Brand X wrote:His actions aren't matching your description.
Which actions of his are you referring to? That the president of Lebanon would put up a defense against and Israeli invasion? The president of Lebanon has an obligation to protect the sovereignty of Lebanon--piddling military and all--just as much as the Israel government has the obligation to protect the sovereignty of Israel.
Are you referring to the fact that the Lebanon government hadn't disarmed Hizballah? The government of Lebanon was working on a way to disarm Hizballah without angering the large Shiite minority in Lebanon and inciting a sectarian conflict within Lebanon, realizing that it hadn't the means to disarm Hizballah by force.
You're "pictures of the marriage of Hezbollah and the govt of Lebanon" are more like crayon drawings meant to further a grossly simplistic militarist agenda.
InfraBlue wrote:Brand X wrote:His actions aren't matching your description.
Which actions of his are you referring to? That the president of Lebanon would put up a defense against and Israeli invasion? The president of Lebanon has an obligation to protect the sovereignty of Lebanon--piddling military and all--just as much as the Israel government has the obligation to protect the sovereignty of Israel.
Are you referring to the fact that the Lebanon government hadn't disarmed Hizballah? The government of Lebanon was working on a way to disarm Hizballah without angering the large Shiite minority in Lebanon and inciting a sectarian conflict within Lebanon, realizing that it hadn't the means to disarm Hizballah by force.
You're "pictures of the marriage of Hezbollah and the govt of Lebanon" are more like crayon drawings meant to further a grossly simplistic militarist agenda.
We'll see. I'm willing to keep a corner of my mind filled with hope, hope that the Lebanese army does nothing.
Brand X wrote:InfraBlue wrote:Brand X wrote:His actions aren't matching your description.
Which actions of his are you referring to? That the president of Lebanon would put up a defense against and Israeli invasion? The president of Lebanon has an obligation to protect the sovereignty of Lebanon--piddling military and all--just as much as the Israel government has the obligation to protect the sovereignty of Israel.
Are you referring to the fact that the Lebanon government hadn't disarmed Hizballah? The government of Lebanon was working on a way to disarm Hizballah without angering the large Shiite minority in Lebanon and inciting a sectarian conflict within Lebanon, realizing that it hadn't the means to disarm Hizballah by force.
You're "pictures of the marriage of Hezbollah and the govt of Lebanon" are more like crayon drawings meant to further a grossly simplistic militarist agenda.
We'll see. I'm willing to keep a corner of my mind filled with hope, hope that the Lebanese army does nothing.
Oh, yea, the Lebanese should just say to Israel, "Go ahead O mighty Israel, destroy our cities and villiages, kill our young and old and we die for the glory in your name."
Didn't you know, revel, that this is the purpose of an army: regulate the traffic for the incoming invaders.
Lebanese Ministry of Defence
The website linked details various activities of the Israeli Army along with the harm done to Lebanese property, civilians, and military. There is NO mention of damage done to Hezbobollah or any mention of Hezbollah at all. I think that is interesting.
What exactly did Hezbobollah destroy in Lebanon? I miss these informations as well, none of the media I know reported about that.
Iraq parliament speaker calls for US withdrawal Sat Jul 22, 5:43 AM ET
BAGHDAD (AFP) - Iraq's parliament speaker Mahmud Mashhadani bitterly criticized US forces in Iraq, accusing them of "butchery" and demanded that they pull out of the country.
Mashhadani was speaking at a UN-sponsored conference on transitional justice and reconciliation in Baghdad, and his strongly worded attack appeared to embarrass his international hosts, who grimaced on the podium.
"Just get your hands off Iraq and the Iraqi people and Muslim countries, and everything will be all right," the conservative Sunni Islamist said, in a speech opening the conference.
"What has been done in Iraq is a kind of butchery of the Iraqi people," he said in a long winded speech that criticized the tactics of the coalition forces as well as US support for Israeli strikes against Lebanon.
The two day conference, which was originally supposed to be opened by Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, will address the issue of dealing with the crimes of previous Iraqi regimes and a plan to reconcile the country's warring factions.
The prime minister is expected to name a reconciliation committee Saturday.
Mashhadani bluntly told the audience of UN officials, foreign experts, Iraqi politicians and civil society representatives that the Iraqi people had little use for foreign advice on running the country or foreign-sponsored conferences.
"If a reconciliation project is going to work it has to talk to all the people," he said. "It must go through our Iraqi beliefs and perceptions. What we need is reconciliation between Iraqis only, there can be no third party."
To underscore his distaste for US forces in Iraq, he related an anecdote about how US soldiers keep people waiting in lines at checkpoints for hours because they insist on resting their bomb-sniffing dogs.
"The sleep of American dogs is more important than people being stopped in the street for hours," he said, evoking chuckles among Iraqi delegates.
The UN representative who then opened the conference subsequently referred to Mashhadani's speech as "spirited".
Mashhadani is a member of the main Sunni Arab parliamentary bloc, the National Concord Front, which is a member of Maliki's national unity government.
gungasnake wrote:Setanta wrote:
In the time of Solomon and David, they were very likely a client kingdom of the Phoenicians.....
Gunga Din's crudity removed in the interest of good taste.
