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Ann Coulter Attacks 9/11 Widows

 
 
yitwail
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jun, 2006 12:55 pm
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Mary Cheney was one of her father's top campaign aides and closest confidantes. In July 2003 she became the director of vice presidential operations for the Bush-Cheney 2004 Presidential re-election campaign.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Cheney
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jun, 2006 01:02 pm
Sounds to be like Ms. Cheney has been open about her sexual orientation for quite a while. No one "outed" her.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jun, 2006 01:05 pm
Why D'Art, yer just a old spoil-sport . . . now you know McWhitey had his heart set on some self-righteous moral outrage . . .
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jun, 2006 01:08 pm
Since when did yitwail become "McWhitey"?
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yitwail
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jun, 2006 03:35 pm
well, white whale is white, if you're literal-minded, but no whitey. i think Set was bestowing an affectionate nickname on McGentrix. :wink:
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jun, 2006 03:53 pm
McWhitey told me i should call him that, rather than the more formal McCaucasian.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jun, 2006 03:57 pm
That's nice ... but it was yit who asserted that Cheney had been "outed," not McG.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jun, 2006 03:59 pm
That wasn't the point--and, as usual, you missed the point. McWhitey contended that Miss Cheney is not a political operative, and claimed she was being made "fair game" simply because she's the Veep's daughter.

But you do try so hard to keep up, so i'll give you credit for that . . .
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yitwail
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jun, 2006 04:08 pm
Tico, i was merely using the term conservatives used at the time:

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Morton M. Kondracke (Roll Call executive editor): I want to say something that I forgot to mention in the vice presidential debate because Kerry repeated it tonight, which I think is totally underhanded, and that is the outing of Dick Cheney's lesbian daughter. [FOX News Channel, post-debate analysis, October 13]

Rush Limbaugh: Now, John Kerry wants to say, Bob, I firmly believe that homosexuality is not a choice. That's fine. Let him say what he - what he - what he thinks. To bring Vice President Cheney's daughter into it. To violate her privacy. He talked about privacy a lot in this debate last night but he doesn't give a whit about Mary Cheney's privacy. He [Kerry] saw fit to out her to people who don't know. [Rush Limbaugh Show, October 14]

Dr. James Dobson (radio host, and founder and chairman of the board of Focus on the Family): Right. There was something that Senator Kerry said that bothers me even more than outing Vice President Cheney's daughter, which I thought was terrible. It wasn't fair. It was an invasion of her privacy. I don't even know if she's outed herself. But what bothered me more was the assertion, which nobody challenged, that she was born that way. [FOX News Channel, Hannity & Colmes, October 14]

Wall Street Journal: Mr. and Mrs. Cheney have not kept their daughter's lesbianism a secret but neither have they shouted it to the sky. (In the days before the GOP Convention the Vice President mentioned it briefly at a campaign rally in Davenport, Iowa.) By outing Mary Cheney before millions of viewers on prime-time television, Messrs. Kerry and Edwards may hope to score points with their base of gay activists. [Wall Street Journal, Review & Outlook, October 15


http://mediamatters.org/items/200410150004?show=1
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jun, 2006 05:32 pm
Setanta wrote:
That wasn't the point--and, as usual, you missed the point. McWhitey contended that Miss Cheney is not a political operative, and claimed she was being made "fair game" simply because she's the Veep's daughter.

But you do try so hard to keep up, so i'll give you credit for that . . .


D'art's point -- the one which you responded to -- was that Cheney had not been outed, not that she was a political operative. His post corrected the assertion made by yit, not McG. D'art's post -- and again, it was his post you were responding to -- said nothing about her being a political operative. Your post makes no sense in that context.

It seems yer achin' desire to use yer homespun folksy-speak overcame your capability to use it at an appropriate moment.

