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What's happening with those poor devils at Camp Xray ???

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 10 Oct, 2003 01:53 pm
Some more news today:

US defends Guantanamo policy
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Fri 10 Oct, 2003 02:12 pm
That this situation hasn't raised more outcry shows how far from being the "Champions of freedom" we Americans have fallen. Sad
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 10 Oct, 2003 02:22 pm
Well, some are at least asking questions - although not about the 'detainees':

Why all the secrecy? - Guantanamo case highlights new loss of trust between military, press
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 10 Oct, 2003 03:24 pm
hobitbob wrote:
That this situation hasn't raised more outcry shows how far from being the "Champions of freedom" we Americans have fallen. Sad


Vice President Cheney today:
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As in the years of the Cold War, much is asked of us and much rides on our actions. A watching world is depending on the United States of America. Only America has the might and the will to lead the world through a time of peril, toward greater security and peace. And as we've done before, we accept the great mission that history has given us."
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Fri 10 Oct, 2003 03:32 pm
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As in the years of the Cold War, much is asked of us and much rides on our actions.

Translation: we are better than anyone else, and intend to bully the rest of the world with the threat of nuclear destruction.
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A watching world is depending on the United States of America.

Do what we tell you, or you will die.
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Only America has the might and the will to lead the world through a time of peril, toward greater security and peace.

As long as it is on our terms.
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And as we've done before, we accept the great mission that history has given us."

And we will, therefore, continue to stick our noses into other's business and muck things up, all the while blaming others and claiming righteousness.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 10 Oct, 2003 03:35 pm
Hmmh, could well agree.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Fri 10 Oct, 2003 03:43 pm
Ahh, but Walter, you know you Germans and the other denizens of "old Europe" merely have to display your bellies and wag your tails and the Bushies will love you again. After all, everyone knows the French are a bunch'o'lecherous cowards and the Germans are cold efficient people who say "Ve haff vays off makink you talk!" At least, in Bush's mental world. Wink
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 10 Oct, 2003 06:22 pm
Oh yeah, I'd wanted to copy the "US/UN/Iraq" post below into this thread still, I forgot - It was Sep 23.

nimh wrote:
"[P]rospects for trials receded still further this month when Donald Rumsfeld, the Defence Secretary, said that the United States was not interested in trying the men and letting them out. It was interested only, he said, in "keeping them off the streets" as long as the War on Terror continued. Critics say that the "war" could last for decades."

Thats from Monday's The Times (emphasis mine).
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 10 Oct, 2003 06:29 pm
It seems "democracy" is a fragile thing when it involves other (non-American) humans on this planet.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 10 Oct, 2003 06:30 pm
What I don't understand is why we're trying so hard to bring democracy to Iraq, when we can't provide democracy at home.
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 10 Oct, 2003 06:31 pm
Walter, your avatar always makes me smile, I keep forgetting to say that, too ... the old "rose-in-the-fist", I hadnt seen it for a lo-ong time!

Thats childhood memories for me, from when my parents were very active in the Dutch Labour party, which back then had that exact symbol.

In the late 80s, early 90s they changed it into something less "strident" ... its pretty, but not the same thing <sighs>:

http://pvda.nl/libDownload.do/rr_pvda.gif

But, ah, the good old days ...

http://red.pvda.nl/partij/jongeren/fotoos/joopdenuyl.jpg

(sorry for the digression Wink
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 10 Oct, 2003 06:41 pm
Can read the acronym as "Pravda." Wink
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 10 Oct, 2003 06:51 pm
LOL!

Havent heard that one ever .. thats a good one. Dont let the Fortuynists pick up on it, they'll have a field day.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 10 Oct, 2003 11:19 pm
nimh


Yes, I know "Zonder mijn en dijn zou de wereld een hemel zijn." Laughing
(Meaning something like: >Without mine and theirs, the world would be like heaven.<)

The SPD changed the rose here too: http://images.google.de/images?q=tbn:MbOLRp_pb8QC:www.spd-saar.de/ag/asj/spd-rose.gif

(Btw, c.i.: that's not Pravda but "Partij van de Arbeid" [Labour Party, Social Democrats]
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wolf
 
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Reply Sat 11 Oct, 2003 10:15 am
Everything bares to think Camp Xray is a training camp for suicide bombers. The military's reasoning being: they wanted to blow themselves up, now we're gonna do it for them. Drug them, mind control them, put them on a bus in Baghdad or another city... and boom. Another evil suicide bomber.

Yes, they would do that.
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wolf
 
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Reply Sat 18 Oct, 2003 07:04 am
Fight for justice BBC interview
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wolf
 
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Reply Thu 23 Oct, 2003 06:26 am
wolf wrote:
Everything bares to think Camp Xray is a training camp for suicide bombers. The military's reasoning being: they wanted to blow themselves up, now we're gonna do it for them. Drug them, mind control them, put them on a bus in Baghdad or another city... and boom. Another evil suicide bomber.

Yes, they would do that.




Everything indicates the above suspicion.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 23 Oct, 2003 06:47 am
wolf wrote:
wolf wrote:
Everything bares to think Camp Xray is a training camp for suicide bombers. The military's reasoning being: they wanted to blow themselves up, now we're gonna do it for them. Drug them, mind control them, put them on a bus in Baghdad or another city... and boom. Another evil suicide bomber.

Yes, they would do that.




Everything indicates the above suspicion.


How in the hell does that article substantiate ANY of the far-fetched fevered imagings that you have made? I'll you one thing for sure, I am glad I don't live in your world.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Thu 23 Oct, 2003 07:04 am
...The Guantánamo detainees are also being held indefinitely and in secret, with no access to lawyers, under circumstances that would be intolerable even if they were convicted criminals. But they have not been charged with crimes or given the benefit of legal advice or process. If the detainees are prisoners of war, they must be treated as such. If they are suspected criminals, they must be treated as such. The government must choose, once again, not because it is required to do so by treaties but because its failure to do so treats the lives of the detainees with impermissible contempt.

Rights would be worthless?-and the idea of a right incomprehensible?-unless respecting rights meant taking some risk. We can and must try to limit those risks, but some risk will remain. It may be that we would be marginally more secure if we decided to care nothing for the human rights of anyone else. That is true in domestic policy as well. We run a marginally increased risk of violent death at the hands of murderers every day by insisting on rights for accused criminals in order to keep faith with our own humanity. For the same reason we must run a marginally increased risk of terrorism as well. Of course we must sharpen our vigilance, but we must also discipline our fear. The government says that only our own safety matters. That is a counsel of shame: we are braver than that, and have more self-respect.

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/16738
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wolf
 
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Reply Thu 23 Oct, 2003 08:12 am
Certain gullible individuals must think the detainees are being interrogated in order to advance the war on terror.
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