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Contradictions in the Bible...

 
 
Intrepid
 
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Reply Fri 14 Jul, 2006 08:03 pm
xingu wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
Setanta wrote:
Conceit lay in the contention that it were the greatest source . . . Hooters gave large sums of money for hurrican relief in the US, and when it was revealed that some people had abused government credit cards to buy champagne, Hooters stepped in and picked up that bill.

Shall we therefore decide that Hooters is an organization as charitable and morally correct as your church? Should we tout the employment of busty young women in skimpy outfits?


If that is your pleasure. The bible seems to have little to say on this matter.


Another fine example of how the overly religious have lost their ability to think for themselves. Perhaps Intrepid your to ignorant of the Bible know that it does have something to say on this subject. Do you not know that anyone with a thorough knowledge of the Bible can find a passage somewhere and have it interrupted in such a way that the Bible will say whatever you want it to say? But then another Biblicist may come along and find a contradiction.

If God had an ounce of common sense and he would have wanted to write a book delivering a simple message that would be understood by all of humanity he would never had written a book like the Bible. If God was prankster who loved to spread disharmony and foster discord the Bible was the perfect book to write. That's why there are over 30,000 different Christian sects in this world, some of whom can't even decide such simple issues as to what day to go to church on.

They all have to thumb through their Bibles searching for some passage that can be interrupted in such a way as to defend their opinion, dogma or actions. Without this Biblical support they are lost and confused.


You are indeed a source of amusement. Setanta was speaking of Hooter girls and I told him there is no reference in the bible. His post was entirely off topic. You seem to think that things should be picked randomly out of the bible to make a point. Those of you with no faith do this all the time and you expect those who actually read the bible to do the same.

If, as you claim, the bible does have something to say on this subject....put your knowledge to the fore and provide it. In your great wisdom, you failed to realize that God did not write the bible as you claim.

I can't see anything of value that you have added. You don't believe what is in scripture, but you attempt to put forth a depth of wisdom about it that you don't possess.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Fri 14 Jul, 2006 08:07 pm
material girl wrote:
material girl wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
wandeljw wrote:
material girl wrote:
yitwail wrote:
wandeljw wrote:

In my opinion, because the very definition of faith is belief without proof.


wandel, the dictionary agrees with you:

Quote:
1. Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.
2. Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.



To people with faith-Do you look both ways before you cross the road?


We have faith. We are not stupid. You seem to have faith confused with blind stupidity. There is a difference, you know.

Question


Then whats the difference?



This is when you havnt answered my 'What do you have faith in?' question.

I cant discuss something without an answer.
If you would say what you had faith in it would make this fair.Surely your faith would protect you in a road crossing situation, when there are plenty of people that have faith in doctors yet sadly people still get ill/die.

If you cant attempt to answer a simple question then its not you that should be putting people down for asking questions.
Do you ridicule children too when they ask questions to understand things?

Your really not being fair, it would be nice if you could answer a question.


Let me ask you a question. What do you think faith is? I find it difficult to provide you with any further answer given your apparent lack of understanding of what faith is. I will tell you what it is not. It is not something magical that picks you up out of the street to get you out of the path of a speeding car.
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Treya
 
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Reply Sat 15 Jul, 2006 08:00 am
Frank gave me a link in another thread to a skeptics sight about these "contradictions" in the bible and since no one is really bringing up a whole lot I thought I would go and look for myself to see what's up with this. So... read, comment, do whatever, but I'm looking for answers here, that's why I'm posting it. Here's the first question on this sight:

How many men did the chief of David's captains kill?