Oh, well ... there's always next time.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jun, 2006 05:34 pm
yitwail wrote:
Tico, i was merely using the term conservatives used at the time:

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Morton M. Kondracke (Roll Call executive editor): I want to say something that I forgot to mention in the vice presidential debate because Kerry repeated it tonight, which I think is totally underhanded, and that is the outing of Dick Cheney's lesbian daughter. [FOX News Channel, post-debate analysis, October 13]

Rush Limbaugh: Now, John Kerry wants to say, Bob, I firmly believe that homosexuality is not a choice. That's fine. Let him say what he - what he - what he thinks. To bring Vice President Cheney's daughter into it. To violate her privacy. He talked about privacy a lot in this debate last night but he doesn't give a whit about Mary Cheney's privacy. He [Kerry] saw fit to out her to people who don't know. [Rush Limbaugh Show, October 14]

Dr. James Dobson (radio host, and founder and chairman of the board of Focus on the Family): Right. There was something that Senator Kerry said that bothers me even more than outing Vice President Cheney's daughter, which I thought was terrible. It wasn't fair. It was an invasion of her privacy. I don't even know if she's outed herself. But what bothered me more was the assertion, which nobody challenged, that she was born that way. [FOX News Channel, Hannity & Colmes, October 14]

Wall Street Journal: Mr. and Mrs. Cheney have not kept their daughter's lesbianism a secret but neither have they shouted it to the sky. (In the days before the GOP Convention the Vice President mentioned it briefly at a campaign rally in Davenport, Iowa.) By outing Mary Cheney before millions of viewers on prime-time television, Messrs. Kerry and Edwards may hope to score points with their base of gay activists. [Wall Street Journal, Review & Outlook, October 15


http://mediamatters.org/items/200410150004?show=1


I'm fully aware of that, yit. You need to address your post to D'artagnan, since he was the one who tried to correct you, not I.
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yitwail
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jun, 2006 06:12 pm
well, i didn't think d'art was correcting me, but merely clarifying for the benefit of McGentrix. on the other hand, when you wrote twice that i *asserted* that Ms. Cheney had been outed, it appeared to me that you were pointing out my error. hence, my riposte, so that you would know i was already aware of the point d'art was clarifying.
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Miller
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jun, 2006 07:47 pm
BernardR wrote:


The next president of the United States, Hillary Rodham Clinton, will handle Ann Coulter.


Wouldn't Bill and Ann make a lovely couple? Shocked
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BernardR
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jun, 2006 11:12 pm
I doubt Ann Coulter would allow Bill to get within ten yards of her. She does not cotton to "Hillbilly trash."
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BernardR
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jun, 2006 11:16 pm
Ticomaya- It would appear that Mr. Sentana, despite all of his "erudition" is in violation of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
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revel
 
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Reply Sat 17 Jun, 2006 06:34 am
Ann Coulter Identifies John Murtha as a Target for Murder

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I posted an extended guest entry on Crooks and Liars earlier today explaining why I think Ann Coulter should not be ignored by the online community. Since Coulter-fatigue is setting in, I'm posting the entire essay below to reiterate why I believe it's premature to drop the issue and why the media should be held accountable for giving her a platform.

First this (via QandO), from an interview on Right Wing News:


John Hawkins: How about dashing off a quick sentence or even just a word or two about the following individuals...

John Murtha: The reason soldiers invented "fragging."



Here's the definition of "fragging" for those who don't know:

"Frag is a term from the Vietnam War, most commonly meaning to assassinate an unpopular member of one's own fighting unit by dropping a fragmentation grenade into the victim's tent at night. A fragging victim could also be killed by intentional friendly fire during combat. In either case, the death would be blamed on the enemy, and, due to the dead man's unpopularity, no one would contradict the cover story. The intended victim of a fragging was sometimes given warnings, of which the first might be a grenade pin on the sheet of the victim, and later on, a tear gas grenade."

Here's how a rightwing blogger reacts:
"Absolutely disgusting. I have very little love for Mr. Murtha - and I recently agreed with his opponent Diana Irey when she said his words and actions of late were not that of a patriot. But there's no excuse - NONE - for the allusion to soldiers who kill other soldiers. It's despicable - and frankly, so is Coulter."

Yet NBC, a major U.S. media outlet, has given Coulter extended play in recent days. They have knowingly given a public forum to a woman who slandered 9/11 widows and who is now on the record identifying a U.S. Congressman, a Marine, as an ideal target for murder.

