RexRed
 
  1  
Reply Sun 16 Jul, 2006 04:22 pm
rosborne979 wrote:
RexRed wrote:

I suddenly saw paganism clearly for what it was meant to be.

Something to control the masses while underneath a secret corruption prevailed.


Your description is more accurate of christianity than of paganism.

Quote:
The term pagan is from Latin paganus, an adjective originally meaning "rural", "rustic" or "of the country." As a noun, paganus was used to mean "country dweller, villager." In colloquial use, it would mean much the same as calling someone a 'bumpkin' or a 'hillbilly'. paganus was almost exclusively a derogatory term. (It is from this derivation of "villager" which we have the word "villain", which the expanding Christians called the Pagans of Northern Europe/Scandinavia) From its earliest beginnings, Christianity spread much more quickly in major urban areas (like Antioch, Alexandria, Corinth, Rome) than in the countryside (in fact, the early church was almost entirely urban), and soon the word for "country dweller" became synonymous with someone who was "not a Christian," giving rise to the modern meaning of "pagan."[1] In large part, this may have had to do with the conservative nature of rural people, who were more resistant to the new ideas of Christianity than those who lived in major urban centers.


Source


Truth is God made
Religion is man made

Christians can be quite fallible.

That does not make non christians any closer to the truth either.

Pity...
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Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Reply Sun 16 Jul, 2006 04:27 pm
RexRed wrote:
Truth is God made

Religion is man made


Interesting guesses. Based on damn near nothing, though.

Quote:
Christians can be quite fallible.


No need to argue that point. We realize it.

Quote:

That does not make non christians any closer to the truth either.

Pity...


Profound! Keep in mind how you got to this conclusion. Conceive of the sentence with the words "non christians" replaced by "non theists."
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RexRed
 
  1  
Reply Sun 16 Jul, 2006 04:31 pm
Frank Apisa wrote:
RexRed wrote:
Truth is God made

Religion is man made


Interesting guesses. Based on damn near nothing, though.

Quote:
Christians can be quite fallible.


No need to argue that point. We realize it.

Quote:

That does not make non christians any closer to the truth either.

Pity...


Profound! Keep in mind how you got to this conclusion. Conceive of the sentence with the words "non christians" replaced by "non theists."


Non theists are just idiots with their eyes shut.
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Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Reply Sun 16 Jul, 2006 04:37 pm
RexRed wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
RexRed wrote:
Truth is God made

Religion is man made


Interesting guesses. Based on damn near nothing, though.

Quote:
Christians can be quite fallible.


No need to argue that point. We realize it.

Quote:

That does not make non christians any closer to the truth either.

Pity...


Profound! Keep in mind how you got to this conclusion. Conceive of the sentence with the words "non christians" replaced by "non theists."


Non theists are just idiots with their eyes shut.


Oh you are so, so, so confused.

Hey...if you want to think of non-theists as idiots...or as folks with their eyes closed...

...do so.

If you want to do it publicly...so we all can laugh at the irony of YOU, of all people, making those charges...

...go for it.

Anyone bringing this kind of joy and laughter to humanity has to be honored.

I drink to you, Rex.
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RexRed
 
  1  
Reply Sun 16 Jul, 2006 04:43 pm
Frank Apisa wrote:
RexRed wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
RexRed wrote:
Truth is God made

Religion is man made


Interesting guesses. Based on damn near nothing, though.

Quote:
Christians can be quite fallible.


No need to argue that point. We realize it.

Quote:

That does not make non christians any closer to the truth either.

Pity...


Profound! Keep in mind how you got to this conclusion. Conceive of the sentence with the words "non christians" replaced by "non theists."


Non theists are just idiots with their eyes shut.


Oh you are so, so, so confused.

Hey...if you want to think of non-theists as idiots...or as folks with their eyes closed...

...do so.

If you want to do it publicly...so we all can laugh at the irony of YOU, of all people, making those charges...

