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What has this woman made of herself?

 
 
Reply Tue 27 Jun, 2006 10:54 am
In the May-June edition of HArvard Magazine, the alumni organ for Harvard University, is a letter to the editor from a woman in the Midwest.

She decried the March-April edition of the magazine because its cover degraded women. She said the magazine is too liberal for her, a conservative and that she threw the edition in the garbage and has asked that no further copies be sent to her.

I just happened to still have the March-April edition in my house. The cover illustrates the lead story, called "Resisting Temptation: Economic Discovers the Irrational," which deals with why people gratify their immediate needs, ignoring long range planning and often due what is destructive to themselves and the planet, as well as to their children, present and future.

The cover art work that this woman finds so objectionable is actually a lovely painting, whose style makes it apparent that it is from the Mauve Decade. It is a decidedly romantic and lush representation of the attempts of the Sirens to seduce Ulysses and his men. Painted by Herbert James Draper in 1909, the painting is called, aptly, "Ulysses and the Sirens," and features the hero bound to his mast while his stern faced men row and the sirens, admittedly lovely in a child-like way, and nude, attempt to clambor on board.

This is pornagraphy? That is what the writer claims! This degrades women?

I have trouble dealing with conservatives who call themselves feminists.

This woman, however, obviously knows nothing about art history or about Greek myths. Harvard should revoke her diploma.

Oh! Perhaps, she is just some bimbo some not too attractive Harvard grad married.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Tue 27 Jun, 2006 11:01 am
This woman's intellectual level is, in my opinion, typical of most conservatives.

What was her motive? To expose herself to ridicule?
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Tue 27 Jun, 2006 11:08 pm
Perhaps she just didn't like the painting? :wink: I mean, who cares? Why get upset just because someone doesn't like something? If she thinks it's degrading to women, well, then SHE thinks it's degrading to women.

And if you think she's stupid for getting upset and doing what she did, well, then that's what you think.

Her motive probably was just to express her opinion and make sure she was heard and to make sure her subscription was cancelled. I guess I just don't see the big deal about you making a big deal over something that was obviously a big deal to her...whew! Try saying that a few times fast!!!

So what? Laughing
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dlowan
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jun, 2006 01:31 am
I get two paintings when I look for that title:


http://www.jwwaterhouse.com/paintings/images/waterhouse_ulysses_and_the_sirens.jpg

and


http://www.paleothea.com/Pictures/OdysseusSirens.jpg


Which one are you referring to?




I think the woman you refer to, and you yourself, both need to take a cold shower and a brisk walk.


You are both overreacting.

I see no need for you to heap such scorn upon someone who simply gets her knickers in a twist from different triggers than you do POM.

Blimey.....
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jun, 2006 05:12 pm
dlowan -- The second one. Knickers in a twist? I just hate folks who make their conservatism some sort of standard by which to measure everyone else. What really gets me is that she found a century old painting offensive.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jun, 2006 05:15 pm
If you are gonna find stuff offensive, why should age make it less so?


Is slavery less wrong because it mostly happened a while back?
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jun, 2006 05:28 pm
Huh? There isn't anything degrading to women in the painting, as the writer claimed. As for it being around 100 years, well, you would think in all that time, that someone would care. Or, more to the point, the writer obviously doesn't get the context and hasn't noticed that there is a lot of stuff more degrading to women since.
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Chai
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jun, 2006 06:07 pm
plainoldme wrote:
dlowan -- The second one. Knickers in a twist? I just hate folks who make their conservatism some sort of standard by which to measure everyone else. What really gets me is that she found a century old painting offensive.



wow, you get angry at a lot of things, don't you?

Aren't you making your standards something to measure everyone else by?

I've never seen your posts before the last day or two, but it seems you're always upset by what someone else thinks, because you don't think they should think/be that way.

Why is someone expressing their opinion so disturbing to you? Can't someone else just have their own opinion and you have yours?

Then again, that's just my opinion.

I like the picture myself, but then again, I'm partial to mythological themes.

I don't think that first picture is accurate dlowan. The Sirens weren't Harpies, they lived on the rocks around that narrow opening, whatever it was. Harpies suck, they're mean. I see the Sirens more as bubble heads.

Did you know......That Ceres was punishing the Sirens by giving them the job of luring men onto the rocks? Seems they were the friends of her daughter Persephone. You know, the one captured by the god of the underworld?

