Bible vs. Science

Frank Apisa wrote:

RexRed wrote:
Frank it only takes the weakest Christian to topple the strongest agnostic/atheist.

In your dreams, Rex. In your dreams and delusions.

Frank, you fear the wall of the unknown... Twisted Evil

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Frank Apisa wrote:

Arella Mae wrote:
Then I take it you think Jesus was doubleminded or something?

Is that like doublejointed???

Or maybe forked tongued... Smile

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megamanXplosion wrote:

I would have to agree, to a certain extent, with the Christians regarding John 8. The teachers of the law and Pharisees were trying to determine how liberal Jesus was concerning the law. It was a trap. Jesus pardoned the sin of the woman and those who were trying to trap him.

Whether it was or wasn't is not the point. The point is...did he "keep the law" or not.

In any case, almost the entire of John has been discredited by the Jesus Seminar assemblage.

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In John 8:12-27, right after the incident, Jesus spoke to the people and told them that he was the son of God and that his forgiveness was the wishes of God. In John 20:21-23 Jesus gave the discriples the power to forgive sins as he had been given. "Again Jesus said, 'Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.' And with that he breathed on them and said, 'Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.'" I cannot see a contradiction here. It is only contradictory if it is taken out of context.

Further conformation that Jesus did not "keep the law"...but rather, after swearing that he was not here to do so...CHANGED THE LAW.

Jesus did not "keep the law".

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RexRed wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
RexRed wrote:
Frank it only takes the weakest Christian to topple the strongest agnostic/atheist.

In your dreams, Rex. In your dreams and delusions.

Frank, you fear the wall of the unknown...

Because I have pointed out that you are driven my your demons, Rex...becasue I have pointed out that you are in constant fear of this idiot god...

...you are trying to use the words back against me.

I love it. Thanks.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

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Heb 2:14
Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

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Which part did Jesus take? Flesh or blood?

Jesus was not a partaker of flesh and blood but only took (shared) a part.

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RexRed wrote:

Heb 2:14
Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

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Which part did Jesus take. Flesh or blood?

Let me answer you this way:

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"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them shall be
put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their
lives." Leviticus 20:13

What does the god of the Bible think about homosexual conduct?

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Frank Apisa wrote:

RexRed wrote:
Heb 2:14
Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

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Which part did Jesus take. Flesh or blood?

Let me answer you this way:

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"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them shall be
put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their
lives." Leviticus 20:13

What does the god of the Bible think about homosexual conduct?

Frank, God sees you are an old fart and don't know what the Bible means yet.

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Frank Apisa wrote:

megamanXplosion wrote:
I would have to agree, to a certain extent, with the Christians regarding John 8. The teachers of the law and Pharisees were trying to determine how liberal Jesus was concerning the law. It was a trap. Jesus pardoned the sin of the woman and those who were trying to trap him.

Whether it was or wasn't is not the point. The point is...did he "keep the law" or not.

In any case, almost the entire of John has been discredited by the Jesus Seminar assemblage.

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In John 8:12-27, right after the incident, Jesus spoke to the people and told them that he was the son of God and that his forgiveness was the wishes of God. In John 20:21-23 Jesus gave the discriples the power to forgive sins as he had been given. "Again Jesus said, 'Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.' And with that he breathed on them and said, 'Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.'" I cannot see a contradiction here. It is only contradictory if it is taken out of context.

Further conformation that Jesus did not "keep the law"...but rather, after swearing that he was not here to do so...CHANGED THE LAW.

Jesus did not "keep the law".

The "law" does not prohibit the "Holy Spirit" from forgiving people of their "sins." You are clearly distorting the text.

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RexRed wrote:

[What does the god of the Bible think about homosexual conduct?

Frank, God sees you are an old fart...

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Careful now, Rex. Your god can get pretty nasty with people who talk that.

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... and don't know what the Bible means yet.

Meaning I am not willing to pretend what is written there...is not actually written.

Wake up, Rex.

Get real.

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megamanXplosion wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
megamanXplosion wrote:
I would have to agree, to a certain extent, with the Christians regarding John 8. The teachers of the law and Pharisees were trying to determine how liberal Jesus was concerning the law. It was a trap. Jesus pardoned the sin of the woman and those who were trying to trap him.

Whether it was or wasn't is not the point. The point is...did he "keep the law" or not.

In any case, almost the entire of John has been discredited by the Jesus Seminar assemblage.

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In John 8:12-27, right after the incident, Jesus spoke to the people and told them that he was the son of God and that his forgiveness was the wishes of God. In John 20:21-23 Jesus gave the discriples the power to forgive sins as he had been given. "Again Jesus said, 'Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.' And with that he breathed on them and said, 'Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.'" I cannot see a contradiction here. It is only contradictory if it is taken out of context.

Further conformation that Jesus did not "keep the law"...but rather, after swearing that he was not here to do so...CHANGED THE LAW.

Jesus did not "keep the law".

The "law" does not prohibit the "Holy Spirit" from forgiving people of their "sins." You are clearly distorting the text.

Talk about distorting text.

