Bible vs. Science

I probably have hundreds of scriptures nearly memorized.

Which is really a pity because I have nearly a thousand secular songs memorized.

I used to be booked when I would go out and play my guitar and sing as, "The man who knows a thousand songs."

I just showed up one night and the manager had that written on the marquee and, I probably do have over a thousand songs memorized.

I have songs memorized that I have never even tried to play before.

If I tried to play them I could make it through most of them on the fly.

I have the words to American Pie memorized, I used to have Mr. Tambourine man completely memorized (I can still get through it though). And the list goes on and on.

But now in the last eight to ten years I have turned my focus back into the word of God.

I still have to work some things out with God.

I cannot impart to you in words what God has shown me already.

But there is no end to learning, the Bible is not a finite book. The spirit leads to infinity.

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Was there death in the world before Adam and Eve sinned?

There must have been death in the world if evolution took place "before" Eden but was there sin?

Darkness was on the face of the deep (the spirit was in darkness).

This "darkness" preceded "paradise"...

In order for darkness to exist the light would have had to have "died"...

Though the light "dies" the seeds of light still exist and need only to be spoken back into being.

"Let there be light."

Light lives when it can travel through space unobstructed.

It survives when it is fit with positively charged energy and not adversely slowed by heavy matter and physical resistance.

Light evolves into a spectrum of diversity.

Adam and Eve sinned in the flesh and thus became spiritually "in the dark"..

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RexRed wrote:

Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond [slave] nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

That is the heart of the Christian ethic.

Anything less than that is below the Christian standard of tolerance and equality.

So your scripture Frank about slaves sticking it out. That refers to when they have non Christian masters.

And when it refers to masters treating their slaves with kindness that is also to non Christians masters.

This is again because a true Christian would not place themselves above another person. That is because true Christians understand the fundamental idea of body, soul and holy spirit and the equality of each member within the Christian family of God.

Once again, Rex, you are incorrect on this point.

"All under the yoke of slavery must regard their masters as worthy of full respect...Those slaves whose masters are brothers in the faith must not take liberties with them on that account. they must perform their tasks even more faithfully, since those who will profit from their work are believers and beloved brothers."

In the Epistle, Philemon, Paul returns a slave (Onesimus) to his master (Philemon) and tells Philemon that although he (Paul) feels he has the right to command Philemon to free Onesimus, he would not do that, but would instead appeal to Philemon to do it on his own.

There is no doubt whatever that Philemon is a Christian. There is also no doubt that Paul sees very, very little wrong with Philemon deciding to keep Onesimus as a slave if he chooses in that direction.

Slavery was completely okay with the god of the Old Testament...and slavery was completely okay with the god of the New Testament also.

In any case, no big deal here. We all make mistakes...and there is lots good to be said about folks like you who acknowledge a mistake when it is discovered.

But this could be an opportunity to learn something much more significant, Rex.

You want so much to "believe" certain things about the Bible, your religion, and the god of the Bible and your religion...

...that you start from a position of "believing" stuff that aims in that direction.

Think about the open-mindedness that I know you value deeply, Rex. Think about it carefully.

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RexRed wrote:

I probably have hundreds of scriptures nearly memorized.

See . . . you think every thread you enter is about you.

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Your only dodge about the number of species which would have had to have been packed into that woefully inadequate hull is to claim that "new species" would have arisen through "interbreeding."

I love this. It came from a nut who's spent many an hour trying to disparage evolution. Seems it works when it's convenient!

That was great post BTW Set. I know it was a while ago, but dealing with these twits has worn very thin. There hasn't been a lot that's interested me on this board lately.,

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Thanks, Boss . . . i love the flood story because it so wacky and improbable . . .

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So how do the Bible thumpers explain the sun standing still for 24 hours? One expanation I heard was the aurora borealis. It lit up the sky all night in the Middle East.

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Just a little help.

RexRed wrote:

Was there death in the world before Adam and Eve sinned?

Yes, or Adam and Eve would not have know what death meant.

RexRed wrote:

There must have been death in the world if evolution took place "before" Eden but was there sin?

No.

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So how do the Bible thumpers explain the sun standing still for 24 hours? One expanation I heard was the aurora borealis. It lit up the sky all night in the Middle East.

The Bible does not mention any change in color, like what would be expected if an aurora had occurred. Furthermore, auroras rarely, if ever, occur near Israel because they generally happen around polar regions. That explanation conflicts with the Bible and reality--a sure sign of an apologetic not thinking.

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Setanta wrote:

RexRed wrote:
I probably have hundreds of scriptures nearly memorized.

See . . . you think every thread you enter is about you.

If you read the threads instead of just taking shots with those who you don't agree with, you would know that this was in response to a question from farmerman.

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Intrepid wrote:

Setanta wrote:
RexRed wrote:
I probably have hundreds of scriptures nearly memorized.

