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ISRAEL - IRAN - SYRIA - HAMAS - HEZBOLLAH - WWWIII?

 
 
gungasnake
 
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Reply Fri 1 Sep, 2006 05:52 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Krauthammer is an idiot, and Tomzz is little better.

Cycloptichorn


Shame you don't have the talent or the facts to back up such claims, isn't it?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 1 Sep, 2006 05:54 pm
As of this post, there are 2684 ways to back up that claim, to anyone who can search A2K.

As for Krauthammer, he's nothing but a chickenhawk. He would enlist if he truly believed in what he spouts, but he doesn't.

Cycloptichorn
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Fri 1 Sep, 2006 09:24 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
As of this post, there are 2684 ways to back up that claim...


I assume you're talking about injured and dead in Lebanon. Like I say, if Israel had fought the thing using the same rules the hezbullies use, there would be a million or more Lebanese casualties.

A hezbully in charge of Israel would have simply carpet-bombed the more densely populated areas of Lebanon without bothering to drop warning leaflets of any sort. And the bombs would have been packed with ball bearings.
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BernardR
 
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Reply Fri 1 Sep, 2006 10:06 pm
Gungasnake- Cyclopitchorn is IGNORANT. He obviously does not know that Krauthammer cannot enlist since he is partially paralyzed. He does not have the full use of his legs.

Only IGNORANT people like Cyclopitchorn make comments like that, Gungasnake!
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BernardR
 
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Reply Fri 1 Sep, 2006 10:15 pm
Gungasnake wrote:

Krauthammer wrote:

...The Lebanese know that Israel bombed easy-to-repair airport runways when it could have destroyed the new airport terminal and set Lebanon back 10 years. The Lebanese know that Israel attacked the Hezbollah TV towers when it could have pulverized Beirut's power grid, a billion-dollar reconstruction. The Lebanese know that the next time, Israel's leadership will hardly be as hesitant and restrained. Hezbollah dares not risk that next time....

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The Hezbollah WILL launch missles into Israel again and the Israelis will then retaliate by attacking Lebanon and this time, they will WIPE OUT BEIRUT'S POWER GRID.

But, the Lebanese can avoid such a horrendous loss-They can muzzle the Hezbollah.

The question is---Do they fear the Hezbollah more than they fear the loss of their Billion dollar power grid?
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McTag
 
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Reply Sat 2 Sep, 2006 01:09 am
gungasnake wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
As of this post, there are 2684 ways to back up that claim...


I assume you're talking about injured and dead in Lebanon. Like I say, if Israel had fought the thing using the same rules the hezbullies use, there would be a million or more Lebanese casualties.

A hezbully in charge of Israel would have simply carpet-bombed the more densely populated areas of Lebanon without bothering to drop warning leaflets of any sort. And the bombs would have been packed with ball bearings.


That's right. Israel, with its overwhelming military superiority and total control of the air, let them off very lightly indeed.
And in so doing, won the hearts and minds of people around the world. Rolling Eyes
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BernardR
 
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Reply Sat 2 Sep, 2006 01:19 am
McTag wrote:
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That's right. Israel, with its overwhelming military superiority and total control of the air, let them off very lightly indeed.
And in so doing, won the hearts and minds of people around the world.
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and
James Fallows, National Correspondent for Atlantic Magazine wrote in his essay-Declaring Victory- in the September 2006 issue of Atlantic Monthly-

"AlQaeda keeps killing Muslim civilians. That is their Achilles' heel. Everytime bombs go off and kill civilians, it works in the coalition's favor"
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Sat 2 Sep, 2006 03:20 am
McTag wrote:


That's right. Israel, with its overwhelming military superiority and total control of the air, let them off very lightly indeed.
And in so doing, won the hearts and minds of people around the world. Rolling Eyes


Thing is, I suspect that at this point, Israel has to view the kinds of people you refer to about the way I would, i.e. probably no longer really gives a flying **** about their "hearts and minds", and would settle for their asses.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 2 Sep, 2006 06:24 am
So, it's friday night and you've worked hard and you go into a bar thinking perhaps there might be someone sitting down who is half decently interesting and perhaps a rewarding conversation might ensue.