Here's the scriptures they list as being a contradiction:

2 Samuel 23:6
The ... chief among the captains ... he lift up his spear against eight hundred, whom he slew at one time.


1 Chronicles 11:11
...the chief of the captains: he lifted up his spear against three hundred slain by him at one time.


Here's the actual scriptures in context:

2 Samuel 23:8,9
8These be the names of the mighty men whom David had: The Tachmonite that sat in the seat, chief among the captains; the same was Adino the Eznite: he lift up his spear against eight hundred, whom he slew at one time. 9And after him was Eleazar the son of Dodo the Ahohite, one of the three mighty men with David, when they defied the Philistines that were there gathered together to battle, and the men of Israel were gone away:

1 Chronicles 11:10-12
10These also are the chief of the mighty men whom David had, who strengthened themselves with him in his kingdom, and with all Israel, to make him king, according to the word of the LORD concerning Israel. 11And this is the number of the mighty men whom David had; Jashobeam, an Hachmonite, the chief of the captains: he lifted up his spear against three hundred slain by him at one time. 12And after him was Eleazar the son of Dodo, the Ahohite, who was one of the three mighties.

Out of David's three mighty men, one killed eight hundred, one killed three hundred.
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Treya
 
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Reply Sat 15 Jul, 2006 11:40 am
Next question:

Was Abraham justified by faith or works?

Their "evidence":

Romans 4:2
For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory.


James 2:21
Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?


The scriptures in context:

Romans 4
1 What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness."

James 2
20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, "Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness." And he was called the friend of God.

Abraham was therefore justified by both.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Sat 15 Jul, 2006 02:36 pm
hephzibah wrote:
Frank gave me a link in another thread to a skeptics sight about these "contradictions" in the bible


hephzibah,
I have looked through Skeptic magazine only once or twice. My impression was that the writers of the articles do not really qualify as experts on the subjects they were writing about. Did Frank consider them to be a reputable source?
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Treya
 
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Reply Sat 15 Jul, 2006 11:23 pm
I'm assuming so since he posted the link for me... Razz
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xingu
 
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Reply Sun 16 Jul, 2006 05:35 am
The site. It's a good site but, as with the Bible, one should always check things out for yourself and not blindly believe everything you read.

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/by_name.html
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Treya
 
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Reply Sun 16 Jul, 2006 06:51 am
I agree xingu... that is precisely why I am posting what I am here. I want to see if there is any merit to many of these "said" contradictions. If/when I get through this one I'm going to do my own google for contradictions in the bible and see what comes up. I'm sure there's a LOT out there. I just thought this might be a good starting point since it was a link posted for me by one of our fellow members who says there are a lot of contradictions. It's always interesting to see the source of peoples beliefs or ideals. I'm still searching for my own source, which is the other reason this whole thing is so interesting to me. Smile
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xingu
 
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Reply Sun 16 Jul, 2006 07:07 am
I'm surprised no one has bought up the JEPD controversy.
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Treya
 
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Reply Sun 16 Jul, 2006 07:28 am
Hmmm... well.... that looks interesting. However, My angle in this thread, if that's what you want to call it, is that there are many people out there, (not just at a2k) that state the bible is not valid based on all the contradictions it contains. Having heard this for so many years I have finally decided it's time to take a look for myself.

A few years ago I got this idea that the bible had within it the answer for everything. When I say everything I mean literally everything. That it still my theory at this point, however I'm willing to prove that theory wrong if possible. If there are contradictions in the bible. True contradictions... then darn it, I want to know. I want to see it because that would blow my theory right out the window which would allow me to adjust my life accordingly.

However, if this God I believe in is true and faithful as the bible say's that He is, and the bible is really the "inspired word of God", I believe with my whole heart that the truth will be revealed... Whatever that is. After all the bible itself says, "seek and you will find, knock and it will be opened"... I think it is good to seek answers in life. To want to understand and see things. To not hide ourselves simply because we are afraid of being proven wrong about something. So... I'm willing to accept the end result of this either way.
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material girl
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jul, 2006 02:02 am
snood wrote:
Okay, oh wide-eyed innocent, I'll play.


I have faith in a higher power that I believe loves me and knows what is good for me better than I do myself.


do yer dangdest....


