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Thoughts on gun control

 
 
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 24 Jul, 2006 12:27 pm
Intrepid wrote:
You are probably thinking of Calamity Jane rather than Annie Oakley.


No, he was right about Annie Oakley - born 1860 - died 1926. At age 62, she hit 100 straight clay targets at the 16-yd range. And she was in the Buffalo Bill Wild West Show too, but with (Buffalo) Bill Cody, (1846-1917) who was running the show at the time, and not with Bill Hickok.

Calamity Jane was eight years older than Annie and good friends with Bill Hickok--there are still rumors circulating that he fathered her child. She was for awhile, but I'm not sure Hickok was ever in the Buffalo Bill Wild West show. It's possible though.

I'm pretty sure none of these people would have been in favor of any kind of gun control. Smile
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 24 Jul, 2006 02:59 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
You are probably thinking of Calamity Jane rather than Annie Oakley.


No, he was right about Annie Oakley - born 1860 - died 1926. At age 62, she hit 100 straight clay targets at the 16-yd range. And she was in the Buffalo Bill Wild West Show too, but with (Buffalo) Bill Cody, (1846-1917) who was running the show at the time, and not with Bill Hickok.

Both Wild Bill Hickok and Annie Oakley
worked in Buffalo Bill Cody 's show.
I had been under the impression that thay met there;
however, because of their ages, it appears unlikely that thay met there
.


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Calamity Jane was eight years older than Annie and good friends with Bill Hickok--there are still rumors circulating that he fathered her child. She was for awhile, but I'm not sure Hickok was ever in the Buffalo Bill Wild West show. It's possible though.

That 's a known fact,
but the meeting is in doubt.



Quote:

I'm pretty sure none of these people would have been in favor of any kind of gun control. Smile

Thay were pure American freedom lovers !
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 24 Jul, 2006 03:02 pm
Intrepid wrote:
You are probably thinking of Calamity Jane rather than Annie Oakley.

Yes; there is even a question
of whether he actually married her.

I believe that she alleged that he did.
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parados
 
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Reply Mon 24 Jul, 2006 09:02 pm
Ole Wild Bill must have killed them in the Wild West show since Hickock died in 1876 and the Wild West show didn't come into existance until 1883.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Mon 24 Jul, 2006 09:07 pm
Buffalo made his first appearances in 1872. It is reported that he was an aquaintance of Wild Bill. but he couldn't have been in the Wild West Show.
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parados
 
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Reply Mon 24 Jul, 2006 09:17 pm
Buffalo Bill, Wild Bill, and Calamity Jane toured with "Scouts of the Plains". It had nothing to do with the "Wild West Show"
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Mon 24 Jul, 2006 09:21 pm
Sorry, I just realized you were referring to Foxfyre's claim that they were all in the Wild West Show. You are absolutely correct, Parados.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jul, 2006 11:19 am
From Wikipedia that I do NOT consider to be the last word on anything, and may in fact have this wrong:

Buffalo Bill's Wild West

It was the age of great showmen and traveling entertainers, like Barnum & Bailey's Circus and the Vaudeville circuits. Cody took the lead from fellow showman 'Pawnee Bill' and put together his own traveling show. In 1883 in Omaha, Nebraska Cody founded "Buffalo Bill's Wild West," (despite popular misconception the word "show" was not a part of the title) a circus-like attraction that toured annually. In 1887 he performed in London in celebration of the Jubilee year of Queen Victoria, and toured Europe in 1889. He set up an exhibition near the Chicago World's Fair of 1893 (properly the World's Columbian Exposition), which greatly contributed to his popularity.

As the Wild West toured North America over the next twenty years it became a moving extravaganza, including as many as 1200 performers. The show began with a parade on horseback, with participants from horse-culture groups that included US and other military, American Indians, and performers from all over the world in their best attire. There were Turks, Gauchos, Arabs, Mongols and Cossacks, among others, each showing their own distinctive horses and colorful costumes. Visitors to this spectacle could see main events, feats of skill, staged races, and sideshows. Many authentic western personalities were part of the show.

