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ISRAEL - IRAN - SYRIA - HAMAS - HEZBOLLAH - WWWIII?

 
 
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 26 Jul, 2006 06:43 am
msolga wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
msolga wrote:
They're called "UN observers" in this part of the world, too, Walter.:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200607/s1697819.htm

... and I disagree that the work of these observers is meaningless. Impartial observers are essential in a situation like this. Otherwise we'd be relying solely on propaganda (from both sides of the conflict) to try & work out what's really happening.


So tell me what good are they Msolga? Walter won't answer that question. Why should tax payers pay for 'peace keepers' or 'observors' who do not apparently do either?


I thought I'd already explained that in my post, which you've quoted, Foxfire. Put simply, we want to know what's really happening, not rely on biased accounts from either side of the conflict. I don't see that as a waste of money at all. It's the sort of work the UN should be doing.


"Should be doing" is the operative phrase here. Hezbollah apparentlys stockpiled several thousand fairly sophisticated rockets apparently procured from Iran, Syria, and possibly other similar sources, and set up to fire them into Israel and we didn't have ANY information on this until Israel was being shelled? Hezbollah was to disarm under UN authority, and this was missed?

If they aren't doing the job, again what good are there? Give me even one accomplishment you can attribute to these people.

If they aren't doing anything, then why are we paying them to be there? And why didn't the UN get them the hell out when the war started?

And I'm ignoring Walter's absurd overreaction to being asked this question. I have this weird concept that people should be doing a job they are paid to do.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Wed 26 Jul, 2006 06:45 am
Walter Hinteler wrote:
All right, Foyfyre - kill them all, nuke the UN, what ever you want.

(Of course not the US military within UNTSO.)
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revel
 
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Reply Wed 26 Jul, 2006 06:51 am
Foxfyre wrote:
msolga wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
msolga wrote:
They're called "UN observers" in this part of the world, too, Walter.:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200607/s1697819.htm

... and I disagree that the work of these observers is meaningless. Impartial observers are essential in a situation like this. Otherwise we'd be relying solely on propaganda (from both sides of the conflict) to try & work out what's really happening.


So tell me what good are they Msolga? Walter won't answer that question. Why should tax payers pay for 'peace keepers' or 'observors' who do not apparently do either?


I thought I'd already explained that in my post, which you've quoted, Foxfire. Put simply, we want to know what's really happening, not rely on biased accounts from either side of the conflict. I don't see that as a waste of money at all. It's the sort of work the UN should be doing.


"Should be doing" is the operative phrase here. Hezbollah apparentlys stockpiled several thousand fairly sophisticated rockets apparently procured from Iran, Syria, and possibly other similar sources, and set up to fire them into Israel and we didn't have ANY information on this until Israel was being shelled? Hezbollah was to disarm under UN authority, and this was missed?

If they aren't doing the job, again what good are there? Give me even one accomplishment you can attribute to these people.

If they aren't doing anything, then why are we paying them to be there? And why didn't the UN get them the hell out when the war started?

And I'm ignoring Walter's absurd overreaction to being asked this question. I have this weird concept that people should be doing a job they are paid to do.


You would ignore it since it don't fit what you want to talk about. Nevermind that Israel just bombed the UN observers after being assured that they would not be targeted and the event just happened yesterday. Right away you have to get into a discussion to distract away from that rather than just express some kind of regret over their senseless deaths. Might as well call them clowns and nuke all them UN peace keepers or observers, after all they ain't doing no good.
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Brand X
 
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Reply Wed 26 Jul, 2006 06:51 am
With terms like 'Truce Supervision' and the fact that UNTSO assists UNDOF which continues to supervise the implementation of cease-fires, looks like one would get a clue that it is or is part of a peacekeeping arm.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 26 Jul, 2006 07:02 am
Walter, Revel, et al, prefer to build ridiculous straw men rather than admit the UN wasn't doing the job. Not one of the "leftwingers' condemning Israel has yet shown how these 'observors' or 'peace keepers' or whatever you wish to call them have accomplished one thing or had any reason to be there at all considering that they apparently were neither keeping the peace or reporting that it wasn't being kept.
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 26 Jul, 2006 07:06 am
Foxfyre wrote:
Walter, Revel, et al, prefer to build ridiculous straw men rather than admit the UN wasn't doing the job. Not one of the "leftwingers' condemning Israel has yet shown how these 'observors' or 'peace keepers' or whatever you wish to call them have accomplished one thing or had any reason to be there at all.


