Ann Coulter Attacks 9/11 Widows

Plain Ol Me is in error. I never attended Harvard although I have visited the campus there. I am very much afraid that Plain Ol Me has been reading too much imaginative literature. I am also distressed to report that Plain Ol Me does not know how to use the term "strawman" correctly.

In "The Random House Dictionary of the English Language" Unabridged Edition I find--

Strawman--"An unimportant person, object or DISCUSSION"--"Your argument is a strawman intended to divert us from the real issues"

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BernardR wrote:

You are correct, Mr.Parados, but are you too frightened to try another link?

search the Web and put in "Podhoretz Who is Lying in Iraq"

Under the paragraph you will bring up, you will find the link I gave you.

Then, unless you are afraid of being completely disqualified in this argument, read the essay.

I am sure that with your abilities, you will be able to show that the argument presented in Podhoretz' essay is wrong. You must, however, be able to show that the quotes he presents are somehow, in error.

I see you have failed to mention when I addressed the essay earlier in this thread. Did you miss it? Are you incapable of remembering things from one day to the next? Are you really on crack?

All questions we would love you to answer.

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BernardR wrote:

Plain Ol Me is in error. I never attended Harvard although I have visited the campus there. I am very much afraid that Plain Ol Me has been reading too much imaginative literature. I am also distressed to report that Plain Ol Me does not know how to use the term "strawman" correctly.

In "The Random House Dictionary of the English Language" Unabridged Edition I find--

Strawman--"An unimportant person, object or DISCUSSION"--"Your argument is a strawman intended to divert us from the real issues"

ROFLMAO.. that has to be the funniest yet Bernie..
I notice you didn't post a link.. Is that because we would find you didn't cite the entire definition?

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A link? I gave you the Title of the Dictionary. I do not give links to books that I own. I do give page numbers. If you can't find the information that I gave you, I am distressed at your obviously poor research skills. If you can find that I did not give you the information in the definition having to do with "strawman", you are free to try to find out whether or not I gave the complete definition relating to "argument". If I did not, you can attack my crediblity.

Good luck.

In the meantime, re-read the definition. You may learn something!!!

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Now, Mr. Parados, I gave you a new link to find Mr. Podhoretz's essay. Why are you dissimulating? Are you too frightened to read the essay? Are you worried that you may not be able to rebut even a small part of it successfully? Stop the pretense, Mr. Parados, and get with the argument!!!!

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Speaking of argument and arguments: I believe you wll find the following to be informative regarding the use of the term 'Straw man'.

A straw man argument is a logical fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw-man argument" is to create a position that is easy to refute, then attribute that position to the opponent. A straw-man argument can be a successful rhetorical technique (that is, it may succeed in persuading people) but it is in fact misleading, since the argument actually presented by the opponent has not been refuted.

LINK

Joe(more a man of tin than straw)Nation

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Ann Coulter was on newsnight in the UK and was quite awful (boy she can't do an interview), check out clip below, anyone who seen it will not be buying her book.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/help/3681938.stm

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NYTimes Best Seller List:

HARDCOVER NONFICTION
Top 5 at a Glance
1. GODLESS, by Ann Coulter
2. DISPATCHES FROM THE EDGE, by Anderson Cooper
3. WISDOM OF OUR FATHERS, by Tim Russert
4. MARLEY & ME, by John Grogan
5. THE WORLD IS FLAT, by Thomas L. Friedman

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BernardR wrote:

Now, Mr. Parados, I gave you a new link to find Mr. Podhoretz's essay. Why are you dissimulating? Are you too frightened to read the essay? Are you worried that you may not be able to rebut even a small part of it successfully? Stop the pretense, Mr. Parados, and get with the argument!!!!

Well, I read it and I must say that it is just more of the same "What?? We are not the liars!!?? Someone else must have been lying.!" I've seen such pieces before listing all the quotes from the Clinton administration or Democrats about WMDs in order, not to show that the Bush Administration had a better view, but that they were just as duped as the others quoted. Not too reassuring, more like the usual corporate style of cover your ass.