Bill used real working cowboys and real Indians. His best performers were well known in their own right. People like Annie Oakley and Frank Butler put on shooting exhibitions. Sitting Bull and a band of twenty braves appeared in the show at one time. Other well-known contemporaries such as 'Calamity Jane' (Martha Jane Cannary-Burke) and James Butler 'Wild Bill' Hickock toured at one time or another. Buffalo Bill and his performers would re-enact the riding of the Pony Express, Indian attacks on wagon trains, and stagecoach robberies. Cody's performance typically ended with a melodramatic re-enactment of Custer's Last Stand in which Cody himself portrayed General Custer. Many historians claim that, at the turn of the 19th century, Buffalo Bill Cody was the most recognizable celebrity on earth.
SOURCE

Also found THIS

And THIS
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jul, 2006 11:22 am
James Butler Hickok was born in Troy Grove, Illinois, on May 27, 1837, and was shot dead in a saloon in Deadwood, Dakota Territory, on August 2, 1876

You do the math based on the dates above.
Smile
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jul, 2006 12:20 pm
Intrepid wrote:
James Butler Hickok was born in Troy Grove, Illinois, on May 27, 1837, and was shot dead in a saloon in Deadwood, Dakota Territory, on August 2, 1876

You do the math based on the dates above.
Smile


Oh I know. That's why in my original post on this I was not at all sure Bill Hickok ever was in the Wild West thing, but legends die hard. I do think Calamity Jane probably did make an appearance or two with Bill Cody. But who the heck knows after all this time and the myriad rewrites of history that usually happen with legends.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jul, 2006 12:26 pm
14 year old boy killed with Pennsylvania lawmaker's gun

RAW STORY
Published: Tuesday July 25, 2006

A gun owned by Pennsylvania State Senator Bob Regola (R-39th) has been used to kill a fourteen year old boy, the Associated Press has reported today.

RAW STORY has since found that Regola, a first term Republican, is a member of the National Rifle Association as well as the Police Rod and Gun Club, and received the endorsement of Firearms Owners Against Crime.

According to the AP, the dead boy was taking care of the pets at Sen. Regola's home while the Senator was In Harrisburg, the state's capital, to receive an award. Harrisburg is located approximately 170 miles from Westmoreland County, location of Regola's residence.

It is unclear whether the teen's death was a homicide or suicide.

Pennsylvania law does not require handguns to be kept in a locked location. Police have said Regola will not face any charges in the incident.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jul, 2006 12:37 pm
Maybe it was an accident?

That's a horrible story but so is the reporting.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jul, 2006 12:48 pm
cjhsa wrote:
Maybe it was an accident?

That's a horrible story but so is the reporting.


Yep. I think the reporter is mostly on the 'ban handguns, etc." side of the debate. This group generally embraces some of the fuzziest logic in the whole issue of handguns; i.e.:

1) If firearms were not accessible to children, children wouldn't be killed by handguns. But there is no acknowledgement that firearms were not a problem to children of my generation though most of us owned them or had easy access to them, so maybe there is more at issue here than the presence of handguns.

2) The problem is the manufacturer, seller, the apparatus itself, rather than the decision of the one using a weapon.

3) There would be far less handgun crime if firearms were banned to all but law enforcement personnel which may or may not be true, but it ignores all the crime that is deterred by the presence of firearms too.

I wish the debate would return to education, personal responsibility, individual accountability, good parenting, and common sense when it comes to Second Amendment Rights and gun control.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 31 Jul, 2006 09:21 pm
blueflame1 wrote:
14 year old boy killed with Pennsylvania lawmaker's gun

RAW STORY
Published: Tuesday July 25, 2006

A gun owned by Pennsylvania State Senator Bob Regola (R-39th) has been used to kill a fourteen year old boy, the Associated Press has reported today.

RAW STORY has since found that Regola, a first term Republican, is a member of the National Rifle Association as well as the Police Rod and Gun Club, and received the endorsement of Firearms Owners Against Crime.

According to the AP, the dead boy was taking care of the pets at Sen. Regola's home while the Senator was In Harrisburg, the state's capital, to receive an award. Harrisburg is located approximately 170 miles from Westmoreland County, location of Regola's residence.

It is unclear whether the teen's death was a homicide or suicide.

