ISRAEL - IRAN - SYRIA - HAMAS - HEZBOLLAH - WWWIII?

I read that THE MAIN reason Saddam got invaded when he did, was his plan to attack the dollar by pricing his oil in Euros, and thereby persuading other major oil exporters to follow suit.

If the dollar ceased to be a reserve currency, this would have a dramatic and quick effect on economic conditions in the USA.

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McTag wrote:

I read that THE MAIN reason Saddam got invaded when he did, was his plan to attack the dollar by pricing his oil in Euros, and thereby persuading other major oil exporters to follow suit.

If the dollar ceased to be a reserve currency, this would have a dramatic and quick effect on economic conditions in the USA.

Of course it would, since we would essentially stop getting (nearly) free oil.

Cycloptichorn

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

McTag wrote:
I read that THE MAIN reason Saddam got invaded when he did, was his plan to attack the dollar by pricing his oil in Euros, and thereby persuading other major oil exporters to follow suit.

If the dollar ceased to be a reserve currency, this would have a dramatic and quick effect on economic conditions in the USA.

Of course it would, since we would essentially stop getting (nearly) free oil.

Cycloptichorn

Worse that that I believe, the practice of printing dollars to cover deficit would have to cease, and the dollar would collapse.

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McTag wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
McTag wrote:
I read that THE MAIN reason Saddam got invaded when he did, was his plan to attack the dollar by pricing his oil in Euros, and thereby persuading other major oil exporters to follow suit.

If the dollar ceased to be a reserve currency, this would have a dramatic and quick effect on economic conditions in the USA.

Of course it would, since we would essentially stop getting (nearly) free oil.

Cycloptichorn

Worse that that I believe, the practice of printing dollars to cover deficit would have to cease, and the dollar would collapse.

That's what I meant.

Cycloptichorn

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McT wrote: Worse that that I believe, the practice of printing dollars to cover deficit would have to cease, and the dollar would collapse.

By all economic analysis, the dollar should have collapsed years ago. Most in this world are now using US monopoly money with abandon. How it remains afloat is a mystery. High federal deficit, consumer debt, trade deficit, and billions upon billions floating around the world that's being exchanged for goods and services without anything to back it; monopoly money.

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One more thought: The federal reserve plays around with interest rates to "control inflation." What a laugh! If there's more US currency floating around than gold, goods and services to back it, the US currency "is" the inflation.

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McTag wrote:

I read that THE MAIN reason Saddam got invaded when he did, was his plan to attack the dollar by pricing his oil in Euros, and thereby persuading other major oil exporters to follow suit.
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I read you Soroses are suffering from psychoses.

I also read that we invaded Afghanistan and Iraq to:

(1) Stop al-Qaeda from growing in Afghanistan and in Iraq;

(2) Exterminate al-Qaeda in Afghanistan and in Iraq;

(3) Replace the governments in Afghanistan and in Iraq with governments that will not tolerate/allow al-Qaeda again obtaining sanctuary in Afghanistan and in Iraq.

I also read that you Soroses invent stupid reasons for why the American government does what it does, because you Soroses are incapable of coping with the real reasons.

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McTag wrote:

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If the dollar ceased to be a reserve currency, this would have a dramatic and quick effect on economic conditions in the USA.

If the dollar ceased to be a reserve currency, this would have a dramatic and quick effect on economic conditions throughout the world.

Euros, Yen, Pounds, Rubles, et al buy Dollars.

Dollars buy Euros, Yen, Pounds, Rubles, et al.

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McTag wrote:

I read that THE MAIN reason Saddam got invaded when he did, was his plan to attack the dollar by pricing his oil in Euros, and thereby persuading other major oil exporters to follow suit.

If the dollar ceased to be a reserve currency, this would have a dramatic and quick effect on economic conditions in the USA.

1. Question: Would America have gone to war with such enthusiasm if Sept. 11 had not happened?

2. Most Americans thought Iraq had 'something' to do with 9/11, which the US media & BushCo promulgated to stir up patriotic fervor.
Was 9/11 allowed to happen to piss off enough Americans to go and fight some phantom, when in fact, it was about Euros vs. US dollars? How many would have so willingly signed up to defend the US dollar?

Now that you know that Iraq did not have WMD's, what are you there for? Really? To stabilize the US dollar?

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pachelbel wrote:

McTag wrote:
I read that THE MAIN reason Saddam got invaded when he did, was his plan to attack the dollar by pricing his oil in Euros, and thereby persuading other major oil exporters to follow suit.

If the dollar ceased to be a reserve currency, this would have a dramatic and quick effect on economic conditions in the USA.