Interestingly enough, the author doesn't quote anyone from the Bush Administration, Rice, Cheney, Rumsfeld, from the early days of 2000-2001 in regard to Saddam or WMDs, that's because in those days all of them were saying that Saddam was unimportant. See, Clinton and his advisors had expressed interest in Saddam (even bombing the crap out of him in the no-fly areas) but the Bush folks were determined to be the anti-Clintons, so if he was interested then they would not be. So Rice described Saddam as marginalized in 2000, hemmed in and without any true powers. She must have forgotten about all those WMDs. It wasn't until AFTER 9-11 that anyone in the Bush administration became exercised about Iraq.

Likewise, regarding Osama bin Laden, it was Richard Clarke, a Clinton appointee serving in the Bush Administration as a holdover in intelligence, who tried for ten months to get the Bush folks to pay any attention to the threat of terrorists like Osama bin Laden. Their response was ho-hum including when the report "Bin Laden determined to strike within the US" came out in the summer of 2001.

So the 'everybody else believed it too' argument seems a little thin to me especially when you are talking about the leadership of the most powerful country in the world. We needed to be on top of the right issues and this present bunch in the White House has failed, mostly through their own blindness and preconceived notions of how the world is. They didn't ask the simple two word question in 2001 and they have stopped asking it now, but I will ask it again :

Where's Osama?

Joe(where is he?)Nation

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That's funny, SierraSong. In which New York Times was that published?

Here's the real one, folks.

BEST SELLERS: June 11, 2006
(NYT) 1280 words
Published: June 11, 2006
Weeks
This Last On
Week Week List FICTION

1 1 AT RISK, by Patricia Cornwell. (Putnam, $21.95.) A Massachusetts state investigator applies DNA and other forensic techniques to a cold murder case; written as a serial for The New York Times Magazine.

2 1 4 BEACH ROAD, by James Patterson and Peter de Jonge. (Little, Brown, $27.95.) An East Hampton lawyer becomes involved in a highly publicized trial that pits locals against the super-rich.

3 2 2 DEAD WATCH, by John Sandford. (Putnam, $26.95.) A political operative investigates the murder of a former senator.

4 3 2 THE HARD WAY, by Lee Child. (Delacorte, $25.) When his wife is kidnapped, a man who deals in illegal soldiers turns to the former military cop Jack Reacher.

5 4 8 TWO LITTLE GIRLS IN BLUE, by Mary Higgins Clark. (Simon & Schuster, $25.95.) A small girl communicates telepathically with her kidnapped twin.

6 5 4 DIGGING TO AMERICA, by Anne Tyler. (Knopf, $24.95.) Two families, one of them Iranian-American, become involved with each other when both adopt baby girls from Korea.

7 8 165 THE DA VINCI CODE, by Dan Brown. (Doubleday, $24.95; special illustrated edition, $35.) A murder at the Louvre leads to a trail of clues found in the work of Leonardo and to the discovery of a secret society.

8 6 6 BLUE SHOES & HAPPINESS, by Alexander McCall Smith. (Pantheon, $21.95.) The seventh novel in the No. 1 Ladies' Detective Agency series.

9 9 5 PROMISE ME, by Harlan Coben. (Dutton, $26.95.) Myron Bolitar becomes a suspect when a high school girl disappears after he drives her to a friend's house.

10* 10 5 EVERYMAN, by Philip Roth. (Houghton Mifflin, $24.) A man grapples with aging and physical decline.

11 7 4 I SAY A LITTLE PRAYER, by E. Lynn Harris. (Doubleday, $21.95.) As a gay singer struggles with homophobia in the black church, he must come to terms with his past.

12 14 3 BAD TWIN, by Gary Troup. (Hyperion, $21.95.) A private investigator faces danger as he helps a man search for his irresponsible missing brother; the ''author'' is a character on the ABC hit series ''Lost.''

13 1 KILLER INSTINCT, by Joseph Finder. (St. Martin's, $24.95.) A mild-mannered executive hires a former Special Forces officer who will stop at nothing to help his friend get ahead; from the author of ''Company Man.''

14 16 4 SUITE FRANÇAISE, by Irène Némirovsky. (Knopf, $25.) Two novellas, which came to light more than 50 years after the author's death at Auschwitz, about life in France under the Nazis.

15 1 THE POE SHADOW, by Matthew Pearl. (Random House, $24.95.) A Baltimore lawyer investigates the poet's mysterious death; from the author of ''The Dante Club.''