See . . . you think every thread you enter is about you.

If you read the threads instead of just taking shots with those who you don't agree with, you would know that this was in response to a question from farmerman.

Responding to the author, and not the post? Why, that's terrible!!!!

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RexRed wrote:

I probably have hundreds of scriptures nearly memorized.

That's delightful for you, but knowing when to use them appropriately and in context would probably get you a tiny bit less negative attention.

Then again, that might defeat your purpose.

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Intrepid wrote:

Setanta wrote:
RexRed wrote:
I probably have hundreds of scriptures nearly memorized.

See . . . you think every thread you enter is about you.

If you read the threads instead of just taking shots with those who you don't agree with, you would know that this was in response to a question from farmerman.

and sometimes, what's true is true

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So you and Bill are back to tag-team stalking, huh, Snood?

Did you arrange that by PM, your favorite means of forwarding your obsessional hatreds?

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By the way, Bill, FM did not ask Rex how much of the bobble he had committed to memory. That was Rex's egocentric flight of fantasy in response to FM pointing out that if he (FM) shoots down one portion on Rex's nonsense, Rex will just puke up another irrelevant piece of scripture.

So, you see, i do read the thread. Unlike you, however, i also understand what has been going on in the thread.

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Setanta wrote:

So you and Bill are back to tag-team stalking, huh, Snood?

Did you arrange that by PM, your favorite means of forwarding your obsessional hatreds?

You'd sure be the right one to lecture about obsessional hate, dawg.

And tag-teaming, too.

But yer gettin paranoid.

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Setanta wrote:

So you and Bill are back to tag-team stalking, huh, Snood?

Did you arrange that by PM, your favorite means of forwarding your obsessional hatreds?

I see you have your tag-team partner on this thread now. Quit being so paranoid.

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Actually, I take that back. EhBeth is nothing like you.

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But remember, dawg - just cuz yer paranoid, doesn't mean there ain't a plot against ya.

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megamanXplosion wrote:

The Bible does not mention any change in color, like what would be expected if an aurora had occurred. Furthermore, auroras rarely, if ever, occur near Israel because they generally happen around polar regions. That explanation conflicts with the Bible and reality--a sure sign of an apologetic not thinking.

I agree but but that's the only explanation I've heard from the BT's. After doing some researching I came across some other explanations.

The BT's are still promoting this fraud on the internet; the missing day fraud.

Here's Dr. Immanuel Velikovsky's explaination of how the earth stood still. You can find it in his book "Worlds in Collision".

Here's a site that snows you a lot of math to try to make it look like a "scientific" explanation of how the earth stood still.

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Conclusion
We may conclude that it is possible, within the well known laws of mechanics and physics that the Earth's crust (the continental areas -- which were the areas of most concern to the people living at that time) ceased to rotate for a period of about a day. Given the physical mechanism whereby the Earth's continental land masses are gravitationally attracted to a close encounter with another planetary body and thereby slip over the rotating core and mantle, the subsequent coming back up to speed due to frictional forces between the crust and the rotating core/mantle (and the variation in the gravitational attraction due to the passing of the other planetary body), the independent confirmation of ancient histories with the Biblical account lead us to the conclusion that at least once in ancient times the Earth's rotation was interrupted so that the sun and moon appeared to stand still.

This Christian site say the event happened but they can't explain how. It's the "God works in mysterious ways" explanation.

Some quotes;

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People gave ear to an upstart astrologer who strove to show that the earth revolves, not the heavens or the firmament, the sun and the moon.... This fool wishes to reverse the entire science of astronomy; but sacred scripture tells us that Joshua commanded the sun to stand still, and not the earth.
-- Martin Luther, referring to Joshua 10:13 (above), in his series of "Table Talks" (1539)

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Who will venture to place the authority of Copernicus above that of the Holy Spirit?
-- John Calvin, citing Psalm 93:1 in his Commentary on Genesis

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... And whereas it has also come to the knowledge of the said Congregation that the Pythagorean doctrine -- which is false and altogether opposed to the Holy Scripture -- of the motion of the Earth and the immobility of the Sun, which is also taught by Nicolaus Copernicus in De Revolutionibus Orbium Coelestium, and by Diego de Zuñiga On Job, is now being spread abroad and accepted by many... Therefore, in order that this opinion may not insinuate itself any further to the prejudice of Catholic truth, the Holy Congregation has decreed that the said Nicolaus Copernicus, De Revolutionibus Orbium, and Diego de Zuñiga, On Job, be suspended until they are corrected.
-- The Roman Catholic Church, from The Decree of the Roman Catholic Congregation of the Index which condemned De Revolutionibus on March 5, 1616

SOURCE

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Of course, my name is not "dawg." But i'll remember that, boy--the first time you've been honest about what i already knew, and didn't need paranoia to inform me.

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