I have no idea why I asked 'whats the difference?'.Im sorry,I certainly didnt mean to imply that faith and stupidity are the same thing.Goodness knows what my head was trying to ask at the time.

Im not here to fight.

How does your higher power let you know whats best for you?
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Treya
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jul, 2006 10:15 am
Next question:

How many sons did Abraham have?

Their scriptures:


Quote:
Hebrews 11:17
By faith Abraham when he was tried, offered up Isaac, ... his only begotten son.


Hebrews 11:17-19
7 By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac, and he who had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, 18 of whom it was said, "In Isaac your seed shall be called," 19 concluding that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead, from which he also received him in a figurative sense.

Genesis 21
8 So the child grew and was weaned. And Abraham made a great feast on the same day that Isaac was weaned. 9 And Sarah saw the son of Hagar the Egyptian, whom she had borne to Abraham, scoffing. 10 Therefore she said to Abraham, "Cast out this bondwoman and her son; for the son of this bondwoman shall not be heir with my son, namely with Isaac." 11 And the matter was very displeasing in Abraham's sight because of his son. 12 But God said to Abraham, "Do not let it be displeasing in your sight because of the lad or because of your bondwoman. Whatever Sarah has said to you, listen to her voice; for in Isaac your seed shall be called. 13 Yet I will also make a nation of the son of the bondwoman, because he is your seed."


They left out the most important part. "Of whom it was said..." Not implying that Issac was the "ONLY begotten son. However He IS the only one that Abraham was told his seed would be blessed in.

Quote:
Genesis 22:2
Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, ... and offer him there for a burnt offering.


Genesis 22:2
2 Then He said, "Take now your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains of which I shall tell you."


Again they left out the most important part. "Whom you love". Here's the hebrew definition for only as used in this scripture:

3173 yachiyd yaw-kheed' from 3161; properly, united, i.e. sole; by implication, beloved; also lonely; (feminine) the life (as not to be replaced):--darling, desolate, only (child, son), solitary.

As well as the hebrew definition for love as used in this scripture:

157 'ahab aw-hab' or raheb {aw-habe'}; a primitive root; to have affection for (sexually or otherwise):--(be-)love(-d, -ly, -r), like, friend.

Quote:
Genesis 16:15
And Hagar bare Abraham a son: and Abram called his son's name, which Hagar bare, Ishmael.


Ismael was not the son that Abraham was told his seed would be blessed in.

Genesis 15
1 After these things the word of the LORD came to Abram in a vision, saying, "Do not be afraid, Abram. I am your shield, your exceedingly great reward."2 But Abram said, "Lord GOD, what will You give me, seeing I go childless, and the heir of my house is Eliezer of Damascus?" 3 Then Abram said, "Look, You have given me no offspring; indeed one born in my house is my heir!" 4 And behold, the word of the LORD came to him, saying, "This one shall not be your heir, but one who will come from your own body shall be your heir." 5 Then He brought him outside and said, "Look now toward heaven, and count the stars if you are able to number them." And He said to him, "So shall your descendants be."



Genesis 16
1 Now Sarai, Abram's wife, had borne him no children. And she had an Egyptian maidservant whose name was Hagar. 2 So Sarai said to Abram, "See now, the LORD has restrained me from bearing children. Please, go in to my maid; perhaps I shall obtain children by her." And Abram heeded the voice of Sarai.


Genesis 16
15 So Hagar bore Abram a son; and Abram named his son, whom Hagar bore, Ishmael. 16 Abram was eighty-six years old when Hagar bore Ishmael to Abram.

Genesis 17
17 Then Abraham fell on his face and laughed, and said in his heart, "Shall a child be born to a man who is one hundred years old? And shall Sarah, who is ninety years old, bear a child?" 18 And Abraham said to God, "Oh, that Ishmael might live before You!" 19 Then God said: "No, Sarah your wife shall bear you a son, and you shall call his name Isaac; I will establish My covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his descendants after him. 20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard you. Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly. He shall beget twelve princes, and I will make him a great nation. 21 But My covenant I will establish with Isaac, whom Sarah shall bear to you at this set time next year."