Weeks

This Last On

Week Week List NONFICTION

1 1 32 MARLEY & ME, by John Grogan. (Morrow, $21.95.) A newspaper columnist and his wife learn some life lessons from their neurotic dog.

2 1 WISDOM OF OUR FATHERs, by Tim Russert. (Random House, $22.95.) The host of ''Meet the Press'' presents readers' letters about their fathers in response to his book ''Big Russ and Me.''

3 1 DISPATCHES FROM THE EDGE, by Anderson Cooper. (HarperCollins, $24.95.) The CNN correspondent describes a year of covering the tsunami in Sri Lanka, the war in Iraq and Hurricane Katrina.

4 2 3 MAYFLOWEr, by Nathaniel Philbrick. (Viking, $29.95.) How America began, from the author of ''In the Heart of the Sea.''

5 3 60 THE WORLD IS FLAT, by Thomas L. Friedman. (Farrar, Straus & Giroux, $30.) A columnist for The Times analyzes 21st-century economics and foreign policy.

6 8 59 FREAKONOMICs, by Steven D. Levitt and Stephen J. Dubner. (Morrow, $25.95.) A maverick scholar and a journalist apply economic theory to everything from cheating sumo wrestlers to the falling crime rate.

7 7 3 MYTHS, LIES, AND DOWNRIGHT STUPIDITY, by John Stossel. (Hyperion, $24.95.) The ''20/20'' anchor questions conventional wisdom.

8 5 3 MY LIFE IN & OUT OF THE ROUGH, by John Daly with Glen Waggoner. (HarperCollins, $25.95.) A memoir by the bad-boy golf champion.

9 4 7 DON'T MAKE A BLACK WOMAN TAKE OFF HER EARrings, by Tyler Perry. (Riverhead, $23.95.) The man behind ''Diary of a Mad Black Woman'' muses on life.

10* 6 4 BURNT TOAST, by Teri Hatcher. (Hyperion, $24.95.) The actress urges women to pursue their own satisfaction rather than continually sacrificing for others.

11 10 4 POSSIBLE SIDE EFFECTS, by Augusten Burroughs. (St. Martin's, $23.95.) Autobiographical essays from the author of ''Running With Scissors.''

12 9 4 THE MIGHTY AND THE ALMIGHTY, by Madeleine Albright with Bill Woodward. (HarperCollins, $25.95.) The former secretary of state reflects on America, God and world affairs.

13 12 6 THE OMNIVORE'S DILEMMA, by Michael Pollan. (Penguin Press, $26.95.) Tracking dinner from the soil to the plate, a journalist juggles appetite and conscience.

14 11 3 THE GREAT DELUGE, by Douglas Brinkley. (Morrow, $29.95.) A historian describes the human toll during the week following Hurricane Katrina.

15 16 66 BLINK, by Malcolm Gladwell. (Little, Brown, $25.95.) The author of ''The Tipping Point'' explores the importance of hunch and instinct to the workings of the mind.

16* 13 2 CRIME BEAT, by Michael Connelly. (Little, Brown, $25.95.) A crime reporter turned novelist describes a decade of covering cops and killers.

Joe(hmmmm musta been a mis-print)Nation
Link for subscribers.

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Joe Nation wrote:

That's funny, SierraSong. In which New York Times was that published?

Here's the real one, folks.

BEST SELLERS: June 11, 2006
(NYT) 1280 words
Published: June 11, 2006
Weeks
This Last On
Week Week List FICTION

1 1 AT RISK, by Patricia Cornwell. (Putnam, $21.95.) A Massachusetts state investigator applies DNA and other forensic techniques to a cold murder case; written as a serial for The New York Times Magazine.

2 1 4 BEACH ROAD, by James Patterson and Peter de Jonge. (Little, Brown, $27.95.) An East Hampton lawyer becomes involved in a highly publicized trial that pits locals against the super-rich.

3 2 2 DEAD WATCH, by John Sandford. (Putnam, $26.95.) A political operative investigates the murder of a former senator.

4 3 2 THE HARD WAY, by Lee Child. (Delacorte, $25.) When his wife is kidnapped, a man who deals in illegal soldiers turns to the former military cop Jack Reacher.