Seems Persephone and her girlfriends were all tra-la-la-ing out in a field somewhere when she was taken off to Hades....None of them tried to help, so Mother Nature got pissed off at them.

I wonder if they ever got together for lunch or something when Presephone came up to visit her mom?
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dlowan
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jun, 2006 06:26 pm
You're right...those ARE harpies.

I also thought the sirens stayed on their rocks, and didn't clamber aboard the boats?


Perhaps the bodies are an evocation of their song?


Boy...mins be scared of female sexuality from the look of those things....always something scary to them going on below the neck!
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djjd62
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jun, 2006 06:47 pm
dlowan wrote:
Boy...mins be scared of female sexuality from the look of those things....always something scary to them going on below the neck!


i like a good scare now and then
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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jun, 2006 06:57 pm
Well I happen to agree with PlainOldMe. Someone raging against that painting as "pornography" is a pretty sad testament to something, even if the something isn't anything new. For an art lover - or anyone half-way enlightened, for that matter - to be alarmed at such reactions seems perfectly natural to me.
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Chai
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jun, 2006 07:03 pm
So, are you saying it's over between the two of us Nimh?
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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jun, 2006 07:19 pm
Chai Tea wrote:
So, are you saying it's over between the two of us Nimh?

Naw, you wouldnt let a few mermaids come between us now, would you?

On either side of us, perhaps...
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Gala
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jun, 2006 07:53 pm
The mermaids appear to be in full lust-mode as the men folk have this "Yeah, I'd like to bang you but I have to keep rowing" look. Is this a post-Victorian painting er what? Seems like this guy painted it in reaction to those who would condemn him to the quarries of indecency-- and then he simply laughed in their faces.

My beef with the graphic is it's high drama, which reduces the lead article's title to something more comical.
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Eva
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jun, 2006 08:30 pm
I am entirely too familiar with conservatives like that lady. Believe me, the title, the mythological subject, and the quality of the art were completely beyond her. All she saw was the female nudity.

To these people, nudity in art is wrong. Period.

(I'd like to slap the whole bunch of them silly.)
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dlowan
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jun, 2006 09:13 pm
Lol!

Well, I don't find them a worry, either...but I DO find the over the top reaction to the over the top initial reaction over the top, and illogical.
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Green Witch
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jun, 2006 09:21 pm
It's the same mentality that lead to the penis on Michaelangelo's David being covered with a plaster fig leaf for a number of years.

The painting actually was meant to be sneaky porn, typical of the period.

Personally, I think Sirens are the ultimate uber-feminists. First they seduce the guys and then they drown them.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jun, 2006 09:37 pm
Laughing I have not one, but two, decent copies of Picasso's work hanging in my dining room. Both could be described as more offensive than the two posted above. I've had some negative reactions but most people seem to recognize art as art.

Got to go with Deb on this one. I TOO find the over the top reaction to the over the top initial reaction over the top, and illogical.

http://homepage.mac.com/dmhart/WarArt/Picasso/Guernica/Sketches/WeepingWoman1937.JPG
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dlowan
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jun, 2006 10:14 pm
Green Witch wrote:
It's the same mentality that lead to the penis on Michaelangelo's David being covered with a plaster fig leaf for a number of years.

The painting actually was meant to be sneaky porn, typical of the period.

Personally, I think Sirens are the ultimate uber-feminists. First they seduce the guys and then they drown them.


Yes...all those "classical" nudes....I think the sneakiness puts me off the whole ouvre a bit....gimme a straight nude...but hey ho.


Nah...the ultimate is turning them into a pizza.



:wink:
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jun, 2006 10:28 pm
Picasso gives me nightmares! Shocked I actually don't see how his work can be called art, but, that's me. So what? Laughing

That's the whole thing about art, it's not the particular object d'art, it's the reaction it causes in others that determines for THEM whether it is art or not.

Remember the artist who was using feces as a medium? I don't care what his artwork looked like! The reaction it caused in me was well, I'm sure you can imagine. :wink: To me, that's not art and is offensive but I didn't throw a fit about it, nor did I throw a fit about the ones that did throw a fit.....etc.

I think there are plenty of other things in this world much more important to worry about. As a matter of fact, I've already spent too much time on this one. Laughing
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