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Democratic Party leadership statements of support for Israel

 
 
gungasnake
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jul, 2006 08:18 pm
freedom4free wrote:
One Giant Gaza Strip

Israel has justified the carnage by pointing to the 2 soldiers who were captured by members of the Lebanese resistance organization, Hezbollah. But Israel's defense is hopelessly flawed.

What if relatives or friends of the many US detainees who've been illegally imprisoned at Guantanamo, decided to use F-16s and laser-guided missiles to attack the Golden Gate Bridge......


I see you're not going to try to reply to my comments about your idol (the misunderstood genius) Adolf Hitler. See what you think of this:


http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20060717/capt.c8723701e8f644f0b5befd7df750e8ea.aptopix_mideast_israel_lebanon_asc103.jpg

Israeli kids autographing 155 mm shells to send to the slammite fascists in south lebanon...

Actually, they might be rubbing bacon grease into the shell casings. Consider the story of Jack Pershing:

http://www.crusaderammunition.com

Crusader Ammunition dot com Neat, huh?

http://www.crusaderammunition.com/shield-2.jpg
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okie
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jul, 2006 08:42 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:

In this case, your analogy is terrible, because Israel was never in any real danger as a nation. Their response is the equivalent of you killing or maiming someone who threw a pebble at your front door. Sure, it'll stop their actions, but will it make you safer in the long run?

Cycloptichorn


So blowing up buses, suicide bombs in markets, lobbing missiles into cities, kidnapping soldiers, etc., and threatening to wipe the country off the map, is like throwing a pebble at their front door? Are you mentally okay, cyclops? You are trying very hard to be a terrorist apologist. I think you are succeeding. I suppose Hitler was simply throwing pebbles at other peoples front door too? He was simply misunderstood, is that it?

This is not that complicated. Simplify the problem, which is, do you believe Israel should survive and have a right to defend itself, or perhaps you do not? Again, which is it?
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okie
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jul, 2006 08:50 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
look who's talking about denial. Damn morons.

okie et thinks it's so easy to get rid of Hezbollah, they can't figure out why the great US army is having so much difficulties in Iraq and Afghanistan. They still can't see the Iran connection to all of these problems. Hell, Lebannon is an easy target; bomb them to smitherines, and maybe Hezbollah will disappear. Dummass.


When did I say it was going to be easy? When did I say I see no Iran connection?

It appears to me the Lebanese have allowed the terrorists to operate freely, perhaps because they are afraid of rounding them up and causing more factional fighting and opposition to the government by the gangs and thugs, so they turn a blind eye. Well, thats the problem, blind eyes aren's going to work forever, the problem needs to be confronted. Same with Syria, they promise one thing, and behind the scenes they do another.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jul, 2006 08:57 pm
then, what's this support for Israel using a sledge hammer on a pin? Do you understand anything about "innocent lives" or "over-kill?"
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jul, 2006 09:03 pm
Jerusalem Peacemakers is a support network in Israel, Palestine and worldwide, bonded since 2000 by shared concerns about justice and peace
http://www.jerusalempeacemakers.org/home.html
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okie
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jul, 2006 09:06 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
then, what's this support for Israel using a sledge hammer on a pin? Do you understand anything about "innocent lives" or "over-kill?"


So your argument is blame the victim. So somebody lobs a grenade into your house, so you lob it back, and its your fault? Great reasoning imposter!
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jul, 2006 10:42 pm
okie wrote:
So your argument is blame the victim. So somebody lobs a grenade into your house, so you lob it back, and its your fault? Great reasoning imposter!

Okay, okie, show me where I said that?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jul, 2006 10:49 pm
A friend in the land of oz just send this (highlighted by me):


A letter to the editor of the Sydney Morning Herald today:


Isn't it amazing how Muslims from around the world are up in arms that civilians are suffering in the fighting between Israel, Hezbollah and Hamas in Lebanon and Gaza.

What a stark difference to the reactions from them when innocent civilians were deliberately being targeted by terrorists in New York, Bali, Madrid and London, all in the name of Islam; not a whisper of condemnation and, in fact, agreement if not outright celebration. This is flagrant sickening hypocrisy on a grand scale that we should all carefully note.

Barry Cohen
Hamilton Hill (WA)
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jul, 2006 11:35 pm
Apparently, these Aussies never read these:

Muslim World Condemns Attacks on U.S.