5 4 8 TWO LITTLE GIRLS IN BLUE, by Mary Higgins Clark. (Simon & Schuster, $25.95.) A small girl communicates telepathically with her kidnapped twin.

6 5 4 DIGGING TO AMERICA, by Anne Tyler. (Knopf, $24.95.) Two families, one of them Iranian-American, become involved with each other when both adopt baby girls from Korea.

7 8 165 THE DA VINCI CODE, by Dan Brown. (Doubleday, $24.95; special illustrated edition, $35.) A murder at the Louvre leads to a trail of clues found in the work of Leonardo and to the discovery of a secret society.

8 6 6 BLUE SHOES & HAPPINESS, by Alexander McCall Smith. (Pantheon, $21.95.) The seventh novel in the No. 1 Ladies' Detective Agency series.

9 9 5 PROMISE ME, by Harlan Coben. (Dutton, $26.95.) Myron Bolitar becomes a suspect when a high school girl disappears after he drives her to a friend's house.

10* 10 5 EVERYMAN, by Philip Roth. (Houghton Mifflin, $24.) A man grapples with aging and physical decline.

11 7 4 I SAY A LITTLE PRAYER, by E. Lynn Harris. (Doubleday, $21.95.) As a gay singer struggles with homophobia in the black church, he must come to terms with his past.

12 14 3 BAD TWIN, by Gary Troup. (Hyperion, $21.95.) A private investigator faces danger as he helps a man search for his irresponsible missing brother; the ''author'' is a character on the ABC hit series ''Lost.''

13 1 KILLER INSTINCT, by Joseph Finder. (St. Martin's, $24.95.) A mild-mannered executive hires a former Special Forces officer who will stop at nothing to help his friend get ahead; from the author of ''Company Man.''

14 16 4 SUITE FRANÇAISE, by Irène Némirovsky. (Knopf, $25.) Two novellas, which came to light more than 50 years after the author's death at Auschwitz, about life in France under the Nazis.

15 1 THE POE SHADOW, by Matthew Pearl. (Random House, $24.95.) A Baltimore lawyer investigates the poet's mysterious death; from the author of ''The Dante Club.''

Weeks

This Last On

Week Week List NONFICTION

1 1 32 MARLEY & ME, by John Grogan. (Morrow, $21.95.) A newspaper columnist and his wife learn some life lessons from their neurotic dog.

2 1 WISDOM OF OUR FATHERs, by Tim Russert. (Random House, $22.95.) The host of ''Meet the Press'' presents readers' letters about their fathers in response to his book ''Big Russ and Me.''

3 1 DISPATCHES FROM THE EDGE, by Anderson Cooper. (HarperCollins, $24.95.) The CNN correspondent describes a year of covering the tsunami in Sri Lanka, the war in Iraq and Hurricane Katrina.

4 2 3 MAYFLOWEr, by Nathaniel Philbrick. (Viking, $29.95.) How America began, from the author of ''In the Heart of the Sea.''

5 3 60 THE WORLD IS FLAT, by Thomas L. Friedman. (Farrar, Straus & Giroux, $30.) A columnist for The Times analyzes 21st-century economics and foreign policy.

6 8 59 FREAKONOMICs, by Steven D. Levitt and Stephen J. Dubner. (Morrow, $25.95.) A maverick scholar and a journalist apply economic theory to everything from cheating sumo wrestlers to the falling crime rate.

7 7 3 MYTHS, LIES, AND DOWNRIGHT STUPIDITY, by John Stossel. (Hyperion, $24.95.) The ''20/20'' anchor questions conventional wisdom.

8 5 3 MY LIFE IN & OUT OF THE ROUGH, by John Daly with Glen Waggoner. (HarperCollins, $25.95.) A memoir by the bad-boy golf champion.

9 4 7 DON'T MAKE A BLACK WOMAN TAKE OFF HER EARrings, by Tyler Perry. (Riverhead, $23.95.) The man behind ''Diary of a Mad Black Woman'' muses on life.

10* 6 4 BURNT TOAST, by Teri Hatcher. (Hyperion, $24.95.) The actress urges women to pursue their own satisfaction rather than continually sacrificing for others.

