leftwingers' condemning Israel has yet shown how these 'observors' or 'peace keepers' or whatever you wish to call them have accomplished one thing or had any reason to be there at all considering that they apparently were neither keeping the peace or reporting that it wasn't being kept.

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Foxfyre wrote:

Walter, Revel, et al, prefer to build ridiculous straw men rather than admit the UN wasn't doing the job. Not one of the "leftwingers' condemning Israel has yet shown how these 'observors' or 'peace keepers' or whatever you wish to call them have accomplished one thing or had any reason to be there at all.

But it wouldn't matter in the slightest what we might say, Foxfire. You'd still keep on saying what you're saying, over & over ......

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msolga wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:
Walter, Revel, et al, prefer to build ridiculous straw men rather than admit the UN wasn't doing the job. Not one of the "leftwingers' condemning Israel has yet shown how these 'observors' or 'peace keepers' or whatever you wish to call them have accomplished one thing or had any reason to be there at all.

But it wouldn't matter in the slightest what we might say, Foxfire. You'd still keep on saying what you're saying, over & over ......

Yes, Msolga, just like you and/or the anti-Israel folks keep saying what you're saying over and over while ignoring any issue that doesn't fit with it. You're not showing me anything that doesn't fit with what I'm saying, however. I have shown you evidence that fits with what I'm saying.

And I promise you this. You show me some evidence that we've gotten our money's worth out of these UN peacekeeper/observors, and I will acknowledge that.

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Well, Foxfire, I've said what I wanted to say. You don't think having independent observers is a good financial "investment". I do. Oh well ...
I'll leave it there, I think. (Gotta go to bed, anyway ...)

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msolga wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:
Walter, Revel, et al, prefer to build ridiculous straw men rather than admit the UN wasn't doing the job. Not one of the "leftwingers' condemning Israel has yet shown how these 'observors' or 'peace keepers' or whatever you wish to call them have accomplished one thing or had any reason to be there at all.

But it wouldn't matter in the slightest what we might say, Foxfire. You'd still keep on saying what you're saying, over & over ......

Probably because those of opposing viewpoints won't or can't answer her question.

What were they observing? The weather? The foliage? Who did they make reports to and what did those reports say?

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I think a good financial investment provides some kind of results from the investment. I frankly don't see any results from an investment in the UN observors in Lebanon. I'm willing to have my mind changed about that, but so far the lefties just criticize me for stating my opinion on it, but can't seem to come up with anything to justify the criticism.

Anyway sleep tight, Msolga.

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Thank you. Working girls have gotta get they're sleep!

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msolga wrote:

Thank you. Working girls have gotta get they're sleep!

Yes they do. And this working girl has to get ready to start her working day. Later all.

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I must be tired: I meant their sleep! Embarrassed

OK, good night.

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Actually I did answer question, I said it don't matter what good they were doing. Maybe they did report, I don't know I haven't done any checking, and I kind of doubt I have the intelligence to be able know where to look to find that kind of information out if such can be found. My point is that whether the UN observers are doing any good or not, they did not deserve to be dead or bombed. Can Foxfyre not just express regret for their loss like at least Israel's PM did?

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All loss of life is regrettable whether it be Arab or Israeli or some other ethnic group/nationality. It is especially regrettable when it happens to innocent bystanders and innocent civilians.

But war is messy, miserable, dangerous stuff and its purpose is to kill peole and break things and/or to stop others from killing people and breaking things and sometimes people are killed and stuff is broken that was not intended. Israel didn't fire the first shot. I don't know if they are behaving inappropriately in this conflict or whether they are simply using the time proven method of war which is to use overwhelming force to ensure that the war is won and the enemy is no longer capable of waging war. I 100% approve of that method in most cases as any other method has not produced peace anywhere that I can think of.

If the UN workers were performing no necessary function and were accomplishing no good purpose, to leave them in the line of fire is a wrong headed policy in my opinion. Other foreigners were leaving the country by the thousands. It would have been a simple matter to pull those UN workers out of there and no accident would have happened.

Now I do have to get ready for my first appointments today.

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Hezbollah: Israeli onslaught a surprise

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I am glad you expressed regret for the loss of the observers.

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According to the link in the post msolga left, the UN observers were part of the UNIFIL soldiers in Lebanon. Apparently there has been some debate over the usefulness of the UNIFIL for some time in Israel. Israeli "Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has also asked the UN to enforce UN Resolution 1559, which calls for "the disbanding and disarmament of all Lebanese and non-Lebanese militias," as one of its prime considerations in accepting a cease-fire."

And now Israel hits a UNIFIL unit of UN position in Lebanon and kills four UN workers and is expected to be believed it is an accident?

He would be better to take foxfyre route and talk ill of the dead only I don't think that would go over so well.

here is where I got some of the information.

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THE TWO ISRAELI SOLDIERS
WERE CAPTURED IN LEBANON http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/israeli_solders.html

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blueflame1 wrote:

THE TWO ISRAELI SOLDIERS
WERE CAPTURED IN LEBANON http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/israeli_solders.html

Wow! The conspiracies have started already?! That usually takes a month at least!

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