1. Question: Would America have gone to war with such enthusiasm if Sept. 11 had not happened?

2. Most Americans thought Iraq had 'something' to do with 9/11, which the US media & BushCo promulgated to stir up patriotic fervor.
Was 9/11 allowed to happen to piss off enough Americans to go and fight some phantom, when in fact, it was about Euros vs. US dollars? How many would have so willingly signed up to defend the US dollar?

Now that you know that Iraq did not have WMD's, what are you there for? Really? To stabilize the US dollar?

This is not a crazy notion, IMO.

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pachel wrote (in red): 1. Question: Would America have gone to war with such enthusiasm if Sept. 11 had not happened?
My answers in blue: No; 9-11 was the primary reason for our war in Afghanistan.

2. Most AAmericans thought Iraq had 'something' to do with 9/11, which the US media & BushCo promulgated to stir up patriotic fervor.
Yes, BushCo lied to congress, the American People, and the world when they claimed Saddam had WMDs and connection to 9-11.

Was 9/11 allowed to happen to piss off enough Americans to go and fight some phantom, when in fact, it was about Euros vs. US dollars? How many would have so willingly signed up to defend the US dollar?
It's a possibility, because so many lies were told to everybody from the very beginning, nobody is sure what excuse they used - yet.

Now that you know that Iraq did not have WMD's, what are you there for? Really? To stabilize the US dollar?
As everybody knows, BushCo has used many reasons from WMDs, to connection with al Qaida, to bringing democracy to the middle east, to getting rid of a tyrant. We're not there to stabilize the US dollar; that's been long lost when BushCo went berserk and took this country into a unwinable war, increased our national debt to new highs, consumer debt is at its highest levels, and giving taxbreaks to the wealthy, while claiming it will improve our economy. What really happened was that the rich got richer, and the middle class and poor got poorer, more Americans are now without health insurance, and more middle-class families fell into poverty.

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It is actually false that the Shrub used September 11th directly as an excuse for the invasion of Iraq. Cheney was cleverly used to make the implication, while leaving the Shrub the "plausible deniability." The Shrub did not ever actually say that Iraq was involved in the September 11th attack--but capitalized on the vague belief common among all too many ignorant Americans.

Even before Hussein entered politics in Iraq, Iraq was a secular state, dominated by Sunni Muslims who were repressing the Shi'ite majority, and making casual war on the Kurds with the connivance of the Turks, who really, really hate the Kurds. The Ba'ath Arab Socialist Party was secular, but primarily based among the Sunnis of Iraq (and Syria, the other state in which they became powerful). The leadership of al Qaeda are Wahhabis, who are fundamentalist Sunni extremists, and they have cordially despised Iraq and the Ba'athists. Before the Gulf War, when al Qaeda were still our buddies, before American troops in Saudi Arabia gave bin Laden his excuse for war on Americans, bin Laden even offered to settle Hussein's hash for us.

But Americans are ignorant, don't know a Sunni from a Shi'ite, and don't know anything about the Wahhabis. It is a simple matter for the conservatives to whine about "islamo-fascists," and reduce a complex matter to simplistic terms, which allow them to hate all Muslims without giving any serious thought to the matter.

At Wikipedia:

The Wahhabis

The Sunnis

The Shi'ites

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Tuesday night, September 11, 2001, the President broadcast to the nation:
www.9-11commission.gov/report/index.htm
Chapter 10
We will make no distinction between the terrorists who committed these acts and those who harbor them.

Congress wrote:

Friday, September 14, 2001
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/military/terroristattack/joint-resolution_9-14.html
The President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons.

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Thursday, September 20, 2001, President Bush addressed the nation before a joint session of Congress:
www.9-11commission.gov/report/index.htm
Chapter 10
Tonight we are a country awakened to danger. Our enemy is a radical network of terrorists, and every government that supports them.

Congress wrote:

www.c-span.org/resources/pdf/hjres114.pdf
Public Law 107-243 107th Congress Joint Resolution Oct. 16, 2002 (H.J. Res. 114) To authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against Iraq.
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Whereas members of al Qaida, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq;

Whereas Iraq continues to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations, including organizations that threaten the lives and safety of United States citizens;
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http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/01/20060123-4.html
Office of the Press Secretary
January 23, 2006
President Discusses Global War on Terror at Kansas State University
Kansas State University
Manhattan, Kansas
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And the definition of success [in Iraq], by the way, is for there to be a country where the terrorists and Saddamists can no longer threaten the democracy, and where Iraqi security forces can provide for the security of their people, and where Iraq is not a safe haven from which the terrorists -- al Qaeda and its affiliates -- can plot attacks against America.