11 10 4 POSSIBLE SIDE EFFECTS, by Augusten Burroughs. (St. Martin's, $23.95.) Autobiographical essays from the author of ''Running With Scissors.''

12 9 4 THE MIGHTY AND THE ALMIGHTY, by Madeleine Albright with Bill Woodward. (HarperCollins, $25.95.) The former secretary of state reflects on America, God and world affairs.

13 12 6 THE OMNIVORE'S DILEMMA, by Michael Pollan. (Penguin Press, $26.95.) Tracking dinner from the soil to the plate, a journalist juggles appetite and conscience.

14 11 3 THE GREAT DELUGE, by Douglas Brinkley. (Morrow, $29.95.) A historian describes the human toll during the week following Hurricane Katrina.

15 16 66 BLINK, by Malcolm Gladwell. (Little, Brown, $25.95.) The author of ''The Tipping Point'' explores the importance of hunch and instinct to the workings of the mind.

16* 13 2 CRIME BEAT, by Michael Connelly. (Little, Brown, $25.95.) A crime reporter turned novelist describes a decade of covering cops and killers.

Joe(hmmmm musta been a mis-print)Nation
Link for subscribers.

NYTimes Best Sellers for FRIDAY, JUNE 23, 2006

http://www.nytimes.com/pages/books/bestseller/index.html

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for $4.99 I might go for it too

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/6/22/165745.shtml?s=et

[Editor's Note: You can get Ann Coulter's "Godless" for just $4.99 - Go Here Now.]

more quotes and

[Editor's Note: You can get Ann Coulter's "Godless" for just $4.99 - Go Here Now.]

the hard sell is on at Newsmax. Gotta be my favourite subscription, just to watch the froth.

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ehBeth wrote:

for $4.99 I might go for it too

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/6/22/165745.shtml?s=et

[Editor's Note: You can get Ann Coulter's "Godless" for just $4.99 - Go Here Now.]

more quotes and

[Editor's Note: You can get Ann Coulter's "Godless" for just $4.99 - Go Here Now.]

the hard sell is on at Newsmax. Gotta be my favourite subscription, just to watch the froth.

Poor Richard Mellon Scaife must be losing a ton of money buying up and remaindering all these copies of this "book"... Just like he did with the swifties.

"What a waste of an ISBN number"- LionTamerX

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Even our newspaper's conservative opinion columnist dislikes the current Coulter, calling her "graceless":

Quote:

This past week's round of "Why'd you have to go and do that?" came from someone who's lost patience with Coulter's hyperbole and cruelty -- and the unseriousness she manifests in their indulgence.

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/david_reinhard/index.ssf?/base/editorial/1150498518200990.xml&coll=7

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ehBeth wrote:

for $4.99 I might go for it too

you're made of sterner stuff. i wouldn't go for it if they paid me $4.99. Razz

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snood wrote:

There is a despicable Filapina rightwingnut named Michelle Malkin.

Missed this mean spirited and noxious blurb. That you despise her is great praise.

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Anne Coulter's book-"Godless" is rated No. 3 on Amazon's best seller list.

The last posting of The New York Times's best seller list is for June 18th.

The new posting will come out on June 25th.

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I thought I had made a previous posting, and perhaps I did, but after several runs through the threads, I can't find it.

In any case, here is the gist of my contribution:

How amazing that Lefties find Coulter's cracks so inexcusably offensive, when they traditionally rally around any and all miscreants spewing offensive venom, based on their first amendment rights.

For some reason, Ann is not deserving of the protection of the First Amendment.

How many Liberals defended Howard Stern's right to be disgustingly offensive?

How many Liberals questioned the propriety of Janet Jackson revealing a boob on nation-wide TV?

How many times have outlandish and offense comments by Liberals been the subject of controversy?

How many Liberals charged to the front to defend Ward Churchill's despicable comments?

You blatant hypocrites!

Beyond this point:

You idiots, The $ ring up with every anti-Coulter screed you publish.

You idiots, Coulter, Limbaugh, Scarborough, Hannity, and Savage are media personalities - not governmental powers, or even journalistic influencers.

This is a perfect example of the American Liberal I abhor: The ranting. self-important critics of right wing media personalities.

Not only is this effort idiotic, it is reflective of the fact than modern American Liberals are all about spin, message not meaning.

