snood
 
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Reply Tue 27 Jun, 2006 07:34 am
Lash wrote:
That's sort of crazy, snood. I just disagree with most everything you say, and I respond to your questions and challenges. If it helps, I used to feel the same way you do, and I said some of the same things you're saying, and I really thought there were a few people who were purposefully disagreeing with me for the sake of disagreeing with me. Truth is--they just disagreed with me, and had a right to say so.

If you don't want the answers, don't ask the questions.

Nobody's out to get you.


You're overstating what I said, typically. I don't think anyone's "out to get" me. I think you hold a grudge, and it shows. It's "sort of crazy" that you can't post to a thread I make without directing it toward me, and not the subject matter.

As I said, prove me wrong by addressing the subject.
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Tue 27 Jun, 2006 11:43 am
I don't understand this problem with Snood. As far as I can see, he's been consistently reasonable and civil. I do find room for improvement in his phrase--"All I said to JL was that he was making his opinion sound like universally accepted truth."
The only time we state UNIVERSALLY accepted truths is when we utter truisms. That makes for dull conversation and in no way guarantees truth. Consensual agreement is what we generally think of as "truths," as in our naive realistic view of reality. But we must always keep in mind that (virtually) everyone believed at one point in our history that the world is flat.
I would be very surprised if Snood disagreed with this obvious "improvement."
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Tue 27 Jun, 2006 11:43 am
I don't understand this problem with Snood. As far as I can see, he's been consistently reasonable and civil. I do find room for improvement in his phrase--"All I said to JL was that he was making his opinion sound like universally accepted truth."
The only time we state UNIVERSALLY accepted truths is when we utter truisms. That makes for dull conversation and in no way guarantees truth. Consensual agreement is what we generally think of as "truths," as in our naive realistic view of reality. But we must always keep in mind that (virtually) everyone believed at one point in our history that the world is flat.
I would be very surprised if Snood disagreed with this obvious "improvement."
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Lash
 
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Reply Tue 27 Jun, 2006 02:22 pm
If this post was "addressing the subject,"

snood wrote:
show me where I sneered on this thread, Setanta.

then mine was, too.

I think you want to exert unreasonable control on what everyone else says on the thread, but you want to be able to say whatever you please.

snood wrote:
I think you hold a grudge, and it shows.

This is a cop-out for one who doesn't take responsibility for his own statements. There is no grudge. I am responding to what you, or others, say.

You are obviously unhappy about the fact that you asked someone to provide evidence of you sneering on the thread, and they did That doesn't require a grudge. It required a sneer, which you had provided.

If you want the thread to move on---move on.

If you don't like people to provide proof that you sneer--don't sneer. Or at least, don't challenge them to find it.

If you don't want me to disagree with you, don't say anything. Very Happy

Otherwise, refamiliarize yourself with the idea of a message board.
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Tue 27 Jun, 2006 03:28 pm
I guess one of the--perhaps legitimate--functions of A2K is to provide people with the opportunity to vent their frustrations and aggressions. I've done it too. But, please, let's be aware of what we are doing!
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 27 Jun, 2006 03:47 pm
JLNobody wrote:
But, please, let's be aware of what we are doing!

Because why? There would be no a2k forum if that were to occur and, JLN you would have never had the opportunity to meet me in real life. Sad to think really.
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Tue 27 Jun, 2006 03:55 pm
O.K., Dys. I bow to your META-perspective. Such wisdom; it makes my life SO difficult.
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Tue 27 Jun, 2006 03:55 pm
O.K., Dys. I bow to your META-perspective. Such wisdom; it makes my life SO difficult.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 27 Jun, 2006 04:07 pm
Whew, I thought I might be doomed there for a moment.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 27 Jun, 2006 04:20 pm
dyslexia wrote:
Whew, I thought I might be doomed there for a moment.




Hate to break the news to ya...but you are!
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snood
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jun, 2006 09:30 pm
Lash wrote:
If this post was "addressing the subject,"

snood wrote:
show me where I sneered on this thread, Setanta.

then mine was, too.

I think you want to exert unreasonable control on what everyone else says on the thread, but you want to be able to say whatever you please.

snood wrote:
I think you hold a grudge, and it shows.

This is a cop-out for one who doesn't take responsibility for his own statements. There is no grudge. I am responding to what you, or others, say.

You are obviously unhappy about the fact that you asked someone to provide evidence of you sneering on the thread, and they did That doesn't require a grudge. It required a sneer, which you had provided.

If you want the thread to move on---move on.

If you don't like people to provide proof that you sneer--don't sneer. Or at least, don't challenge them to find it.

If you don't want me to disagree with you, don't say anything. Very Happy

Otherwise, refamiliarize yourself with the idea of a message board.

I don't need no steenking refamiliarization.

JLNobdy - whom you seem to be contending that I "sneered" against, doesn't share your opinion. He took no offense, and you tried to use our exchange as an evidence of something that seems to exist only in the heads of you and Setanta.

Setanta directly referred to me - I answered. The only way you got involved was the way you've gotten involved in several threads I'm in - you nose in, solely to voice your (usually wrong) idea about something I'm doing or saying.

Now to equate what I did - start this thread, try to address the topic, and answer posts directly referring to me; with what you keep doing -
jumping into and stirring conflicts in which you have no apparent interest except to antagonize me -

makes you look like - well, like a person with a grudge.

