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Brandon9000 wrote:

blatham wrote:
...And you said
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2. At no point do you even attempt to engage my argument that any sins by the Israelis are minor compared to the endless string of atrocities committed by the Palestinians,

Look at what you wrote that I responded to. You didn't make that argument you say you made. It's not there.

If you wish your posts and arguments to be treated with respect, then take the care to make them respectable.

Like most liberals here, you attempt to profit from maintaining that something not said word for word literally wasn't said at all. That was the clear meaning of this quotation:

Brandon9000 wrote:

I guess that whole trying to survive thing the Israelis do is in pretty bad taste. The most horrific atrocities by the Palestinians over the past few decades, directed against Israel and Jews in general, are, of course, excusable.

If you lack the brains to understand any meaning not stated in simple and literal terms, don't expect me to waste my time arguing with you about it.

It's up to you entirely. If you write clearly, you'll more likely communicate what you are attempting to argue or claim. The added benefit for you (aside from this forcing you to think clearly) is that where/when you do so, the fellow your in discussion with will be less able to avoid your argument, or, such avoidance will be much more apparent. If you don't write clearly, you benefit no one, least of all yourself.

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Hezbollah and Hamas must be disarmed to free the Lebanese and Palestinians, as well as protect the Israelies.

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Yellology.

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blatham wrote:

Yellology.

Definition: the branch of perverse rhetoric which holds that the louder and more often one repeats an argument or position, the more valid it becomes.

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blatham wrote:

Yellology.

But he is communicating clearly.

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Foxfyre wrote:

blatham wrote:
Yellology.

But he is communicating clearly.

"Communication" requires the EXCHANGE of information, something neither Foxfyre nor Ican are familiar with.

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Advocate wrote:

Lest anyone can expect decency from the Palestinians, one need only look back a short time when two Israeli boys, on a hike, were grabbed and stoned to death.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,488588,00.html

We hear about the atrocities reported to the western media by Israeli interests..
We don't get to hear much about what the Israeli army, security forces, and settlers are up to.
But, we learn that a significant number of Israeli soldiers (and now: pilots) refuse orders because they cannot stomach the brutality and injustice routinely and over years meted out to the Palestinians.

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McTag wrote:

Advocate wrote:
Lest anyone can expect decency from the Palestinians, one need only look back a short time when two Israeli boys, on a hike, were grabbed and stoned to death.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,488588,00.html

We hear about the atrocities reported to the western media by Israeli interests..
We don't get to hear much about what the Israeli army, security forces, and settlers are up to.
But, we learn that a significant number of Israeli soldiers (and now: pilots) refuse orders because they cannot stomach the brutality and injustice routinely and over years meted out to the Palestinians.

Ya, if you listen to the conservatives and the Israeli apoligist you'd think all the murder and brutality is caused by one side only, the Muslim side.

http://www.jmcc.org/banner/banner1/childaqsa.htm

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=2409

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McTag, what is the percentage of Israeli forces are CO's. It is probably no more than the percentage of our forces who are CO's.

The Arabs are particularly animalistic in their actions. With Israel, there are, necessarily, collateral deaths. But it is beyond revulsion to take two innocent boys and stone them to death.

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But it is beyond revulsion to take two innocent boys and stone them to death.

Yes it is.

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The Arabs are particularly animalistic in their actions. With Israel, there are, necessarily, collateral deaths. But it is beyond revulsion to take two innocent boys and stone them to death.

Of course it is. Let me ask you, was Jenin a 'neccessary collateral' death?

I'll never forget it until the day I die

Cycloptichorn

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dyslexia wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:
blatham wrote:
Yellology.

But he is communicating clearly.

"Communication" requires the EXCHANGE of information, something neither Foxfyre nor Ican are familiar with.

Say again!

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Advocate wrote:

McTag, what is the percentage of Israeli forces are CO's. It is probably no more than the percentage of our forces who are CO's.

The Arabs are particularly animalistic in their actions. With Israel, there are, necessarily, collateral deaths. But it is beyond revulsion to take two innocent boys and stone them to death.

Yes. It's particularly revolting too, to drive a bulldozer over a lone peace activist, too- that one was witnessed. And western journalists carrying white flags were shot.
But we don't get reports of the main atrocities carried out by the Israelis.

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Advocate wrote:

McTag, what is the percentage of Israeli forces are CO's. It is probably no more than the percentage of our forces who are CO's.

The Arabs are particularly animalistic in their actions. With Israel, there are, necessarily, collateral deaths. But it is beyond revulsion to take two innocent boys and stone them to death.

But the Israelis are more humane. They just shoot the kids and run them over with trucks.

So that's OK.

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ican711nm wrote:

Hezbollah and Hamas must be disarmed to free the Lebanese and Palestinians, as well as protect the Israelies.

whisperology

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ican711nm wrote:

ican711nm wrote:
Hezbollah and Hamas must be disarmed to free the Lebanese and Palestinians, as well as protect the Israelies.

talkology

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ican711nm wrote:

ican711nm wrote:
Hezbollah and Hamas must be disarmed to free the Lebanese and Palestinians, as well as protect the Israelies.

whisperology

Ican, Hamas were voted into power in Gaza. They ARE the Palestinians.

Likewise, Hezbollah are very popular in Lebanon and would most likely form a majority party there, given elections soon.

Damned inconvenient, democracy, at times.

So your post, like so many of your other posts, is unhelpful.

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Thinkology.

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from BBC-NEWS :
"Turkish general vows to rout PKK

Gen Buyukanit was previously commander of Turkey's land forces
The new head of the Turkish army, Gen Yasar Buyukanit, has said that defeating Kurdish separatism is one of his main priorities.
Gen Buyukanit was speaking at a handover ceremony on Monday, where he succeeded Gen Hilmi Ozkok. It coincided with bomb blasts at two resorts.

He described the Kurdish rebels as "terrorists" who used democracy and human rights as a shield.

Gen Buyukanit also said Turkey was threatened by radical Islamism.

He holds strongly nationalist and secular views and is expected to advocate a tougher line against the growing Kurdish insurgency than his predecessor. "
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so now there are also kurdish "terrorists" .
i wonder how a possible attack by turkey on the kurds is going to
to change the situation in iraq ?
i understand that the kurds are (reluctant ?) allies of the united states .
will an attack by the turkish army change that ?
it certainly does not look as if the middle-east is going to get more peaceful anytime soon .
hbg

from wiki :
"Estimated at about 30 million people, the Kurds comprise one of the largest ethnic groups in the world without a separate country."

would the kurds also be entitled to have their "own" country/territory ?

...TURKEY-KURDISH CONFLICT...

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Israelies suffered collateral damage when they traded land for peace.

Israelies suffered collateral damage in 1948 before they traded anything for anything.

Hmmmm

I've got it!

The Israelies should trade peace for land.

But Hezbollah traded peace for land and suffered collateral damage.

Hmmmm

Aha! Hezbollah should trade land for peace, because they are not Israelies, and different rules apply to Hezbollah than apply to the Israelies.

Then there will be no collateral damage to either people.

Ya think Confused

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