Here is Coulter's massive sin: She has had the temerity to criticize the "9/11" families.

Well, cast your bile encrusted missiles at me as well. 9/11 did not create a pantheon of saints. We can and should, all commiserate with the suffering of the families who lost loved ones on 9/11. There is no reason, however, why we should invest these people with any sort of sanctity or authority.

Close to 3,000 people perished on 9/11. Is it reasonable to assume that all of the family members who lost someone on this horrific date are deserving of our special regard? Is there any reason not to rely on the laws of probability and assume that some small percentage of the 9/11 families might be scumbag opportunists?

I happened to attend the funeral of a NYC emergency rescue member who ran into the collapsing building but never made it out

He was, obviously, a hero, but so was his wife, the mother of two small children.

If Coulter had focused on this woman, I would be all for lynching her.

However, I also attended the funeral of a NYC fireman who lived on Long Island where I grew up. He was, undeniably, a hero, but his wife had told him she wanted a divorce prior to 9/11. I am not about to question the extent of her grief concerning the loss of the father of her two children, but I am here to tell you that I do know that the publicity hunger she was able to feed upon as a result of this tragedy had very little to do with her regard for my friend.

Coulter, as usual, crossed the line; not-with-standing that all of the "9/11 Families" are hardly saints, but it is ironic, to say the least, that Liberals might choose to apply absolute standards to Coulter, but not Stern, Churchill, Chomsky etc.

Not to mention....

Those of you former Abuzzers who found the vile excrement of marburg to be tolerable. Should any of you find fault with Coulter I dare you to explain how she is more offensive than that cockroach marburg!

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Finn-It's just that the major media, which, as you are very well aware, left wing and protective of all statements, even outrageous ones, if they are made by left wing liberals.

Cases in point( Taken from "The Professors" by David Horowitz)

Here is what the scumbag, Ward Churchill said. It is far far more offensive than Coulter's

quote

"Let's get a grip here, shall we? True enough,( the victims of 9/11) were civilians of a sort. But innocent? Give me a break. If there was a better, more effective, or in fact any other way of visiting some penalty befitting their participation upon the little Eichmanns inhabiting the sterile sanctuary of the twin towers, I would like to hear about it"
end of quote
Astonishing and Amazing!!!!!!!

and

Professor Amiri Bakara- Rutgers University

In his book, American Sexual Reference: Black Male, Professor Bakara wrote:

quote

"Most American white men are trained to be fags, For this reason it is no wonder that their faces are weak and blank...the average ofay thinks of the black man as potentially raping every white lady in sight. Which is true in the sense that the black man should want to rob the white man of everything he has"

end of quote

What happened to Liberal tolerance???

and

Professor Gayle Rubin- Michigan University

Quote

"The recent career of boy-love in the public mind should serve as an alert that the self-interests of the feminist and gay movements are linked to simple justice for stigmatized sexual minorities...We must not reject all sexual contact between adults and young people as inherently oppressive

end of quote

AND THESE PEOPLE ARE TEACHING OUR YOUNG COLLEGE STUDENTS!!!!!

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Still doesn't match what you posted AND the NYT made a mis-print.
See number two. Unless the son of Gloria Vanderbilt has hooked up with Ms. Vicious. NYT Friday

HARDCOVER NONFICTION
Top 5 at a Glance
1. WISDOM OF OUR FATHERS, by Tim Russert
2. GODLESS, by Ann Coulter, by Anderson Cooper
3. MARLEY & ME, by John Grogan
4. DISPATCHES FROM THE EDGE, by Anderson Cooper
5. THE WORLD IS FLAT, by Thomas L. Friedman

Somehow on Serria's list HEREGodless was at number one. Wishful thinking?? Wishful linking? Hinky dinking?

and, of course, not important.

As to the last two posts by the Bobbsey Twins, liberals will continue to speak out for fairness in discourse. We don't pay much attention when Republicans try to tell us to shut up and get in line. I don't know what to make of Finn's comments- Howard Stern? Janet Jackson's boob? and a guy from Colorado who was rounded discounted from all sides. And poor BernardR, he has to fall back on Amiri Bakara for an example. (sigh)

Why aren't cutting up John Murtha? He's the real traitor, right?

Joe(back to bed)Nation

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