blatham wrote:Sword?! And you wonder why folks think there is a big pump pushing military-grade helium up your ass?
The issue here is the transparent and purposive manipulation of your (ie you as citizens) perceptions and ideas. I described precisely how this was managed in the case of Zarqawi (and elsewhere) and pointed to the near certainty that a new demon would be pushed forward to replace him. And there he is, in a framed color photo no less. Equally as predictable is that a bunch of you guys will just suck this all in as if Pat Tillman and Jessica Lynch and Haditha etc had never happened. You share a deep brotherhood with all those families who lived around Bergen-Belsen who did NOT want to know what that smoke meant.
So,you have already tried and convicted the marines in Haditha?
Have you seen the results of the investigation?
Are you going to allow those marines to defend themselves?
Are you going to allow a trial,or are you just going to convict them?
Something happened at Haditha,of that there is no argument.
WHAT happened,that is the question.
You apparently,think you have the answers,before all the questions have been asked.
mysteryman wrote:blatham wrote:Sword?! And you wonder why folks think there is a big pump pushing military-grade helium up your ass?
The issue here is the transparent and purposive manipulation of your (ie you as citizens) perceptions and ideas. I described precisely how this was managed in the case of Zarqawi (and elsewhere) and pointed to the near certainty that a new demon would be pushed forward to replace him. And there he is, in a framed color photo no less. Equally as predictable is that a bunch of you guys will just suck this all in as if Pat Tillman and Jessica Lynch and Haditha etc had never happened. You share a deep brotherhood with all those families who lived around Bergen-Belsen who did NOT want to know what that smoke meant.
So,you have already tried and convicted the marines in Haditha?
Have you seen the results of the investigation?
Are you going to allow those marines to defend themselves?
Are you going to allow a trial,or are you just going to convict them?
Something happened at Haditha,of that there is no argument.
WHAT happened,that is the question.
You apparently,think you have the answers,before all the questions have been asked.
Wanna make a cash wager that there's been a coverup of murder?
First, my
prime concern here isn't with the soldiers, even if it is the case that they are guilty of wanton slaughter of innocent men, women and children. It's not difficult to conclude that these kids are hapless pawns. How has it come to be that 85% of the guardsmen fighting there believe that their presence and operations are justified by Sadaam's involvement in 9/11? Who has been feeding them that bullshit? How has it come to pass that the soldiers have Rush Limbaugh piped in twice a day? As morally disgusting as it is to lie to the citizens back home, doesn't it seem magnitudes worse to feed such disinformation to the kids who will do the fighting, get maimed in body and in mind or blown to shitt and killed?
How many cases do we know of where coverups have taken place and false stories supplied to the media instead? Have you taken the time to read what Pat Tillman's father thinks about the way his son was used for PR purposes even while the family (and America) was knowingly fed lies - for many months, now becoming years - about what really happened? Jessica Lynch as a girl David Bowie, wounded yet blasting away courageously to defend freedom and perhaps even her frail sexual dignity/virginity against the swarthy dark-skinned and bearded evil people? Abu Ghraib. Etc etc.
How has truth and honesty become so unimportant? How do you guys allow yourselves to be so transparently manipulated? How is it that you don't make the connection between this level of propaganda and deceit with the management of perception used by the Soviets or the Chinese?
Perhaps the troops should listen instead to Lord Hah-ha and Tokyo Rose.
Asherman wrote:Perhaps the troops should listen instead to Lord Hah-ha and Tokyo Rose.
False dilemma. Why waste anyone's time with such a silliness?
Quote:First, my prime concern here isn't with the soldiers
Therein lies your problem.
You arent concerned with the soldiers,or the truth as long as you can convict them without a trial.
Quote:How has it come to pass that the soldiers have Rush Limbaugh piped in twice a day?
WRONG!!!!!
Armed Forces radio airs the first hour of his show,thats all.
Where you get this "twice a day" nonsense is beyond me.
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First, my prime concern here isn't with the soldiers
Therein lies your problem.
You arent concerned with the soldiers,or the truth as long as you can convict them without a trial.
You are not paying attention, naughty boy. Outside of the principal of consistent justice, I don't care whether those individual soldiers get convicted and put in the brig or if they get a paid holiday to Barbados even if guilty.
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How has it come to pass that the soldiers have Rush Limbaugh piped in twice a day?
WRONG!!!!!
Armed Forces radio airs the first hour of his show,thats all.
Where you get this "twice a day" nonsense is beyond me.
Thought I got that "twice" from you, but apparently not. So I am corrected now...Rush is piped in just once every day for one hour.
So. How about that cash wager?
If you pump helium up your ass, do farts sound like Kermit the Frog?
Not to get in the way of your disabusing us and your constant state of pique, but are you (blatham) going through male menopause. I know what to look for when I reach your age.
I used to enjoy reading blatham posts as well written and witty, now youve become this mean dude. You can take sides and all but youre weirding me out.
WOnt bother you any further sir, just wanted you to know that youve changed man, and its not pretty (nor very compelling I might add)
Sometimes, farmerman, the 'cold turkey' from not-smoking starts a looong time later.
But even then, it's only a short(er) period as I know from own experiences
Oh , so he quit smoking. I must have missed the memo. Well, sory Bern, however , maybe you should consider heroin, you need to become "mellow Bern" again.
I know its good for the heart and youre to be commended, now go look for your sese of humor. Its probably where you left it when you last used it.