And there is one table where gungasnake and bernard are sitting.

Why bother, you guys?
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McTag
 
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Reply Sat 2 Sep, 2006 07:36 am
gungasnake wrote:
McTag wrote:


That's right. Israel, with its overwhelming military superiority and total control of the air, let them off very lightly indeed.
And in so doing, won the hearts and minds of people around the world. Rolling Eyes


Thing is, I suspect that at this point, Israel has to view the kinds of people you refer to about the way I would, i.e. probably no longer really gives a flying **** about their "hearts and minds", and would settle for their asses.


Worth reflecting though, that Israel owes its existence among other things to international opinion being in its favour.
More people now, including Jews, are debating whether a country which perceives the need to murder, subjugate and rob its neighbours is worth the candle. It is evidently not representing the ideals of the faith which gave it birth. So, is Israel an experiment which has failed?
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Sat 2 Sep, 2006 08:55 am
McTag wrote:


More people now, including Jews, are debating whether a country which perceives the need to murder, subjugate and rob its neighbours is worth the candle. It is evidently not representing the ideals of the faith which gave it birth. So, is Israel an experiment which has failed?



Honest truth and, again, I am a member of the Goyyim, I simply do not see where you guys come up with this crap.

Israel is basically doing a great deal of the world's dirty work for them. You could remove Israel and every living Jew from the planet and all it would do regarding Ahmadi-najad and all the other slam-nazis is move their schedule forward about five years.

It's like Benjamin Netanyahu was saying the other night, aside from atom bombs, Iran is also working on IRBMs and ICBMs with the range to hit London and New York, and they absolutely do not need that **** to hit Israel, which they can hit with what they have.

What do you think they're building that stuff for? Are you really that stupid??
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Advocate
 
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Reply Sat 2 Sep, 2006 10:57 am
It is just terrible how Israel defends itself. After all, those guys in Hezbollah and Hamas are just decent people who only seek to kill and capture soldiers. They would not blow up pizza parlors filled with women and kids, or religious dinner parties filled with the elderly.
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McTag
 
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Reply Sat 2 Sep, 2006 02:08 pm
gungasnake wrote:

Israel is basically doing a great deal of the world's dirty work for them. You could remove Israel and every living Jew from the planet and all it would do regarding Ahmadi-najad and all the other slam-nazis is move their schedule forward about five years.

It's like Benjamin Netanyahu was saying the other night, aside from atom bombs, Iran is also working on IRBMs and ICBMs with the range to hit London and New York, and they absolutely do not need that **** to hit Israel, which they can hit with what they have.


This sounds very like "we have to fight them in Afghanistan and in Iraq, so we don't have to fight them over here." And, just as credible.

Mr Netanyahu is not my first point of reference in matters of international politics.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Sat 2 Sep, 2006 04:02 pm
They what's your theory as to why Ahmadinajad wants NY range type ICBMs? Some new approach to the sport of duck hunting??
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BernardR
 
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Reply Sat 2 Sep, 2006 04:09 pm
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McTag wrote:
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That's right. Israel, with its overwhelming military superiority and total control of the air, let them off very lightly indeed.
And in so doing, won the hearts and minds of people around the world.
end of quote
and
James Fallows, National Correspondent for Atlantic Magazine wrote in his essay-Declaring Victory- in the September 2006 issue of Atlantic Monthly-

"AlQaeda keeps killing Muslim civilians. That is their Achilles' heel. Everytime bombs go off and kill civilians, it works in the coalition's favor"
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BernardR
 
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Reply Sat 2 Sep, 2006 04:10 pm
The reason heart patients who have stents in their hearts cannot go into a bar is that if they had a drink, their heads would probably explode, thereby finishing the damage that has already been done to their brains!!!
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sat 2 Sep, 2006 06:03 pm
BernardR wrote:
The reason heart patients who have stents in their hearts cannot go into a bar is that if they had a drink, their heads would probably explode, thereby finishing the damage that has already been done to their brains!!!

so Possum, just how long have you had a stent?
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BernardR
 
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Reply Sat 2 Sep, 2006 06:11 pm
Gungasnake wrote:

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They what's your theory as to why Ahmadinajad wants NY range type ICBMs? Some new approach to the sport of duck hunting??

