parados wrote:That's nice Timber except once again it is a false use of statistics.
Note that the stats for Philedelphia don't use "person years". They appear to use the number of deaths in Philly and then use the population of Philly. Is one to assume that no young blacks from outside Philly spent any time in Philly in 2003 nor was anyone from outside Philly killed there? A rather preposterous assumption don't you think?
Then they use a particular subset of stats to try to make a comparison. Is everyone in the military a young black male? Shouldn't we compare apples to apples? Would it be OK to remove the support personnel from the stats for military deaths in Iraq since they aren't in as much danger as the combat troops? Why do we only consider less then half of the 20-34 age group in Philly? Is that really a fair comparison? We might as well restrict the group to those that were killed. That way we could compare a 100% mortality rate to the rate in Iraq.
Parados, I submit that your objection is spurious; the article explicitly establishes "person years" as the criterion of comparison, and specifically cites individually identified years and clearly defined demographics as its points of comparison (in the case of the Philadelphia example you siezed on, for instance, the data cited refer to, and only to, deaths-per-thousand among the single demograpic comprised of African American males aged 20 - 34 for the single year 2002).
Now, nobody contends that duty in Iraq is "safe"; any such notion would be absurd on its face - military duty by its nature, war or no war, entails risks and hazards uncharacteristic of civilian life. Toss in armed hostilities, and things get only less "safe". All that aside, even with active conflict in Afghanistan and Iraq the annual-rate-of-death-per-thousand for active-duty US Military personnel, all causes, for the year 2004 (the most recent year for which full figures are available), while higher than the average for the previous 20 years, was statistically insignificantly different from the rate recorded for the years 1980 through 1983, a time period over which it need not be mentioned that our nation was not at war.
Interesting, though, due to the smaller size of today's military compared to that of a couple decades ago, not directly pertinent, is that overall deaths of active duty US Military personnel for the year 2004 were fewer than for any year over the period from 1980 through 1987.
Data:
US Dept of Defense: Defense Manpower Data Center - Office of the Actuary