Or I could be totally wrong - you could be this big-spirited person who can drop this stupid, pain in the ass line of discussion at any time with nary another thought, and even offer some constructive, substantive thoughts about lives lived without spirituality. Hint: not holding my breath.
___________________________________________________________
Here's something for those of you still interested in addressing the topic:
In a class I'm taking, the professor was talking about the "locus of ownership" in a person's life.

After explanation, I understood him to mean what it is - either external or internal - that a person counts on to help him through life. We took a survey which asked questions like "Do you think heredity dictates the majority of your personality", and "True or false - A person can change their destiny". All of the questions were aimed at determining whether the responder is someone who believes the control of their life is external or internal.

This launched us into a discussion about prayer and spirituality. My position was that a person can work to actualize their personal potential, but still believe their is a higher purpose and plan than their own. some classmates were clearly torn.

There seemed to be a conflict about whether it's possible to both believe in an organizing benevolent spiritual force, and still believe in the power of self.

Is a conflict between those two concepts inevitable to you?
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jun, 2006 07:10 am
snood wrote:
There seemed to be a conflict about whether it's possible to both believe in an organizing benevolent spiritual force, and still believe in the power of self.

Is a conflict between those two concepts inevitable to you?


No. Although it would depend to a matter of degree how you define each one.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jun, 2006 07:48 am
rosborne979 wrote:
snood wrote:
There seemed to be a conflict about whether it's possible to both believe in an organizing benevolent spiritual force, and still believe in the power of self.

Is a conflict between those two concepts inevitable to you?


No. Although it would depend to a matter of degree how you define each one.


I cannot see how there can be a conflict in any case!
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snood
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jun, 2006 01:50 pm
Frank Apisa wrote:
rosborne979 wrote:
snood wrote:
There seemed to be a conflict about whether it's possible to both believe in an organizing benevolent spiritual force, and still believe in the power of self.

Is a conflict between those two concepts inevitable to you?


No. Although it would depend to a matter of degree how you define each one.


I cannot see how there can be a conflict in any case!


In my opinion, there needn't be any conflict there. That's not to say that there isn't, anyway. I think it arises when people who pride themselves on being "master of their own destiny" and so forth see a lot of weakness or illadvisedness in those who believe strongly in the influence of a higher power.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jun, 2006 03:17 pm
Frank Apisa wrote:
rosborne979 wrote:
snood wrote:
There seemed to be a conflict about whether it's possible to both believe in an organizing benevolent spiritual force, and still believe in the power of self.

Is a conflict between those two concepts inevitable to you?


No. Although it would depend to a matter of degree how you define each one.


I cannot see how there can be a conflict in any case!


Perhaps not. The terminology of the entire question is unclear to me.

"Organizing benevolent spiritual force"? What is that exactly? What type of force, like gravity, or magnetism, or ???

"Power of self"? I'm not sure what that means either. Does it mean Choice? Or does it mean Identity?
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jun, 2006 05:44 pm
You sneered. You challenged someone to find it. Someone did. You should just admit it.
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real life
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jun, 2006 08:51 pm
snood wrote:

There seemed to be a conflict about whether it's possible to both believe in an organizing benevolent spiritual force, and still believe in the power of self.

Is a conflict between those two concepts inevitable to you?


Many people (myself included) believe in God ( a personality, not just a 'force') and also hold that Man has free will, hence the responsibility for how his life turns out, the choices he makes , etc.

So any conflict, I guess, would be dependent on how broad the definition of 'power of self' that you are referring to.

If you attribute to 'self' some God-like quality, there's obviously a conflict. Otherwise, I doubt it.
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snood
 
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Reply Sat 1 Jul, 2006 12:20 am
Lash wrote:
You sneered. You challenged someone to find it. Someone did. You should just admit it.


Jeez.
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snood
 
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Reply Sat 1 Jul, 2006 12:27 am
real life wrote:
snood wrote:

There seemed to be a conflict about whether it's possible to both believe in an organizing benevolent spiritual force, and still believe in the power of self.

Is a conflict between those two concepts inevitable to you?


Many people (myself included) believe in God ( a personality, not just a 'force') and also hold that Man has free will, hence the responsibility for how his life turns out, the choices he makes , etc.

So any conflict, I guess, would be dependent on how broad the definition of 'power of self' that you are referring to.

If you attribute to 'self' some God-like quality, there's obviously a conflict. Otherwise, I doubt it.


I don't personally attibute to 'self' any Godlike quality (my 'self', or anyone else's 'self'). I think its possible that some do, and that some of those who do disapprove of those whom they perceive as looking outside of themselves. Don't you think there's a culture of people who have the same kind of fanatacism for self as its said others have it for God?
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real life
 
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Reply Sat 1 Jul, 2006 07:38 am
snood wrote:
real life wrote:
snood wrote:

There seemed to be a conflict about whether it's possible to both believe in an organizing benevolent spiritual force, and still believe in the power of self.

Is a conflict between those two concepts inevitable to you?


Many people (myself included) believe in God ( a personality, not just a 'force') and also hold that Man has free will, hence the responsibility for how his life turns out, the choices he makes , etc.

So any conflict, I guess, would be dependent on how broad the definition of 'power of self' that you are referring to.

If you attribute to 'self' some God-like quality, there's obviously a conflict. Otherwise, I doubt it.


I don't personally attibute to 'self' any Godlike quality (my 'self', or anyone else's 'self'). I think its possible that some do, and that some of those who do disapprove of those whom they perceive as looking outside of themselves. Don't you think there's a culture of people who have the same kind of fanatacism for self as its said others have it for God?


Yes, they have made themselves into a god. Right and wrong are determined only by what they want to have or to do at any given moment.
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