...go for it.

Anyone bringing this kind of joy and laughter to humanity has to be honored.

I drink to you, Rex.


Well Frank, (ancient rexred saying) One who closes ones eyes cannot see...

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RexRed
 
  1  
Reply Sun 16 Jul, 2006 04:47 pm
Grid locked.

A grid that is, locked...
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RexRed
 
  1  
Reply Sun 16 Jul, 2006 05:30 pm
Genesis 11:1
And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.

Genesis 11:9
Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.
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RexRed
 
  1  
Reply Sun 16 Jul, 2006 05:43 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belus_%28Assyrian%29
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Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Reply Sun 16 Jul, 2006 05:57 pm
RexRed wrote:
Genesis 11:1
And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.

Genesis 11:9
Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.



"When you march up to attack a city, first offer terms of peace.
If it agrees to your terms of peace and opens its gates to you,
all the people to be found in it shall serve you in forced labor.
But if it refuses to make peace with you and instead offers you
battle, lay siege to it, and when the Lord, your God, delivers it
into your hand, put every male in it to the sword, but the women
and children and livestock and all else in it that is worth
plunder you may take as your booty and you may use this plunder
of your enemies which the Lord, your God, has given you." Deuteronomy 20:10
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Lightwizard
 
  1  
Reply Sun 16 Jul, 2006 05:57 pm
Eyes Wide Shut
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RexRed
 
  1  
Reply Sun 16 Jul, 2006 08:16 pm
Frank Apisa wrote:
RexRed wrote:
Genesis 11:1
And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.

Genesis 11:9
Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.



"When you march up to attack a city, first offer terms of peace.
If it agrees to your terms of peace and opens its gates to you,
all the people to be found in it shall serve you in forced labor.
But if it refuses to make peace with you and instead offers you
battle, lay siege to it, and when the Lord, your God, delivers it
into your hand, put every male in it to the sword, but the women
and children and livestock and all else in it that is worth
plunder you may take as your booty and you may use this plunder
of your enemies which the Lord, your God, has given you." Deuteronomy 20:10


Scripture number five Frank?

1 John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

Comment:
Frank you have magnified an evil God so you only comprehend this evil God. You cannot see the mystery at work underneath it all.

1 Corinthians 13:4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

Comment:
You marvel at the iniquity of God but you deny the righteousness of God.

Job 35:2
Thinkest thou this to be right, that thou saidst, My righteousness is more than God's?

Job 33:26
He shall pray unto God, and he will be favourable unto him: and he shall see his face with joy: for he will render unto man his [God's] righteousness.

Ps 23:3
He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.

Ps 31:1
In thee, O LORD, do I put my trust; let me never be ashamed: deliver me in thy righteousness.

Ps 33:5
He loveth righteousness and judgment: the earth is full of the goodness of the LORD.

Ps 71:19
Thy righteousness also, O God, is very high, who hast done great things: O God, who is like unto thee!

Ps 97:6
The heavens declare his righteousness, and all the people see his glory.

Isa 5:16
But the LORD of hosts shall be exalted in judgment, and God that is holy shall be sanctified in righteousness.

Isa 51:8
For the moth shall eat them up like a garment, and the worm shall eat them like wool: but my righteousness shall be for ever, and my salvation from generation to generation.

Jer 23:6
In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

Mt 5:10
Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Mt 6:33
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Ro 1:17
For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. [Not Law]

Ro 3:21
But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Ro 3:22
Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

Ro 3:25
Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

Ro 3:26
To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

Ro 4:3
For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

Ro 4:5
But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Ro 4:6
Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

Ro 4:13
For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

Ro 5:17
For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

Ro 5:18
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

Ro 5:21
That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

Ro 6:18
Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

Ro 6:20
For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.

Ro 10:4
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Comment:
Frank Christ is the end of the law to everyone who believeth!

I other words, our sins are forgiven when we confess the saviour Christ Jesus from sin and we become righteous when we have faith in God and his righteousness.