Quote:
Genesis 21:2-3
For Sarah conceived, and bare Abraham a son is his old age .... And Abraham called him Isaac.


Again they left out the most important part. THIS is the son God had spoken to Abraham about. Not Ismael.

Genesis 21:2-4
2 For Sarah conceived and bore Abraham a son in his old age, at the set time of which God had spoken to him.


Quote:
Genesis 25:1-2
Then again Abraham took a wife, and her name was Keturah. And she bare him Zimran, and Jokshan, and Medan, and Midian, and Ishbak, and Shuah.


So according to these scriptures Abraham had eight sons.

Quote:
Galatians 4:22
Abraham had two sons; the one by a bond-woman, and the other by a free woman.


Galatians 4:21,22
21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 3 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants


So really... these scriptures they are refereing to as being indicators of how many children Abraham had are not indicating that at all. Rather they are speaking about the promise of God to Abraham concerning a specific son of his.
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Treya
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jul, 2006 06:46 pm
Was Abiathar the father or the son of Ahimelech?

Their Scriptures:


Quote:
1 Samuel 22:20
And one of the sons of Ahimelech the son of Ahibub, named Abiathar.


Quote:
1 Samuel 23:6
Abiathar the son of Ahimelech.


Quote:
2 Samuel 8:17, 1 Chronicles 18:16, 24:6
Ahimelech the son of Abiathar.


Ahimelech the son of Ahitub, named Abiathar, escaped and fled after David. 21 And Abiathar told David that Saul had killed the LORD's priests.


2 Samuel 8:16-18
16 Joab the son of Zeruiah was over the army; Jehoshaphat the son of Ahilud was recorder; 17 Zadok the son of Ahitub and Ahimelech the son of Abiathar were the priests; Seraiah was the scribe; 18 Benaiah the son of Jehoiada was over both the Cherethites and the Pelethites; and David's sons were chief ministers.

1 Chronicles 24
5 Thus they were divided by lot, one group as another, for there were officials of the sanctuary and officials of the house of God, from the sons of Eleazar and from the sons of Ithamar. 6 And the scribe, Shemaiah the son of Nethanel, one of the Levites, wrote them down before the king, the leaders, Zadok the priest, Ahimelech the son of Abiathar, and the heads of the fathers' houses of the priests and Levites, one father's house taken for Eleazar and one for Ithamar.

1 Chronicles 24
1 Now these are the divisions of the sons of Aaron. The sons of Aaron were Nadab, Abihu, Eleazar, and Ithamar. 2 And Nadab and Abihu died before their father, and had no children; therefore Eleazar and Ithamar ministered as priests. 3 Then David with Zadok of the sons of Eleazar, and Ahimelech of the sons of Ithamar, divided them according to the schedule of their service.

1 Samuel 26:6
6 Then David answered, and said to Ahimelech the Hittite and to Abishai the son of Zeruiah, brother of Joab, saying, "Who will go down with me to Saul in the camp?" And Abishai said, "I will go down with you."


Hmmmm... I think it depends which Ahimelech we're talking about here. It appears to me that Ahimelech was just about as popular a name back then as "John" is now.

So then I have a question as well...

If John has a son and names him James and James has a son and names him John... is John James father, or James Johns father?

Just a thought. Smile
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Treya
 
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Reply Tue 18 Jul, 2006 11:06 am
Next question:

Who was Abijam's mother?

Quote:
1 Kings 15:1-2
Now in the eighteenth year of king Jeroboam the son of Nebat reigned Abijam over Judah. Three years reigned he in Jerusalem. And his mother's name was Maachah, the daughter of Abishalom.


Quote:
2 Chronicles 13:1-2
Now in the eighteenth year of king Jeroboam began Abijah to reign over Judah. Three years reigned he in Jerusalem. His mother's name also was Michaiah the daughter of Uriel.