But it wouldn't matter in the slightest what we might say, Foxfire. You'd still keep on saying what you're saying, over & over ......
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 26 Jul, 2006 07:08 am
msolga wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
Walter, Revel, et al, prefer to build ridiculous straw men rather than admit the UN wasn't doing the job. Not one of the "leftwingers' condemning Israel has yet shown how these 'observors' or 'peace keepers' or whatever you wish to call them have accomplished one thing or had any reason to be there at all.


But it wouldn't matter in the slightest what we might say, Foxfire. You'd still keep on saying what you're saying, over & over ......


Yes, Msolga, just like you and/or the anti-Israel folks keep saying what you're saying over and over while ignoring any issue that doesn't fit with it. You're not showing me anything that doesn't fit with what I'm saying, however. I have shown you evidence that fits with what I'm saying.

And I promise you this. You show me some evidence that we've gotten our money's worth out of these UN peacekeeper/observors, and I will acknowledge that.
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 26 Jul, 2006 07:15 am
Well, Foxfire, I've said what I wanted to say. You don't think having independent observers is a good financial "investment". I do. Oh well ...
I'll leave it there, I think. (Gotta go to bed, anyway ...)
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 26 Jul, 2006 07:15 am
msolga wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
Walter, Revel, et al, prefer to build ridiculous straw men rather than admit the UN wasn't doing the job. Not one of the "leftwingers' condemning Israel has yet shown how these 'observors' or 'peace keepers' or whatever you wish to call them have accomplished one thing or had any reason to be there at all.


But it wouldn't matter in the slightest what we might say, Foxfire. You'd still keep on saying what you're saying, over & over ......


Probably because those of opposing viewpoints won't or can't answer her question.

What were they observing? The weather? The foliage? Who did they make reports to and what did those reports say?
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 26 Jul, 2006 07:17 am
I think a good financial investment provides some kind of results from the investment. I frankly don't see any results from an investment in the UN observors in Lebanon. I'm willing to have my mind changed about that, but so far the lefties just criticize me for stating my opinion on it, but can't seem to come up with anything to justify the criticism.

Anyway sleep tight, Msolga.
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 26 Jul, 2006 07:20 am
Thank you. Working girls have gotta get they're sleep!
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 26 Jul, 2006 07:21 am
msolga wrote:
Thank you. Working girls have gotta get they're sleep!


Yes they do. And this working girl has to get ready to start her working day. Later all.
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 26 Jul, 2006 07:23 am
I must be tired: I meant their sleep! Embarrassed

OK, good night.
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revel
 
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Reply Wed 26 Jul, 2006 07:26 am
Actually I did answer question, I said it don't matter what good they were doing. Maybe they did report, I don't know I haven't done any checking, and I kind of doubt I have the intelligence to be able know where to look to find that kind of information out if such can be found. My point is that whether the UN observers are doing any good or not, they did not deserve to be dead or bombed. Can Foxfyre not just express regret for their loss like at least Israel's PM did?
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 26 Jul, 2006 07:35 am
All loss of life is regrettable whether it be Arab or Israeli or some other ethnic group/nationality. It is especially regrettable when it happens to innocent bystanders and innocent civilians.

But war is messy, miserable, dangerous stuff and its purpose is to kill peole and break things and/or to stop others from killing people and breaking things and sometimes people are killed and stuff is broken that was not intended. Israel didn't fire the first shot. I don't know if they are behaving inappropriately in this conflict or whether they are simply using the time proven method of war which is to use overwhelming force to ensure that the war is won and the enemy is no longer capable of waging war. I 100% approve of that method in most cases as any other method has not produced peace anywhere that I can think of.