NEITHER of these qualities do you openly exhibit Frank.

The nature of a 'confession' is to say what you mean and mean what you say, that your words are in agreement with what you believe...

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Comment:
Frank if you did not magnify your judgments of the word of God you would see the true God in spite of your own questions of this law.

You don't want a God... Well I don't want your idea of God... I would shut my eyes too. Maybe you have picked your warped view of the biblical God because you never wanted a God anyway.

You want an easy God that you can trace with crayons. Sin isn't that easy a subject to reconcile. You use this sin Frank as an escape. You are only running further into your own human innate nature to sin and away from the gift of righteousness that comes only from the one true God.
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farmerman
 
  1  
Reply Sun 16 Jul, 2006 08:25 pm
I dub thee Hollis RAy Mathis JR
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Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Reply Sun 16 Jul, 2006 08:44 pm
RexRed wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
RexRed wrote:
Genesis 11:1
And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.

Genesis 11:9
Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.



"When you march up to attack a city, first offer terms of peace.
If it agrees to your terms of peace and opens its gates to you,
all the people to be found in it shall serve you in forced labor.
But if it refuses to make peace with you and instead offers you
battle, lay siege to it, and when the Lord, your God, delivers it
into your hand, put every male in it to the sword, but the women
and children and livestock and all else in it that is worth
plunder you may take as your booty and you may use this plunder
of your enemies which the Lord, your God, has given you." Deuteronomy 20:10


Scripture number five Frank?

1 John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

Comment:
Frank you have magnified an evil God so you only comprehend this evil God. You cannot see the mystery at work underneath it all.

1 Corinthians 13:4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

Comment:
You marvel at the iniquity of God but you deny the righteousness of God.

Job 35:2
Thinkest thou this to be right, that thou saidst, My righteousness is more than God's?

Job 33:26
He shall pray unto God, and he will be favourable unto him: and he shall see his face with joy: for he will render unto man his [God's] righteousness.

Ps 23:3
He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.

Ps 31:1
In thee, O LORD, do I put my trust; let me never be ashamed: deliver me in thy righteousness.

Ps 33:5
He loveth righteousness and judgment: the earth is full of the goodness of the LORD.

Ps 71:19
Thy righteousness also, O God, is very high, who hast done great things: O God, who is like unto thee!

Ps 97:6
The heavens declare his righteousness, and all the people see his glory.

Isa 5:16
But the LORD of hosts shall be exalted in judgment, and God that is holy shall be sanctified in righteousness.

Isa 51:8
For the moth shall eat them up like a garment, and the worm shall eat them like wool: but my righteousness shall be for ever, and my salvation from generation to generation.

Jer 23:6
In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

Mt 5:10
Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Mt 6:33
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Ro 1:17
For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. [Not Law]

Ro 3:21
But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Ro 3:22
Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

Ro 3:25
Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

Ro 3:26
To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

Ro 4:3
For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

Ro 4:5
But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Ro 4:6
Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

Ro 4:13
For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

Ro 5:17
For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

Ro 5:18
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

Ro 5:21
That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

Ro 6:18
Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

Ro 6:20
For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.

Ro 10:4
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Comment:
Frank Christ is the end of the law to everyone who believeth!

I other words, our sins are forgiven when we confess the saviour Christ Jesus from sin and we become righteous when we have faith in God and his righteousness.

NEITHER of these qualities do you openly exhibit Frank.

The nature of a 'confession' is to say what you mean and mean what you say, that your words are in agreement with what you believe...

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Comment:
Frank if you did not magnify your judgments of the word of God you would see the true God in spite of your own questions of this law.

You don't want a God... Well I don't want your idea of God... I would shut my eyes too. Maybe you have picked your warped view of the biblical God because you never wanted a God anyway.

You want an easy God that you can trace with crayons. Sin isn't that easy a subject to reconcile. You use this sin Frank as an escape. You are only running further into your own human innate nature to sin and away from the gift of righteousness that comes only from the one true God.


