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Civilians Death Rate in Iraq Less Than in Washington, DC

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 4 Jun, 2006 05:57 am
And what's your advice re. not using the other data?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Sun 4 Jun, 2006 09:50 am
Don't waste your time, WH; you will never receive anything resembling a reasoned response from a whack-a-mole.

After all, the numbers in question were shown to be completely false on the first page of the thread, yet some can't be bothered to read that far back - or simply don't care.

Cycloptichorn
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sun 4 Jun, 2006 11:33 am
Hi to yall from Virginia (usa)
If you have had the news on today, you know that it has been a particularly dreadful day in Iraq. A bunch of high school students dragged off a bus and executed. Officials from a girls school abducted and not yet found and on and on.
There is something; intuitively there has to be something wrong with the figure cited as being the violent death rate in Iraq..
I think back and here I believe is the catch: the death rate in Iraq is amongst CIVIlLIANS. That exludes the police, the Iraqi security forces, or perhaps even people classified, however loosely, as "insurgents."
I don't know and whether it is up or down from when Hussein was in power I can't say. The numbers are too unreliable.
But I do believe that we are losing the battle for the hearts and minds of the Iraqi people. The country, if it is not already in civil war, soon will be.

I spent some of my youth in Vietnam, pretty near the end. 15 months. I blew things up and shot at shadows in the dark And sometimes the shadows shot back. But it was winding down then.
People like Rep King and some fat-assed talk show types claim that everything in Iraq is going just fine. They are wrong. The American public perhaps, but I can't prove it, agrees. I reckon we will get our referendum on that in November.
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parados
 
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Reply Sun 4 Jun, 2006 12:50 pm
BernardR wrote:
This was reported in the New York Sun- Is it in error, and if so, why?

"According to Mr. King, the violent death rate in Iraq is 25.71 per 100,000. That may sound high, but not when you compare it to places like Colombia 61.7" per 100,000 death rate, violent death rate. South Africa, has a higher violent death rate per 100,000: 49.6 per 100,000. Even Jamaica has a higher violent death rate than does Iraq: 32.4, and Venezuela comes in at 31.6 violent deaths per 100,000. "How about the violent death rates in American cities? New Orleans before Hurricane Katrina was 53.1," violent death rate per 100,000. "FBI statistics for 2004-05 have Washington" DC's violent death rate at 45.9 per 100,000; Baltimore at 37.7 per 100,000, and Atlanta at 34.9 per 100,000. The figure again from Iraq, 25.71 per 100,000, and that includes the war.


Bernie, if you bothered to check the beginning of this thread you would see why is is error. 25.71 in no way relates to the actual civiliain deaths in Iraq. the actual number using Pentagon figures is over 100 per 100,000. There is no figure anywhere to be found that puts it as low as Rep King claims it is.

Of course Iraq is less than other countries when you don't use the real numbers.
The number is NOT correct. REPEAT. The number is NOT correct which has been discussed here for quite some time including sources. Coming back with the same number that has been refuted and well refuted doesn't suddenly make King's number have any more veracity. It is BOGUS, WRONG, COMPLETELY FALSE.
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Acquiunk
 
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Reply Sun 4 Jun, 2006 01:00 pm
Be that as it may, everyone knows President Bush as a clearly defined strategy to defend democracy in Iraq and outline a path to victory.
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revel
 
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Reply Sun 4 Jun, 2006 03:04 pm
Acquiunk wrote:
Be that as it may, everyone knows President Bush as a clearly defined strategy to defend democracy in Iraq and outline a path to victory.



Actually "containment" is the new buzz word for Iraq now, precisely because they realize that victory might not be possible for years yet. (I think thats being a little optimistic, but then I am a gloomer and doomer)

Washington's New Watchword: Containment

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May 22, 2006 - An old word is gaining new currency in Washington: containment. You may be hearing a lot more of it as the Bush administration hunkers down for its final two years. Containment of Iraq's low-level civil war, which shows every sign of persisting for years despite the new government inaugurated this week.
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JustanObserver
 
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Reply Sun 4 Jun, 2006 11:38 pm
parados wrote:
There is no figure anywhere to be found that puts it as low as Rep King claims it is.

Of course Iraq is less than other countries when you don't use the real numbers.
The number is NOT correct. REPEAT. The number is NOT correct which has been discussed here for quite some time including sources. Coming back with the same number that has been refuted and well refuted doesn't suddenly make King's number have any more veracity. It is BOGUS, WRONG, COMPLETELY FALSE.



Just in case he glossed over that part.