If the UN workers were performing no necessary function and were accomplishing no good purpose, to leave them in the line of fire is a wrong headed policy in my opinion. Other foreigners were leaving the country by the thousands. It would have been a simple matter to pull those UN workers out of there and no accident would have happened.

Now I do have to get ready for my first appointments today.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 26 Jul, 2006 07:40 am
Hezbollah: Israeli onslaught a surprise

BEIRUT, Lebanon - A senior Hezbollah official said Tuesday the guerrillas did not expect
Israel to react with an all-out offensive after the capture of two soldiers, the first acknowledgment by the group that it had miscalculated the consequences of the raid two weeks ago.

Mahmoud Komati, deputy chief of the Hezbollah's political arm, also told The Associated Press in an interview that the Shiite militant group will not lay down arms.

"The truth is ?- let me say this clearly ?- we didn't even expect (this) response ... that (Israel) would exploit this operation for this big war against us," said Komati.

He said Hezbollah had expected "the usual, limited response" from Israel after the two soldiers were seized by guerrillas on Israel's side of the border on July 12.

In the past, he said, Israeli responses to Hezbollah actions included sending commandos into Lebanon, seizing Hezbollah officials and briefly targeting specific strongholds in southern Lebanon.

Komati said his group had anticipated negotiations to swap the Israeli soldiers for three Lebanese held in Israeli jails, with Germany acting as a mediator as it has in past prisoner exchanges.

He said Hezbollah captured the Israeli soldiers from a military area, but charged that Israelis had taken Hezbollah leaders from their homes at night.

"The response is unjustified," Komati said. He claimed the Israeli offensive was planned in advance, and Israel was only "waiting for the right time" to carry it out.

Asked about reports that Hezbollah has been firing Iranian-made missiles on Israel, Komati said: "We don't deny nor confirm. We believe where the weapons come from is irrelevant."

Hezbollah leaders previously have denied that
Iran was supplying them with weapons.

Komati said Hezbollah has weapons made in various countries, including the United States, France, China and Russia.

"Some of our fighters carry M16s. So you think we buy them from America?" he asked.

Komati said Hezbollah demanded an immediate end to Israeli attacks before agreeing to negotiate and rejected a plan proposed by Secretary of State
Condoleezza Rice during her visit to Beirut.

The plan calls for the deployment of international and Lebanese troops in southern Lebanon to prevent Hezbollah attacks on Israel before a cease-fire.

"No one can talk about politics while the fire rages, and killings occur," Komati said.

He was adamant about Hezbollah's refusal to disarm because of what he said was Israeli occupation of Lebanese land, the "threat of Israeli aggression" and the Lebanese held in Israeli jails.
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revel
 
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Reply Wed 26 Jul, 2006 07:41 am
I am glad you expressed regret for the loss of the observers.
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revel
 
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Reply Wed 26 Jul, 2006 07:59 am
According to the link in the post msolga left, the UN observers were part of the UNIFIL soldiers in Lebanon. Apparently there has been some debate over the usefulness of the UNIFIL for some time in Israel. Israeli "Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has also asked the UN to enforce UN Resolution 1559, which calls for "the disbanding and disarmament of all Lebanese and non-Lebanese militias," as one of its prime considerations in accepting a cease-fire."

And now Israel hits a UNIFIL unit of UN position in Lebanon and kills four UN workers and is expected to be believed it is an accident?

He would be better to take foxfyre route and talk ill of the dead only I don't think that would go over so well.

here is where I got some of the information.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Wed 26 Jul, 2006 08:04 am
THE TWO ISRAELI SOLDIERS
WERE CAPTURED IN LEBANON http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/israeli_solders.html
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 26 Jul, 2006 08:10 am
blueflame1 wrote:
THE TWO ISRAELI SOLDIERS
WERE CAPTURED IN LEBANON http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/israeli_solders.html


Wow! The conspiracies have started already?! That usually takes a month at least!
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