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What do you want to bet that if the Palestinians opted to be good citizens, stopped fire bombing crowded busses and market places, etc. they won't be oppressed or discriminated against? At least Israel's track record with other Arabs would suggest that.

Foxfyre wrote:

What do you want to bet that if the Palestinians opted to be good citizens, stopped fire bombing crowded busses and market places, etc. they won't be oppressed or discriminated against? At least Israel's track record with other Arabs would suggest that.

As long as the state of Israel's raison d'etre is "a state for Jews, of Jews and by Jews," it will necessarily be discriminatory and oppressive towards its goyish (Arab in particular) population.

As long as the state of Israel's raison d'etre is "a state for Jews, of Jews and by Jews," it will necessarily be discriminatory and oppressive towards its goyish (Arab in particular) population.

Foxfyre wrote:

What do you want to bet that if the Palestinians opted to be good citizens, stopped fire bombing crowded busses and market places, etc. they won't be oppressed or discriminated against? At least Israel's track record with other Arabs would suggest that.

As long as the state of Israel's raison d'etre is "a state for Jews, of Jews and by Jews," it will necessarily be discriminatory and oppressive towards its goyish (Arab in particular) population.

Then how do you account for the 12% of the Israeli population who are Arabs who don't feel oppressed including those who serve on the Knesset and hold land and run businesses and enjoy full citizenship privileges in Israel?

How many Arab countries do you think have Jews among their leadership structure? You want me to suggest a number?

And what do you want to bet that if the law abiding Arab citizens of Israel start fire bombing crowded busses and marketplaces, they will very quickly be feeling oppressed and discriminated against?

And given Israel's track record on that score, I would bet a nice wage that if the Palestinians stopped fire bombing crowded busses and market places, they would no longer feel oppressed or discriminated against.

You see, I see it is a more reasonable approach for the Palestinians to stop doing violence and then negotiate for peace and full citizenship.

Israel has already tried negotiating for peace amidst the terrorist attacks, and it only resulted in more violence.

For the life of me, I can't see why the anti-Israel, pro-Palestinian crowd can't see that.

InfraBlue wrote:

As long as the state of Israel's raison d'etre is "a state for Jews, of Jews and by Jews," it will necessarily be discriminatory and oppressive towards its goyish (Arab in particular) population.

Is that in the countries charter somewhere?

7A. A candidates' list shall not participate in elections to the Knesset if its objects or actions, expressly or by implication, include one of the following:

(1) negation of the existence of the State of Israel as the state of the Jewish people;

McGentrix wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:

As long as the state of Israel's raison d'etre is "a state for Jews, of Jews and by Jews," it will necessarily be discriminatory and oppressive towards its goyish (Arab in particular) population.

Is that in the countries charter somewhere?

What's in the country's by-laws is this:

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7A. A candidates' list shall not participate in elections to the Knesset if its objects or actions, expressly or by implication, include one of the following:

(1) negation of the existence of the State of Israel as the state of the Jewish people;

The issues that I've brought up concrning the Arabs in Israel and Palestine, and specifically the case of Knesset Member Azmi Bishara, and the Or Commission report center around this assertion.

How do you get those 2 to equal out? What warped thinking leads you to that conclusion?

To Infrablue or anyone else:

Playing Devil's advocate for a moment, let's assume you're right and Israel does insist on a Jewish state which was precisely why Israel was chartered by the UN,

and let's assume that all those Arabs in the Knesset are disgruntled and all Arabs living in Israel or oppressed and discriminated against despite what they themselves say. . . .

What would be wrong with that?

Are you demanding that the Arab nations include Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, and all races in their governments and afford equal rights to everybody? Are you demanding the Arab countries not discriminate against Jews?

If not, why not?

Please provide your rationale for why Israel should not be Jewish but all their neighbors are okay if they insist on being Arab and/or Muslim.

Foxfyre wrote:

To Infrablue or anyone else:

Playing Devil's advocate for a moment, let's assume you're right and Israel does insist on a Jewish state which was precisely why Israel was chartered by the UN,

So, by what you are saying, mine isn't an assumption.

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and let's assume that all those Arabs in the Knesset are disgruntled and all Arabs living in Israel or oppressed and discriminated against despite what they themselves say. . . .

What would be wrong with that?

Discrimination and oppression are violations of peoples' human rights. That is what is wrong with discrimination and oppression.

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Are you demanding that the Arab nations include Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, and all races in their governments and afford equal rights to everybody? Are you demanding the Arab countries not discriminate against Jews?

Of course. Human beings are entitled to human rights.

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If not, why not?

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Please provide your rationale for why Israel should not be Jewish but all their neighbors are okay if they insist on being Arab and/or Muslim.

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If Israel really wants to show its neighbors what a true and full democracy is, one that is egalitarian and pluralistic, a Western one just like the USA, then it should lead the way and make itself a true and full democracy, egalitarian and pluralistic for all of its citizens.

old europe wrote:

Criminals, by definition, do not abide by the law either. Should the police therefore be exempt from following the law when prosecuting a criminal? How would you feel about that?

Speaking of straw men, how does police prosecuting criminals relate to terrorists fire bombing busloads of mostly kids? You honestly think the two things are comparable?

Now, however, if those criminals are methodically shooting into crowds of civilians or firebombing markets or trying to kill me or my kids and/or other loved ones, then yes, again, I really don't care what methods the police have to use to stop that.