Shocked

Ummmm...




ahem...




errrr...




NEXT!


Ok... I'm still working on this one. May need some time... all I've got to say right now is...

Holy guacamole batman... I think they got me!

LOL

So.... moving on...
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Treya
 
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Reply Wed 19 Jul, 2006 10:43 am
Ok here goes nothing... I'm going to address both questions at the same time.

Now... before I get started here let me say a few things. This is the best I've got to give at this point. What I would like to demonstrate here is the difference between our culture and the Jewish culture. Though it may appear that I am "grasping at straws" (and maybe I am) I'm certainly not trying to do that. I merely want to understand this. Both of these questions involve a family who was not talked about much in the bible at all apparently. I do believe there is an explanation for this, which is what I wish to present. If anything, just as something to think about and consider. However, if it comes right down to it and this sounds like nothing more than a load of BS... well... I guess we'll just have to write this one off as a contradiction until it can be proven otherwise.

First question:

Who was Abijam's mother?

Maachah, the daughter of Abishalom
Quote:
1 Kings 15:1-2
Now in the eighteenth year of king Jeroboam the son of Nebat reigned Abijam over Judah. Three years reigned he in Jerusalem. And his mother's name was Maachah, the daughter of Abishalom.


Michaiah the daughter of Uriel
Quote:
2 Chronicles 13:1-2
Now in the eighteenth year of king Jeroboam began Abijah to reign over Judah. Three years reigned he in Jerusalem. His mother's name also was Michaiah the daughter of Uriel.


Second question:

How were Abijam and Asa related?

Abijam was Asa's father.
Quote:
1 Kings 15:8
And Abijam slept with his fathers; and they buried him in the city of David: and Asa his son reigned in his stead.


Abijam was Asa's brother. (They both had the same mother, Maachah.)
Quote:
1 Kings 15:1-2
Now in the eighteenth year of king Jeroboam the son of Nebat reigned Abijam over Judah. Three years reigned he in Jerusalem. And his mother's name was Maachah, the daughter of Abishalom.


Quote:
1 Kings 15:9-10
And in the twentieth year of Jeroboam king of Israel reigned Asa over Judah. And forty and one years reigned he in Jerusalem. And his mother's name was Maachah, the daughter of Abishalom.


First let me point out that in neither of these scriptures does it refer to Asa as Abijam's brother. It states who his "mother" is. That is important to note because the Jewish culture again is much different from ours. Their language, their ideals, their practices, and so forth. For centuries the Jews have lived in a "community" setting. Much different than ours. The majority of our "family" often times consists of (using mine as an example) the sister in WA, the brother in IL, the aunts and uncles in SC, and the cousins in CA, and so forth. All spread to the four winds. Once a year most of us get together for Thanksgiving to catch up on our lives, but really, there's not a lot of "community" going on within certain parts of my family. However within the Jewish culture it has been much different.

Though they too spread out there still seems to be a sense of "community" and acceptance within their ranks. This is not to say that we don't "love" our family that is far away, however our involvement in their lives is generally at a much different level than the Jewish people. Which boils down to their culture and how they are brought up. This very thing is demonstrated in the book of Ruth:

Quote:
Ruth 3
1 Then Naomi her mother-in-law said to her, "My daughter, shall I not seek security for you, that it may be well with you? 2 Now Boaz, whose young women you were with, is he not our relative? In fact, he is winnowing barley tonight at the threshing floor. 3 Therefore wash yourself and anoint yourself, put on your best garment and go down to the threshing floor; but do not make yourself known to the man until he has finished eating and drinking.