Pennsylvania law does not require handguns to be kept in a locked location. Police have said Regola will not face any charges in the incident.

Wud it have been significantly different
if he had used a knife, or jumped out the window ?
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 31 Jul, 2006 09:25 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
cjhsa wrote:
Maybe it was an accident?

That's a horrible story but so is the reporting.


Yep. I think the reporter is mostly on the 'ban handguns, etc." side of the debate. This group generally embraces some of the fuzziest logic in the whole issue of handguns; i.e.:

1) If firearms were not accessible to children, children wouldn't be killed by handguns. But there is no acknowledgement that firearms were not a problem to children of my generation though most of us owned them or had easy access to them, so maybe there is more at issue here than the presence of handguns.

2) The problem is the manufacturer, seller, the apparatus itself, rather than the decision of the one using a weapon.

3) There would be far less handgun crime if firearms were banned to all but law enforcement personnel which may or may not be true, but it ignores all the crime that is deterred by the presence of firearms too.

I wish the debate would return to education, personal responsibility, individual accountability, good parenting, and common sense when it comes to Second Amendment Rights and gun control.

Umbrellas are to blame
for rain n flooding.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 1 Aug, 2006 02:38 am
I see Barrett is offering a semi-auto rifle chambered in 25MM.

http://www.barrettrifles.com/military/images/109b.jpg

Might be good for home defense.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 1 Aug, 2006 01:19 pm
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
cjhsa wrote:
Maybe it was an accident?

That's a horrible story but so is the reporting.


Yep. I think the reporter is mostly on the 'ban handguns, etc." side of the debate. This group generally embraces some of the fuzziest logic in the whole issue of handguns; i.e.:

1) If firearms were not accessible to children, children wouldn't be killed by handguns. But there is no acknowledgement that firearms were not a problem to children of my generation though most of us owned them or had easy access to them, so maybe there is more at issue here than the presence of handguns.

2) The problem is the manufacturer, seller, the apparatus itself, rather than the decision of the one using a weapon.

3) There would be far less handgun crime if firearms were banned to all but law enforcement personnel which may or may not be true, but it ignores all the crime that is deterred by the presence of firearms too.

I wish the debate would return to education, personal responsibility, individual accountability, good parenting, and common sense when it comes to Second Amendment Rights and gun control.

Umbrellas are to blame
for rain n flooding.


Right. And cars are to blame for deaths, not that people drive drunk or too fast or too stupid. And Big Macs are to blame for obesity and not that people choose to eat them five times a week. Some people would blame the bungee cord if somebody used one to jump off a bridge that wasn't high enough.

I wonder if you can find 'personal responsiblity and/or accountablity" written into the anti-gun lobby creed anywhere?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 1 Aug, 2006 01:32 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
Right. And cars are to blame for deaths, not that people drive drunk or too fast or too stupid. And Big Macs are to blame for obesity and not that people choose to eat them five times a week. Some people would blame the bungee cord if somebody used one to jump off a bridge that wasn't high enough.

I wonder if you can find 'personal responsiblity and/or accountablity" written into the anti-gun lobby creed anywhere?



IAt least, Foxfyre, you didn't blame drugs/alcohol. I agree that the use or mis-use of such should be in everybodies responsibilty as well as gambling, porn, prostitution etc.
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CerealKiller
 
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Reply Tue 1 Aug, 2006 01:32 pm
I think guns are a necessary evil and citizens should have the right to bear them. With that comes the responsibilty of using them responsibly. They may be the only thing that saves your life if you are attacked.

I'm of the old adage: Guns don't kill people...People kill people.

If guns kill people...than spoons made Rosie O'Donnell fat.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 1 Aug, 2006 04:47 pm
CerealKiller wrote:
I think guns are a necessary evil and citizens should have the right to bear them. With that comes the responsibilty of using them responsibly. They may be the only thing that saves your life if you are attacked.

I'm of the old adage: Guns don't kill people...People kill people.

If guns kill people...than spoons made Rosie O'Donnell fat.

Agreed,
except that MY guns r not evil;
I LIKE my guns.
David




P.S.:
Cereal Killer,
r u really Tony the Tiger, in disguise ?
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