Here's how I view the Coulter problem (as posted on C&L):

Anybody who watched Ann Coulter's June 14th appearance on the Tonight Show had to realize that it was a watershed moment in the war between the establishment media and the progressive netroots, a community fresh off the successful YearlyKos convention. It was also a signal to Democrats that liberal ideology can be denigrated with impunity. Had the words "Jew" or "Christian" or "Conservative" been substituted for "Liberal" we'd be waking up to a national scandal.

Never mind that Jay Leno and George Carlin sat like trembling lambs while Coulter spewed gutter-level invective at millions of Americans - we've already seen the same obsequiousness from Larry King, Matt Lauer (who ended his faux-debate with Coulter by saying "always fun to have you") and others. The larger issue here is that despite an uproar from the progressive netroots, NBC saw fit to give Coulter a platform to continue her liberal-scapegoating and to slander women who lost their husbands on 9/11. (For the record, many rightwing bloggers denounced Coulter and several Democrats attacked her, but their focus was the substance of Coulter's words, not a criticism of the media outlets who continue to provide her a national forum.)

It's hard to deny that Coulter's words border on incitement. What she says is neither amusing nor smart nor humorous nor factual nor worthy of airing on a major media outlet. It treats a substantial segment of the population as sub-human, as creatures deserving of public scorn and worse (She said Jesus would say that "we are called upon to do battle" on liberalism). Careful not to violate Godwin's Law, I'll refrain from the obvious comparisons, but what we're dealing with here is a dangerous inflection point in American politics. When this kind of opprobrium is peddled by major media outlets, it's high time that the Democratic establishment and the larger progressive community understand that this is a make-or-break showdown with the media.

Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and their ilk have made an industry out of liberal-bashing. Coulter fits in perfectly with those hate-traffickers. And contrary to the false Michael Moore comparisons made by Leno and others, there is no progressive counterpart to these people on the national stage. The basic thrust of the left's critique is that George W. Bush and his administration are bad for America. It is in our tradition for citizens to defend the Constitution and to question the actions of their elected leaders. Rightwingers may characterize it as Bush Derangement Syndrome, but the progressive community, by and large, is going after government corruption and lies, not vilifying an entire group of Americans as Bin Laden-loving traitors.

The issue here is not the damage done to America's public discourse - we already know that liberals have become the equivalent of terrorists in the minds of millions of Americans. Nor is the issue the media's hunger for ratings (what's next, snuff films?) The issue is the establishment media's symbiotic relationship with these rightwing blatherers:

"I've argued that the propagation of anti-left and pro-right narratives by the establishment media is more insidious - and thus more dangerous - than the cowardly bleating of people like Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter, Bill Bennett, Bill O'Reilly, and Rush Limbaugh. When Coulter is invited to spout her putrescence on Larry King Live, the legitimacy granted to her is CNN's fault, not Coulter's. After all, there's no shortage of desperate attention seekers willing to say and do outlandish things to get noticed. The question is, why does CNN grant an open forum to this particular whack-job and not others?

The symbiotic relationship between far right screamers and the establishment media dresses up extremist rhetoric in a veneer of decorum. When Tim Russert, David Broder, Chris Matthews, and the New York Times peek into the Clinton bedroom, they are using their supposed 'neutrality' to disseminate rightwing talking points, thereby magnifying the rightwing echo chamber."

I respect those who think ignoring Ann Coulter's hideous rantings is the best way to deal with her. In normal circumstances, she'd be relegated to fringe websites and would be seen as nothing more than a sleazy political circus act. These are not normal circumstances. Attacking someone as disturbed as Coulter is a meaningless endeavor, but as I've written previously:

"This race to the bottom by the establishment media leaves the progressive netroots in a quandary: if the only thing these so-called 'journalists' want is to create an uproar, how do we respond? Some bloggers advocate ignoring slime-traffickers like Coulter and Glenn Beck, others attack them for the scum they peddle. My preferred tactic is to excoriate the media outlet that gives them a forum - it may play into their need for attention, but I think it's imperative for us to create a public record of these media transgressions...