Islamic Statements Against Terrorism
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 18 Jul, 2006 12:53 am
http://i2.tinypic.com/20a43dw.jpg

(The Guardian, 18.07.2006, page 25)
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 18 Jul, 2006 09:16 am
okie wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:

In this case, your analogy is terrible, because Israel was never in any real danger as a nation. Their response is the equivalent of you killing or maiming someone who threw a pebble at your front door. Sure, it'll stop their actions, but will it make you safer in the long run?

Cycloptichorn


So blowing up buses, suicide bombs in markets, lobbing missiles into cities, kidnapping soldiers, etc., and threatening to wipe the country off the map, is like throwing a pebble at their front door? Are you mentally okay, cyclops? You are trying very hard to be a terrorist apologist. I think you are succeeding. I suppose Hitler was simply throwing pebbles at other peoples front door too? He was simply misunderstood, is that it?

This is not that complicated. Simplify the problem, which is, do you believe Israel should survive and have a right to defend itself, or perhaps you do not? Again, which is it?


Yes, minor provocations and acts of terrorism are like throwing pebbles or small rocks at your front door.

You don't seem to understand that none of those acts threaten the integrity of Israel. None. They ruin people's lives, individually, but in no way is Israel threatened with non-survival by pinpricks such as this.

9/11 was a greater example of the same thing. I've said it before: countries cannot be taken over by terrorism! Terrorism is not the same thing as armed incursion by a force into one's country! At best, they can damage the country and scare the populace.

To compare this to having a grenade thrown into one's house (which will blow your house up and 'destroy' your country) shows that you don't understand the nature of terrorism nor of this conflict, Okie. The rest of your hyperventilating in that post I'll ignore rather than ridicule you about.

Cycloptichorn
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 18 Jul, 2006 09:26 am
[walter] Enough pinpricks will most certainly kill you. [/walter]
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 18 Jul, 2006 09:51 am
Walter, Your cartoon says it all; our president no longer gets or receives the respect as our head of state once enjoyed throughout this world. That should speak volumes to Bush supporters, but they fail to see it.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Tue 18 Jul, 2006 11:27 am
Dahr Jamail | "Open War" in the Middle East
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/071806J.shtml
"There is a frightening undercurrent of rage among the people in the Middle East toward their governments: The Arab world is on fire over the injustice meted out against the Palestinian people, as well as to the Lebanese. The Israeli people are deeply angered at their government for failing to provide security (of course our corporate media would never report on the fact that hundreds of thousands of Israelis oppose their government's actions in Gaza and beyond) - instead, preferring peaceful resolutions rather than brutal, unjust, failed occupation and ongoing acts of aggression," writes Dahr Jamail.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 18 Jul, 2006 11:31 am
Another successful handling of this crisis by Bush; Americans are still stranded in Lebanon while most counrtires have evacuated their citizens to safety.

I'll betcha they'll be voting democratic during the next election.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Tue 18 Jul, 2006 11:47 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
Another successful handling of this crisis by Bush; Americans are still stranded in Lebanon while most counrtires have evacuated their citizens to safety.


"Most countries have evacuated their citizens"? Please substantiate this claim. CNN is running a story right now that says:

CNN wrote:
A French ferry is one of a few vessels that have made it so far from Lebanon to Larnaca on the nearby Mediterranean island of Cyprus. From there, people are flying to their home countries.

More than 100 Europeans and Americans joined at least 800 French citizens on the French ferry, the lera Petra, which arrived Tuesday morning in Larnaca, the French Foreign Ministry said.

LINK
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 18 Jul, 2006 12:07 pm
ticomaya doesn't understand how to analyze news he gets; over 25,000 Americans are still stranded in Lebanon. Most other countries have evacuated their citizens to safety. What is it about my statements you don't understand?
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Tue 18 Jul, 2006 12:14 pm
"Before being evacuated on U.S.-chartered ships, Americans are being asked to sign promissory notes to repay the U.S. government for the journey.

That demand outraged House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, who said the United States has an obligation to get citizens out of harm's way without "quibbling over payment."

"A nation that can provide more than $300 billion for a war in Iraq can provide the money to get its people out of Lebanon," the California Democrat said in a statement. "I call upon the president to remove one worry from the minds of stranded American citizens in Lebanon and their families back home by declaring immediately that their country will bear the costs of bringing them to safety."

White House spokesman Tony Snow said Tuesday that the payments -- or "reimbursements" -- to the State Department were mandated under the 2003 Foreign Relations Authorization Act passed by Congress." http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/18/lebanon.evacuation/index.html
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 18 Jul, 2006 12:22 pm
Yup, more will vote democratic during the next election.

Help Iraq, but screw Americans - they only pay taxes.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Tue 18 Jul, 2006 12:27 pm
At last Bushie has found a law he wont defy.
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