The queen of Egypt (Hatshepsut) does not pay state visits to a "client kingdom of the phoenicians"....
Hatshepsut was "a queen" only in the sense that she proclaimed herself Pharoah during the minority of her son. She is routinely referred to as the fifth Pharoah of the XVIIIth Dynasty. She is believe to have reigned from just before 1500 BCE to about 1480 BCE.
The Exodus (which only has biblical support to have been an actual historical event) is thought by most religious scholars to have taken place in the reign of Thutmose or Amenhotep in the XVIIIth Dyansty, circa 1440 BCE. A significant minority of secular scholars consider that if it did take place it would have taken place in the reign of Ramses II--about 1290 BCE.
So in your typical fantasy world of history, you have Hatshepsut, who is not recorded in any Egyptian source to have visited Palestine, paying a visit to the "nation" of Israel before it actually existed, even by the fantasy-laden timeline embodied in the propaganda email provided by Advocate.
You expect to be taken seriously in your historical pronouncements?
Freedom, the words "propaganda" and "truth" are not mutually exclusive.
Main Entry: pro·pa·gan·da
Pronunciation: "prä-p&-'gan-d&, "prO-
Function: noun
Etymology: New Latin, from Congregatio de propaganda fide Congregation for propagating the faith, organization established by Pope Gregory XV died 1623
1 capitalized : a congregation of the Roman curia having jurisdiction over missionary territories and related institutions
2 : the spreading of ideas, information, or rumor for the purpose of helping or injuring an institution, a cause, or a person
3 : ideas, facts, or allegations spread deliberately to further one's cause or to damage an opposing cause; also : a public action having such an effect
It should be obvious that Israel is fed up with being endlessly rocketed. How can one carry on knowing that he or she may be hit with a rocket at any time. (This doesn't mention the suicide bombers, kidnappers, et al.) Therefore, Israel is hitting Gaza and Lebanon hard to somehow stop the rocketing once and for all. Who of you would do anything different?
Advocate wrote:
It should be obvious that Israel is fed up with being endlessly rocketed. How can one carry on knowing that he or she may be hit with a rocket at any time. (This doesn't mention the suicide bombers, kidnappers, et al.) Therefore, Israel is hitting Gaza and Lebanon hard to somehow stop the rocketing once and for all. Who of you would do anything different?
I#m just imagining that the UK hit the USA because some there supported the IRA ...
Set, thanks for the historical essay, which lacks cites. I have doubts on its accuracy, but am insufficiently motivated to check it out.
Walter Hinteler wrote:
I'm just imagining that the UK hit the USA because some there supported the IRA ...
And France invades Spain and Spain France because each country hosts ETA terrorists ...
Advocate wrote:Set, thanks for the historical essay, which lacks cites. I have doubts on its accuracy, but am insufficiently motivated to check it out.
You doubts arose because of ... what? (I mean, some basic knowlege of Egypt should be there of you discuss and/or doubt it.)
Israel has been pounding Hezbollah for 10 days yet Hezbollah are still able to fire missiles into Israel.
With this much fire power 'snuck' into Lebanon how can the upper echelons of their gov't not be dirty? Not to mention all the bunkers that were built.
My guess is Syria had infiltrated the Lebanese gov't the day Israel pulled out in 2000, if not before.
Advocate wrote:Set, thanks for the historical essay, which lacks cites. I have doubts on its accuracy, but am insufficiently motivated to check it out.
If you want to dispute it's contents, you can easily search online for Baal and Jawist, the Babylonian Captivity, Judas Maccabeus . . . there is a wealth of key words there if you wish to search it.
The email you posted provided not a single citation for its contentions, yet you wish to dispute my reservations about it because of a lack of citations?
Brand X wrote:
My guess is Syria had infiltrated the Lebanese gov't the day Israel pulled out in 2000, if not before.
Most certainly cloned Syrians and none of them is a Lebanese at all.
And the Christians in the government are all converted Muslims.
Set, as you know, I apologized for forwarding unsupported propaganda. I gather that you sincerely believe the unsupported stuff in your essay.
Walter, your irony is silly. And your analogies are poor.
Advocate wrote:
Walter, your irony is silly. And your analogies are poor.
Thanks for those marks. I'll try better next time, I'll promise.
But please don't report it to my parents, will you?
i have the strange feeling that the major unrest (?) , war in the middle east is welcomed by a certain group of born again christians - small perhaps but perhaps quite powerful .
i recall the interview one of the leaders gave on '60 minutes' - can't recall his name , was a retired GE vice-president i believe.
he was leading several groups of pilgrims to israel ('the holy land" - more like the blood-stained land) .
he stated that he and his followers were preparing for the second coming of christ . he stated further that the jews would either have to convert to the christian faith or be killed .
when mike wallace asked why he would want the jews to be killed , he stated quite earnestly : "it's god's will , nothing personal ".
not living in the united states , i don't know how large that group of born again christians is or how powerful thay are , but it did make me shiver to hear god , jesus and the killing of the jews mentioned as if talking about taking an outing for a sunday afternoon .
i seem to reacall that the speaker for BAC spoke about the coming 'rapture' .
hbg