"I, the Lord, your God, am a jealous God, inflicting punishments
for their fathers' wickedness on the children of those who hate
me, down to the third and fourth generation." Deuteronomy 5:9
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RexRed
 
  1  
Reply Sun 16 Jul, 2006 08:55 pm
Frank, you are treating the word of God deceptively.
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snood
 
  1  
Reply Sun 16 Jul, 2006 09:18 pm
Rex,
thou art beating thy head 'pon an immovable object.
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rosborne979
 
  1  
Reply Sun 16 Jul, 2006 10:03 pm
RexRed wrote:
Scripture number five Frank?

1 John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

blah blah blah


Holy b'jesus Rex, that was some of the most whackedout biblethumping lunatic spew I've heard in years. You've got a true calling. Get yourself a big revival tent and some followers, move to a remote location and start stirring up the KoolAid. You go girl. You've got the stuff insanity is made of.
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RexRed
 
  1  
Reply Mon 17 Jul, 2006 12:47 am
rosborne979 wrote:
RexRed wrote:
Scripture number five Frank?

1 John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

blah blah blah


Holy b'jesus Rex, that was some of the most whackedout biblethumping lunatic spew I've heard in years. You've got a true calling. Get yourself a big revival tent and some followers, move to a remote location and start stirring up the KoolAid. You go girl. You've got the stuff insanity is made of.


It is not what I do that is of such note.

The miracle is really what God has done in us.

When we lift away the cultural taboos and the laws of how to be perfect on the outside what is left is the righteousness of God within.

Here are some of my thoughts.

God does not look to every fault we have but every virtue.

God does not look to our sin but to our obedience.

God does not only forgive us but God accepts us.

God accepts us for who we are and what place in our growth we are at.

God does not want to point out our failures but wants to joy in our success.

God does not want to limit our freedom but to balance our freedom with moderation and consideration.

God does not want to judge you but God wants to reward you

God wants to bless you and not curse you

I see God as limited...

God can only love you...
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Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Reply Mon 17 Jul, 2006 02:56 am
Rex...

...you are terrified of your god...

...and for good reason. The god is a barbaric monster...and anyone who thinks it exists ought to be afraid.

Your efforts to suck up to the god are transparent.

Try to get control over your fears.
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xingu
 
  1  
Reply Mon 17 Jul, 2006 06:15 am
Rex

Frank is right. The God of the Bible is evil. He has proven that by his works. You can't dismiss this evil by making two Gods. If your going to claim your a Christian then you have to believe that Christ and the God of the Old testament are one in the same.

This statement of yours;
Quote:
Frank you have magnified an evil God so you only comprehend this evil God. You cannot see the mystery at work underneath it all.

goes against what the Bible says; the existence of one and only one God.

I have seen so called Christians do this before. They are appalled by the barbarism of the OT God and reject him. They say they believe in the NT only. Some even reject Revelations because of the evilness shown by its God.

If your going to look at contradictions in the Bible this good God vs. evil God is one of the great ones. You can't declare God to be pure love and have him slaughter innocent children and babies.
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rosborne979
 
  1  
Reply Mon 17 Jul, 2006 07:12 am
RexRed wrote:
It is not what I do that is of such note.

The miracle is really what God has done in us.

When we lift away the cultural taboos and the laws of how to be perfect on the outside what is left is the righteousness of God within.

Here are some of my thoughts.

God does not look to every fault we have but every virtue.

God does not look to our sin but to our obedience.

God does not only forgive us but God accepts us.

God accepts us for who we are and what place in our growth we are at.

God does not want to point out our failures but wants to joy in our success.

God does not want to limit our freedom but to balance our freedom with moderation and consideration.

God does not want to judge you but God wants to reward you

God wants to bless you and not curse you

I see God as limited...

God can only love you...


That sounds like more of a psychosis than a belief.
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