You're not the first to take me to task in the manner you've done. Can't use the smoking alibi as I'm still smoking, though much less. Perhaps the heart attack or meds associated might be doing something I'm not aware of, but I don't think so. Grumpiness as a consequence of aging? That's definitely possible but on the other hand my days are normally quite agreeable and, other than on this site, I haven't lost friends nor suddenly found myself in fistfights or frothy-mouthed screaming fits in the park.
There doesn't seem to be much sense in repeating that, for example, two or your SC justices (Ginsburg, O'Conner) have recently spoken of the danger of a slide towards dictatorial governance in the US or that, as I mentioned above, 85% of the soldiers in Iraq believe they are there as a consequence of Sadaam's role in 9/11. What is the proper response to what's going on? A couple of years ago, an Israeli nuclear physicist nominated Ariel Sharon for an award in the field of nuclear physics. He explained that Sharon had won a peace prize and that his accomplishments in both areas were identical. Well, that's very funny but Israel is a fuckking mess. Stephen Colbert recently got near the heart of things and stuck a knife in. It was brilliant satire and Swift or Twain or Garry Trudeau would acknowledge an equal. But the press almost completely ignored it for two or three days until a rising chorus from the electronic world forced them to acknowledge it though in terms of he'd "gone too far". Jon Stewart (we're not worthy, we're not worthy) manages an astoundingly even keel on his show even while talking to Ken Mehlman or Bill Bennett. But perhaps you saw Stewart's Crossfire appearance. Proper etiquette got bundled up and stuck in the trunk.
In any case, I regret that I'm managed to lose another friend here. I can't imagine, perceiving matters as I do, that I'll somehow grow enthusiastic and happy this afternoon or tomorrow. You've got a government that engages in torture and a substantial portion of your citizenship which thinks that is just peachy. An entire structure of international codes and treaties established over the last 60 years is being purposefully dismantled by this administration on their road to industrial/military hegemony and confrontation with China. And, with the facility and pervasiveness of modern electronic technologies, you are seeing the beginnings of what will be, if these chaps get their way and there is a very good chance they will, incursions on privacy and monitoring of citizens that will make organized dissent significantly dangerous to any involved. Or should we talk about sea level rise?
So the question that arises for me, again, is whether or not I ought to bother encumbering others such as yourself with my negative appraisal and my anger that so many of you are going to continue on with protocols (eg manners) when Diebold is programming ballot machines and while Joe McCarthy clones are flowering across your media.
Perhaps I'll find the solution to that along with my sense of humor, when I find it again.
Blatham
Bernie, no need to explain. Anyone with any sense who is paying attention to what is going on in the U.S. has good reason to be more grumpy. I grow more gumpy each day. The only thing that saves my sanity are a few good friends and my two loving dogs.
Grumps of the world unite! Maybe some things could change for the better.
Love,
BBB
I wouldn't know where to begin with that monolithic collection of conspiracies, rumors of conspiracies, and ... well ... even more conspiracies and more rumors thereof.
But what-the-hell I'll go a la carte. Diebold. I will admit I was initially leery of the whole Diebold electronic voting machine hoopla ... but ... am I missing something here? Each of my vote selections was physically printed on a ticker tape (screen by screen ) when I officially entered each of my vote selections. Wasn't that a safeguard? It all felt fairly safe at the time, but if Blatham is to be believed, I was most likely duped once again by my thought-manipulating, treaty-trashing, Rush Limbaugh-piping, Arctic-drilling, ocean-raising, China-baiting, wire-tapping, devil-kissing elected federal officials ... the bastards.
"A vulnerability exists due to an undocumented backdoor account, which could a local or remote authenticated malicious user modify votes."
http://www.us-cert.gov/cas/bulletins/SB04-252.html#diebold/
http://www.us-cert.gov/cas/bulletins/SB04-252.html#diebold
Yeah, yeah, that's old news ... my point was how could the vast right wing conspirators still get around that actual hard copy which is printed for each and every vote cast? Wouldn't those be the verification used in a recount or is this just another example of my government managing my perceptions?
WhoodaThunk wrote:
Yeah, yeah, that's old news ... my point was how could the vast right wing conspirators still get around that actual hard copy which is printed for each and every vote cast? Wouldn't those be the verification used in a recount or is this just another example of my government managing my perceptions?
"Yeah, yeah rigged election no big deal as long as the corruption is in my candidates favor"
I notice it is only the Republicans that trivialize the evidence of rigged democracy. While Democrats are fighting to ensure a fair election.
Thats because Republicans promote anything that keeps them in power which has nothing to do with democracy. They require a perversion of democracy. All the lies they have told, all the corruption, all the disinformation must be dismissed as "conspiracy theories!", "rumors", "commies".
It is the methods they are captive of. They have to deny or suppress the reality of the situation by any means. Knowledge and democracy and open debate are the enemies to them.
How would the recount take place?
Quote:While Democrats are fighting to ensure a fair election.
Yeah, right. You mean try to cheat so THEIR candidate wins instead, right?
Amigo wrote:McGentrix wrote:Quote:While Democrats are fighting to ensure a fair election.
Yeah, right. You mean try to cheat so THEIR candidate wins instead, right?
You can call yourself whatever you want, I haven't called you anything.
Operative words are "can be". Any voting "can be" tampered with, until it has been done, crying about losing elections gets you no where.
How about exposing the reality of wide spread voter fraud where does that get me with the Republicans? Not far because sabataging democracy is how they came into office.
Amigo wrote:How about exposing the reality of wide spread voter fraud where does that get me with the Republicans? Not far because sabataging democracy is how they came into office.
Voter fraud by anyone should be exposed. You'll get no arguement from me about that. Claim it to be a "Republican" only issue and I will argue you with you about all day. It's hardly a single party issue.