We got a strategy, and I'm going to keep talking about the strategy -- it will yield a victory. And the strategy is political security and economic in nature. In economic, we're going to help them rebuild their country, help secure their oil supply so they'll have cash flow in order to invest in their people. On the political front, you've seen it -- you've seen what happened in one year's time. It's just amazing, I think. I guess, we take it for granted -- some of us do. I don't. The fact that people have gone from living under the clutches of a tyrant who ordered the murder of thousands of his own citizens, to a society in which people last year started voting -- voting for an interim government, voting for a constitution, and then voting for a permanent government under the new constitution. The government is now -- they're beginning to form.
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Our strategy is twofold: We're on the hunt for the terrorists, and we're training Iraqis. And we're making decent progress. There are more and more Iraqi units in the fight. There's more and more country being turned over to the Iraqis. We got a lot of bases around Iraq, and more of those bases are being given to the Iraqi troops.
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What you folks continue to fail to understand is that those of us who disagree with you about Iraq and Afghanistan, do not disagree with you about the inadequacy of the USA's performance in Iraq and Afghanistan. We disagree with you over what to do about the inadequacy of the USA's performance in Iraq in Afghanistan.

You folks appear to think the USA's inadequate performance cannot be improved.

We folks who disagree with you think the USA's inadequate performance can be improved.

You folks appear to think we should leave Iraq and Afghanistan by a date certain.

We folks who disagree with you think we should leave Iraq and Afghanistan only after the respective governments of those two countries are able to remove the dekonc (i.e., deliberate killers of non-combatants) from their countries on their own.

You folks appear to think that we have lost and should quit.

We folks who disagree with you think that we must persist and do whatever it takes to enable the governments of Iraq and Afghanistan to remove the dekonc from their countries on their own.

You folks appear to think the dekonc, if left to pursue their declared global objectives are not a serious threat to America and humanity.

We folks who disagree with you think the dekonc, if left to pursue their declared global objectives, are a serious threat to America and humanity.

You folks appear to think the USA shares responsibility with the dekonc for the murders perpetrated by the dekonc.

We folks who disagree with you think dekonc are 100% responsible for the murders perpetrated by the dekonc.

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You have absolutely no idea what i think, other than what i tell you, and what i have consistently told you is that you are woefully uninformed about Islam, and the nations and people of the middle east. You demonstrate it time and again.

As usual, when speaking of what those who disagree with you think, you are as wrong as you are when you puke up your nonsense about Muslims, complete with your idiotic, puerile acronyms.

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ican711nm wrote:

about Iraq and Afghanistan

<looks up>

Wrong thread, ican.....

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ican quote:
'Whereas members of al Qaida, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq;'

See how BushCo twists facts? Who was responsible for 9/11? Most Americans still believe it was Iraq. WRONG. And BushCo knew that at the time.

The attackers on 9/11 were comprised of Saudi Arabians, Egyptians and one Lebanese. Not one Iraqi. BushCo has proven time and again that they know nothing about the culture of the Middle East.

What happened to the bin Laden bogeyman? How many Americans know that bin Laden's family is connected to the Bush family via the Carlyle Group?

There was a reason 9/11 was allowed to happen, and that reason is abundently clear. And it sure isn't about terrorists. "Terrorists" have been around forever. Bush, Sr. and Rumsfeld sold Saddam the gas that killed the Kurds. Who are the real terrorists here? The US.

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old europe wrote:

ican711nm wrote:
about Iraq and Afghanistan

<looks>

Wrong thread, ican.....

Perhaps it is the wrong thread for discussing Iraq and Afghanistan! But I was responding to previous posts in this thread on this page that made assertions regarding Iraq and, by implication, Afghanistan--wrong thread or not.

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pachelbel wrote:

ican quote:
'Whereas members of al Qaida, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq;'

See how BushCo twists facts? Who was responsible for 9/11? Most Americans still believe it was Iraq. WRONG. And BushCo knew that at the time.
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I see how you, pachelbel, twist facts.

Most Americans believe al-Qaeda was responsible for 9/11.

Most Americans believe that Congress in October 2002 knew members of al-Qaeda were in Iraq.

Many Americans believe it as necessary to remove al-Qaeda from Iraq as it is to remove al-Qaeda from Afghanistan.

While many Americans believe Bush blamed Iraq for 9/11, most Americans know--despite the media trying to convince them otherwise--Bush did not blame Iraq for 9/11.

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