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Gungasnake may be aware that Iran and its radical Religious leaders do indeed believe in the coming of the Twelfth Imam. They believe that when the Twelfth Imam returns, there will be a kind of Apocalyitic Event( LIKE A NUCLEAR EXCHANGE?) in which the enemies of Islam will be destroyed and the Caliphate will be re-established and the WHOLE WORLD WILL BE CONVERTED TO ISLAM>

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The return of the Mahdi

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Posted: May 5, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern




Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was invited to speak at the United Nations in October 2005. At the conclusion of his discourse, he called upon Allah to quickly usher in the re-emergence of the "Twelfth" or "Hidden Imam," sometimes referred to as the "Mahdi."

The fanatical leader later claimed that while he spoke to that august body, he was surrounded by a halo of light. Mr. Ahmadinejad regaled a local ayatollah with the story of how "The leaders of the world" stared at him during the time he spoke. He further claimed that they were unable to blink or turn away, as though some unseen force held them in a trance-like state. "When I say they didn't bat an eyelid, I'm not exaggerating, because I was looking at them," intoned Ahmadinejad.


Ahmadinejad is a Shia Muslim. Many of them believe that the Twelfth Imam, or Mahdi, the last in a line of saints descended from Ali, the founder of their sect, vanished down a well near Jamkaran, Iran, in A.D. 941. According to their beliefs, he went into a state of "occultation," like the sun being hidden behind the clouds; and, after a stormy period of apocalyptic wars, the clouds will part, and the "sun" (the Mahdi) will be revealed. They believe that when he is released from his imprisonment, the entire world will submit to Islam.

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That is why the radical fringe of Islam is so dangerous, Gungasnake.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sat 2 Sep, 2006 06:14 pm
McTag wrote:

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Worth reflecting though, that Israel owes its existence among other things to international opinion being in its favour.

Israel owes its initial existence to the UN's favor expressed in its 1947 resolution. Israel owes its subsequent existence to its own declaration of independence in 1948 followed almost immediately by Israel's determination to defend itself against all those surrounding it in the middle east who were in favor of its extermination. Israel's continuing existence depends on its continuing determination to defend itself against all those in the middle east who continue to favor its extinction.

More people now, including Jews, are debating whether a country which perceives the need to murder, subjugate and rob its neighbours is worth the candle. It is evidently not representing the ideals of the faith which gave it birth. So, is Israel an experiment which has failed?

Logically, here you must of course be writting about Iran, Syria, Lebanon, and Gaza, each "a country [whose governent] perceives the need to murder, subjugate and rob [Israel]." Also logically, you must of course be writing about the many residents of these countries who are traitors to "the ideals of the faith" which gave each country a new birth back in 638 A.D.. "So, is [Islam] an experiment that has failed?"

The answer is, of course neither Judaism or Islam is an experiment that has failed. What has failed are humans who think it ok to kill people who are non-combatants.


Those who kill non-combatants are combatants. Those who harbor killers of non-combatants are combatants, and are also killers of non-combatants. Those who kill killers of non-combatants and kill harborers of non-combatants are combatants defending non-combatants.
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xingu
 
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Reply Sun 3 Sep, 2006 07:41 am
The hypocrisy of those who support Israel.

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Criticize Israel? You're an Anti-Semite!

How can we have a real discussion about Mideast peace if speaking honestly about Israel is out of bounds?

By Rosa Brooks:

09/01/06 "Los Angeles Times" -- -- EVER WONDER what it's like to be a pariah?

Publish something sharply critical of Israeli government policies and you'll find out. If you're lucky, you'll merely discover that you've been uninvited to some dinner parties. If you're less lucky, you'll be the subject of an all-out attack by neoconservative pundits and accused of rabid anti-Semitism.