Now, you might say, "Well of course she is going to call her "her daughter". Technically she was through marriage. But it doesn't end there:

Quote:
Ruth 3
8 Now it happened at midnight that the man was startled, and turned himself; and there, a woman was lying at his feet. 9 And he said, "Who are you?" So she answered, "I am Ruth, your maidservant. Take your maidservant under your wing, for you are a close relative." 10 Then he said, "Blessed are you of the LORD, my daughter! For you have shown more kindness at the end than at the beginning, in that you did not go after young men, whether poor or rich. 11 And now, my daughter, do not fear. I will do for you all that you request, for all the people of my town know that you are a virtuous woman.


Now, keep in mind two things here. Her relation to this family is only through her marriage to Naomi's son, who is now dead by the way. So by all mean their "relationship" had been terminated legally speaking at this point. Yet we find Naomi still embracing her as if she were a blood relative and not only that refereing to her (Naomi's family) as "our" family.

The second thing to keep in mind is his response to her. Without hesitation he referred to her as "my daughter" as well. I am pointing this out to show just how loosely these terms were used within their culture. It wasn't a matter of "blood relation" necessarily for one to be considered "family". Even the original hebrew definitions of the words regarding family show this:

Daughter
1323 bath bath from 1129 (as feminine of 1121); a daughter (used in the same wide sense as other terms of relationship, literally and figuratively):--apple (of the eye), branch, company, daughter, X first, X old, + owl, town, village.

Mother
517 'em ame a primitive word; a mother (as the bond of the family); in a wide sense (both literally and figuratively (like 1):--dam, mother, X parting.

Father
1 'ab awb a primitive word; father, in a literal and immediate, or figurative and remote application):--chief, (fore-)father(-less), X patrimony, principal. Compare names in "Abi-".

Sister
269 'achowth aw-khoth' irregular feminine of 251; a sister (used very widely (like 250), literally and figuratively):--(an-)other, sister, together.

Brother
251 'ach awkh a primitive word; a brother (used in the widest sense of literal relationship and metaphorical affinity or resemblance (like 1)):--another, brother(-ly); kindred, like, other. Compare also the proper names beginning with "Ah-" or "Ahi-".

Family
4940 mishpachah mish-paw-khaw' from 8192 (Compare 8198); a family, i.e. circle of relatives; figuratively, a class (of persons), a species (of animals) or sort (of things); by extens. a tribe or people:--family, kind(-red).

So... to sum it all up here I am suggesting that it is quite possible that the references made here in the "contradicting" scriptures are quite possibly refereing to their relationship based on the Jewish cultures ideal of family, which is obviously quite different from ours.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Wed 19 Jul, 2006 10:45 am
It is quite plausible. Also, it could refer to the grandmother.
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Treya
 
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Reply Wed 19 Jul, 2006 11:05 am
That is a very good point intrepid. Smile Especially considering that the term "grandmother" is not generally used in the bible except in one scripture that I have seen... 2 Timothy 1:5 Though as it has been translated more and more I am sure the term has been thrown in there... However, I don't think it is a term the Jews used.

I think, at this point at least, the majority of these contradictions seem to be coming from the translation of this rather than the actual written text. Though as I continue on with this little project of mine we will find out for sure. Take my name for example:

Hephzibah:
2657 Chephtsiy bahh khef-tsee'baw from 2656 with suffixes; my delight (is) in her; Cheptsi-bah, a fanciful name for Palestine:--Hephzi-bah.

Being from a background of being taught english as my primary language I would never look at that word and think, "Oh... Gee... That means my delight in her". LOL But because their language is so different and translates so different I think sometimes things can get quite confused. I guess we'll find out though...
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Treya
 
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Reply Mon 24 Jul, 2006 01:12 pm
Next Question:

How long was the ark of the covenant at Abinadab's house?

Twenty years.
Quote:
1 Samuel 7:1-2
And the men of Kirjathjearim came, and fetched up the ark of the LORD, and brought it into the house of Abinadab in the hill, and sanctified Eleazar his son to keep the ark of the LORD. And it came to pass, while the ark abode in Kirjathjearim, that the time was long; for it was twenty years: and all the house of Israel lamented after the LORD.