One thing is for sure: responding to Coulter's assertions is pointless. When she speaks the unspeakable about the 9/11 widows ("I have never seen people enjoying their husbands' death so much") and when Glenn Beck does the same (calling hurricane survivors in New Orleans "scumbags" and saying he "hates" 9-11 families), reasoned discussion is not on the table."

There have been dozens of battles in the war between the blogs and the establishment media, from the Deborah Howell fiasco to Chris Matthews to Joe Klein to Tim Russert and more. Sites and blogs like Media Matters, dKos, Atrios, Crooks and Liars, FDL, Digby, Think Progress, TPM, and others are the netroots' front line in this increasingly bitter fight. This latest Coulter incident should be a wake-up call to the larger progressive community and to the Democratic leadership. Parading Coulter on national television is a statement from the establishment media that we don't matter, that our 'pressure' is meaningless, that our voices are worthless.

What's the proper course of action in response to this challenge? For the netroots, it's to keep growing and organizing, to hammer away at those in the media who enable the sliming of 9/11 widows, to respond to such media transgressions with ferocity of wit and will, and to badger elected Democrats and progressive leaders about the media problem.

For those on the left who still have blinders on, the response is to get a clue about what's happening. A good start is to read this series of essays from Jamison Foser, who explains the problem eloquently:

"The defining issue of our time is not the Iraq war. It is not the "global war on terror." It is not our inability (or unwillingness) to ensure that all Americans have access to affordable health care. Nor is it immigration, outsourcing, or growing income inequity. It is not education, it is not global warming, and it is not Social Security.

The defining issue of our time is the media.

The dominant political force of our time is not Karl Rove or the Christian Right or Bill Clinton. It is not the ruthlessness or the tactical and strategic superiority of the Republicans, and it is not your favorite theory about what is wrong with the Democrats.

The dominant political force of our time is the media.

Time after time, the news media have covered progressives and conservatives in wildly different ways -- and, time after time, they do so to the benefit of conservatives."

posted by Peter Daou at 6/15/2006 10:23:00 PM

2 Comments:
Bob Benjamin said...
I did not watch Ann Coulter on the Tonight show for a simple reason. I have made it a practice to turn off any program in which Coulter, or anyone like her appears. I no longer watch Hardball, Larry King, the McLaughlin Group or any programs on MSNBC but Countdown.

I have also made it a practice to write to the sponsors of the programs on which these primates appear, but not with empty threats of boycotts. I simply say that I do not watch any programs in which political extremists are given an uncritical forum. I will continue to buy their products but any ads that they run on such programs will not reach me.

Advertisers place ads to reach viewers. If they think the viewers they want to reach are tuning certain programs out, they will stop advertising on them.

I generally copy the network execs on these letters. I have no illusions that they give a rat's ass what one person thinks, but they WILL give a rat's ass if they start getting hundreds of similar letters.
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snood
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jun, 2006 08:44 pm
This heifer has lost any sense of decency she ever might've had, if she doesn't understand that slandering widows and advocating friendly-fire murder of congresspeople is over the frikkin line!
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BernardR
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jun, 2006 09:40 pm
I do agree with Snood--There are people in the USA who have gone over the "frikkin line" as Snood puts it. I did believe in "Freedom of Speech" as outlined in the first Amendment of the Constitution but if we examine the concept of yelling fire in a crowded theatre, Ms.Coulter's hatred of Rep. Murtha and the New Jersey widows is indeed over the "frikkin"line.

Coulter's incendiary speech must be suppressed, along with the over the top utterances of the Minister Farrakhan, ,Willie Brown, Charles Rangel, and John Conyers.

I will be happy to provide quotes for the above!
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jun, 2006 06:31 am
snood wrote:
This heifer has lost any sense of decency she ever might've had, if she doesn't understand that slandering widows and advocating friendly-fire murder of congresspeople is over the frikkin line!


I took a quick glance and failed to notice your moral outrage in this thread snood. Do you feel that only people you disagree with shouldn't be able to express their freedom of speech?
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revel
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jun, 2006 07:03 am
Saying someone is over the line is not advocating restricting freedom of speech, McG.
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