This, at least, is what happened to Ken Roth. Roth ?- whose father fled Nazi Germany ?- is executive director of Human Rights Watch, America's largest and most respected human rights organization. (Disclosure: I have worked in the past as a paid consultant for the group.) In July, after the Israeli offensive in Lebanon began, Human Rights Watch did the same thing it has done in Iraq, Afghanistan, Chechnya, Bosnia, East Timor, Sierra Leone, Congo, Uganda and countless other conflict zones around the globe: It sent researchers to monitor the conflict and report on any abuses committed by either side.

It found plenty. On July 18, Human Rights Watch condemned Hezbollah rocket strikes on civilian areas within Israel, calling the strikes "serious violations of international humanitarian law and probable war crimes." So far, so good. You can't lose when you criticize a terrorist organization.

But Roth and Human Rights Watch didn't stop there. As the conflict's death toll spiraled ?- with most of the casualties Lebanese civilians ?- Human Rights Watch also criticized Israel for indiscriminate attacks on civilians. Roth noted that the Israeli military appeared to be "treating southern Lebanon as a free-fire zone," and he observed that the failure to take appropriate measures to distinguish between civilians and combatants constitutes a war crime.

The backlash was prompt. Roth and Human Rights Watch soon found themselves accused of unethical behavior, giving aid and comfort to terrorists and anti-Semitism. The conservative New York Sun attacked Roth (who is Jewish) for having a "clear pro-Hezbollah and anti-Israel bias" and accused him of engaging in "the de-legitimization of Judaism, the basis of much anti-Semitism." Neocon commentator David Horowitz called Roth a "reflexive Israel-basher … who, in his zest to pillory Israel at every turn, is little more than an ally of the barbarians." The New Republic piled on, as did Alan Dershowitz, who claimed Human Rights Watch "cooks the books" to make Israel look bad. And writing in the Jewish Exponent, Jonathan Rosenblum accused Roth of resorting to a "slur about primitive Jewish bloodlust."

Anyone familiar with Human Rights Watch ?- or with Roth ?- knows this to be lunacy. Human Rights Watch is nonpartisan ?- it doesn't "take sides" in conflicts. And the notion that Roth is anti-Semitic verges on the insane.

But what's most troubling about the vitriol directed at Roth and his organization isn't that it's savage, unfounded and fantastical. What's most troubling is that it's typical. Typical, that is, of what anyone rash enough to criticize Israel can expect to encounter. In the United States today, it just isn't possible to have a civil debate about Israel, because any serious criticism of its policies is instantly countered with charges of anti-Semitism. Think Israel's tactics against Hezbollah were too heavy-handed, or that Israel hasn't always been wholly fair to the Palestinians, or that the United States should reconsider its unquestioning financial and military support for Israel? Shhh: Don't voice those sentiments unless you want to be called an anti-Semite ?- and probably a terrorist sympathizer to boot.

How did adopting a reflexively pro-Israel stance come to be a mandatory aspect of American Jewish identity? Skepticism ?- a willingness to ask tough questions, a refusal to embrace dogma ?- has always been central to the Jewish intellectual tradition. Ironically, this tradition remains alive in Israel, where respected public figures routinely criticize the government in far harsher terms than those used by Human Rights Watch.

In a climate in which good-faith criticism of Israel is automatically denounced as anti-Semitic, everyone loses. Israeli policies are a major source of discord in the Islamic world, and anger at Israel usually spills over into anger at the U.S., Israel's biggest backer.

With resentment of Israeli policies fueling terrorism and instability both in the Middle East and around the globe, it's past time for Americans to have a serious national debate about how to bring a just peace to the Middle East. But if criticism of Israel is out of bounds, that debate can't occur ?- and we'll all pay the price.

Back to Human Rights Watch's critics. Why waste time denouncing imaginary anti-Semitism when there's no shortage of the real thing? From politically motivated arrests of Jews in Iran to assaults on Jewish children in Ukraine, there's plenty of genuine anti-Semitism out there ?- and Human Rights Watch is usually taking the lead in condemning it. So if you're bothered by anti-Semitism ?- if you're bothered by ideologies that insist that some human lives have less value than others ?- you could do a whole lot worse than send a check to Human Rights Watch.

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