Quote:
1 Samuel 10:24
And Samuel said to all the people, See ye him [Saul] whom the LORD hath chosen, that there is none like him among all the people? And all the people shouted, and said, God save the king.


1 Samuel 7
1And the men of Kirjathjearim came, and fetched up the ark of the LORD, and brought it into the house of Abinadab in the hill, and sanctified Eleazar his son to keep the ark of the LORD. 2And it came to pass, while the ark abode in Kirjathjearim, that the time was long; for it was twenty years: and all the house of Israel lamented after the LORD.

More than forty years.
Quote:
2 Samuel 6:2-3
And David arose ... to bring up from thence the ark of God.... And they set the ark of God upon a new cart, and brought it out of the house of Abinadab that was in Gibeah....


Quote:
Acts.13:21
And afterward they desired a king: and God gave unto them Saul the son of Cis, a man of the tribe of Benjamin, by the space of forty years.


2 Samuel 6
2And David arose, and went with all the people that were with him from Baale of Judah, to bring up from thence the ark of God, whose name is called by the name of the LORD of hosts that dwelleth between the cherubims. 3And they set the ark of God upon a new cart, and brought it out of the house of Abinadab that was in Gibeah: and Uzzah and Ahio, the sons of Abinadab, drave the new cart. 4And they brought it out of the house of Abinadab which was at Gibeah, accompanying the ark of God: and Ahio went before the ark.

The first thing to make note of here is the wording in all of these scriptures. First in 1 Samuel 7 it says: "while the ark abode in Kirjathjearim" implying a time frame here, which it tells... 20 years. Then in 2 Samuel 6 it talks about David retrieving the ark, still from "the house of Abinadab", yet it specifies: "the house of Abinadab that was in Gibeah" and "the house of Abinadab which was at Gibeah". Which seems to have been left out in the scriptures they posted as being a contradiction.

However, I wanted to make sure there was no funny stuff here like two different names for the same city. Which actually there is... Kirjathjearim is also known as Baale Judah, and Gibeah is also known as Tel el-Fûl. In my reading about this I found an article about Gibeah which talked about the location of the city:

Only about 2 miles north of Jerusalem, Tel el-Fûl, the site of ancient Gibeah lies just east of the main road that leads from Jerusalem to Shechem. Saul, the first king of Israel, established his capital here. Gibeah is the Hebrew word for "hill".

So I decided to look at a map and see what city was what here:

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e179/princesshephzibah/a_palestine_map_jesus_time.gif

As you can see from this map Kirjathjearim is approximately 10 miles northwest of Jerusalem, where Gibeah is a mere two miles north. So what I propose is that the ark remained in the household of Abinadab under the care of his son Eleazar for 20 years, however Abinadab must have moved to Gibeah and taken the ark with him which is where David retrieved the ark from. I'm sure we all know or know of people who own more than one house in more than one city, so I don't think that's too far fetched of an idea that someone back then could do the same.
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neologist
 
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Reply Mon 24 Jul, 2006 01:24 pm
hephzibah wrote:
Next question:

Who was Abijam's mother?

Quote:
1 Kings 15:1-2
Now in the eighteenth year of king Jeroboam the son of Nebat reigned Abijam over Judah. Three years reigned he in Jerusalem. And his mother's name was Maachah, the daughter of Abishalom.


Quote:
2 Chronicles 13:1-2
Now in the eighteenth year of king Jeroboam began Abijah to reign over Judah. Three years reigned he in Jerusalem. His mother's name also was Michaiah the daughter of Uriel.


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Ok... I'm still working on this one. May need some time... all I've got to say right now is...

Holy guacamole batman... I think they got me!

LOL

So.... moving on...
Maachah, or Michaiah, was the granddaughter of Abishalom
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Treya
 
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Reply Mon 24 Jul, 2006 09:38 pm
Hey neo. Smile Did you get a chance to read the rest of the posts? If so, does my explanation make any sort of sense?
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