Repeating false information (that has already been proven false) does not make it any more true.
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BernardR
 
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Reply Mon 5 Jun, 2006 01:05 am
Mr/Hinteler- I am afraid that I do not understand you- What do you mean by "qweel-respected American Universities" I cannot find the word queel anywhere in the dictionaries. Is it a German Word?
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BernardR
 
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Reply Mon 5 Jun, 2006 01:18 am
After checking the Brookings Institute( a liberal source) it is revealed that the violent death rate in DC was 35 per 100,000 as opposed to 95 per 100,000 in Baghdad. It is clear as I read the figures that Rep.King took the entire country of Iraq as opposed to the city of DC.

However, having visited both cities, Baghdad and DC, I would rather take my chances in the Green Zone than on the streets of the ghetto in DC.
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xingu
 
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Reply Mon 5 Jun, 2006 03:10 am
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However, having visited both cities, Baghdad and DC, I would rather take my chances in the Green Zone than on the streets of the ghetto in DC.

Why don't you try comparing the Green Zone with the grounds of the White House and D.C.'s ghetto with everything outside of the Green Zone.

Now tell me, would you rather walk outside the Green Zone without an escort and wearing kevlar or D.C.'s ghetto?
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BernardR
 
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Reply Mon 5 Jun, 2006 04:57 am
Well, if you really want to know, if I really had to pick my death, I would much rather be shot by a gangbanger in DC than be beheaded by one fo the savage towel heads in Baghdad. Those murderous bastards are fanatic beasts who cut off the heads of innocent women. If I were in charge I would try to get most of them in one area and nuke them. Then they all could have their 72 or is it 76 virgins!
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 5 Jun, 2006 05:34 am
BernardR wrote:
Well, if you really want to know, if I really had to pick my death, I would much rather be shot by a gangbanger in DC than be beheaded by one fo the savage towel heads in Baghdad. Those murderous bastards are fanatic beasts who cut off the heads of innocent women. If I were in charge I would try to get most of them in one area and nuke them. Then they all could have their 72 or is it 76 virgins!
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Mon 5 Jun, 2006 07:25 am
BernardR wrote:
Well, if you really want to know, if I really had to pick my death, I would much rather be shot by a gangbanger in DC than be beheaded by one fo the savage towel heads in Baghdad. Those murderous bastards are fanatic beasts who cut off the heads of innocent women. If I were in charge I would try to get most of them in one area and nuke them. Then they all could have their 72 or is it 76 virgins!

We know, Bernard, we know. Your genocidal impulses is one of the things that endear you to us....
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parados
 
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Reply Mon 5 Jun, 2006 07:27 am
Does that mean Bernard sees himself as an innocent woman?

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I would much rather be shot by a gangbanger in DC than be beheaded by one fo the savage towel heads in Baghdad. Those murderous bastards are fanatic beasts who cut off the heads of innocent women.


I think it does.
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xingu
 
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Reply Mon 5 Jun, 2006 07:27 am
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Well, if you really want to know, if I really had to pick my death, I would much rather be shot by a gangbanger in DC than be beheaded by one fo the savage towel heads in Baghdad. Those murderous bastards are fanatic beasts who cut off the heads of innocent women. If I were in charge I would try to get most of them in one area and nuke them. Then they all could have their 72 or is it 76 virgins!


Nothing like a calm, rational, well thought out response.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Mon 5 Jun, 2006 07:40 am
xingu wrote:
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Well, if you really want to know, if I really had to pick my death, I would much rather be shot by a gangbanger in DC than be beheaded by one fo the savage towel heads in Baghdad. Those murderous bastards are fanatic beasts who cut off the heads of innocent women. If I were in charge I would try to get most of them in one area and nuke them. Then they all could have their 72 or is it 76 virgins!


Nothing like a calm, rational, well thought out response.

...and that was "nothing like a calm, rational, well thought out response."
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 5 Jun, 2006 07:42 am
I don't walk around in poor neighborhoods in DC. I don't intend to go to Baghdad, either. Neither of which assetions bears any relevance to the contention that DC is as or more dangerous than Baghdad.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 5 Jun, 2006 10:05 am
Quote:
Police impostors kidnap 50 in Baghdad

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Gunmen posing as Iraqi police commandos raided three transportation companies and kidnapped 50 people Monday in Baghdad, an Iraqi Interior Ministry official said.


All this 'safer in Iraq than DC' Bullsh*t is the dumbest thing I have ever heard in my life.

Cycloptichorn
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Mon 5 Jun, 2006 10:29 am
be just a regular person and walk through both DC and Bagdad in broad daylight wearing a mini skirt or an AC/DC t-shirt or even dressed in modest business attire but carrying a new testament and see which area is safer......
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Mon 5 Jun, 2006 10:35 am
as a matter of fact the thought of Brandon and Bernard walking ANYWHERE in mini skirts and AC/DC t-shirts just plain makes me smile....
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