You go point to the part of "the Law" that says the "Holy Spirit" can forgive people their sins.

Jesus H. Ceerist...the Holy Spook did not even come on the scene during the time of "the Law."

Get with the program, Mystery. You are in serious lag here.

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Frank you need to read (and study) the whole book (scope) before you make a judgment about your "select" passages...

The Bible actually says, "There is no God." Frank

Those words are prefaced by, "The foolish man says in his heart,"

Again Frank, you are limited by your own wall of ignorance.

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RexRed wrote:

Frank you need to read (and study) the whole book (scope) before you make a judgment about your "select" passages...

The Bible actually says, "There is no God." Frank

Those words are prefaced by, "The foolish man says in his heart,"

Again Frank, you are limited by your own wall of ignorance.

You are limited by your fear, Rex.

The best geuss that can be made about the Bible...is that it is a collection of fairytales made up by ancient, supersitious Hebrews...who put their own morals and ethics into the mouth of a barbaric, murderous god they invented for the purpose.

YOU pick and choose the stuff you want to peddle...and pretend that the other parts are not there. YOU twist and torture logic in order not to see the pathetic cartoon god for what it is...because you are in abject fear of the god.

Try to stop being so afraid of the boogeyman, Rex.

Then give lectures.

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[quote="Frank Apisa"}
Talk about distorting text.

You go point to the part of "the Law" that says the "Holy Spirit" can forgive people their sins.[/quote]

Point to the part of "the law" Frank that forbids Jesus, Holy Spirit, or Father God from forgiving people their sins.

Is there a Law where your from Frank that says you can eat pop tarts?

If there is.... please point it out. Furthermore, where exactly in the texts did Jesus swear anything?

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Bartikus wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

Talk about distorting text.

You go point to the part of "the Law" that says the "Holy Spirit" can forgive people their sins.

Point to the part of "the law" that forbids Jesus, Holy Spirit, or Father God from forgiving people their sins.

That's like asking me to show where it says it is okay to eat oatmeal.

Try being real, Bart.

Mystery said something. I am asking him to substantiate it.

Don't get all bent out of shape just because his assertion is bullshyt and I pointed that fact out to him.

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Is there a Law where your from Frank that says you can eat pop tarts?

No...and that has nothing to do with the fact that Mystery made an assertion...and I am asking him to back it up.

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If there is.... please point it out. Furthermore, where exactly in the texts did Jesus swear anything?

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets. I have come, not abolish them, but to fulfill them. Of this much I assure you: UNTIL HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS AWAY, NOT THE SMALLEST LETTER OF THE LAW, NOT THE SMALLEST PART OF A LETTER, SHALL BE DONE AWAY WITH UNTIL IT ALL COME TRUE." Matthew 5: 17ff

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I missed where the swearing occurred.

Define swearing please.

Why is it that you can ask megaman to point out where in the law the holy spirit can forgive sins yet you cannot be asked to point out in the law where the holy spirit is prohibited from doing so?

Do you contend that Jesus, the Holy Spirit, or Father God can or cannot forgive sins Frank?

Must everything that God does be first allowed by law Frank?

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Bartikus wrote:

I missed where the swearing occurred.

If that passage was not specific enough for you, Bart...you've got problems.

Your Jesus was about as direct as possible that he was not here to change the Law.

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Define swearing please.

Fuk you!

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Why is it that you can ask megaman to point out where in the law the holy spirit can forgive sins yet you cannot be asked to point out in the law where the holy spirit is prohibited from doing so?

Where in the fuk did I ever say the Holy Spook is prohibited from doing whatever the hell a spook wants to do?

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Do you contend that Jesus, the Holy Spirit, or Father God can or cannot forgive sins Frank?

I am most assuredly not suggesting the fairytale prohibts anyone from forgiving sins, Bart. The fairytale allows for all sorts of things.

So what?

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[quote="Frank Apisa"}
Where in the fuk did I ever say the Holy Spook is prohibited from doing whatever the hell a spook wants to do?[/quote]

Nobody said you did Frank. Who has accused you of saying any such thing? Where are your accusers?

This is what megaman said:
"The "law" does not prohibit the "Holy Spirit" from forgiving people of their "sins."

You ok Frank?

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Bartikus wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

Where in the fuk did I ever say the Holy Spook is prohibited from doing whatever the hell a spook wants to do?

Nobody said you did Frank. Who has accused you of saying any such thing? Where are your accusers?

You ok?

Bart...

...the law does not prohibit the Holy Spook from doing anything. Frankly, the law does not even contemplate a being anything like the Holy Spook. The law...is the law. And there are pages of gruesome penalties for anyone who does not abide by them.

The notion that something was going to come along and "forgive" sins...simply does not play any part in Leviticus and Deuteronomy....the two places where "the law" is laid out.

Where are you and mysteryman going with this line of bullshyt???

The thing I was discussing was a statement by Neo (I think) that Jesus "kept the law."

I have submitted fairly substantial evidence that Jesus did no such thing...and in fact, despite absolutely insisting he was not here to change even a stroke of a letter of a word of the law...

...he pretty much ended up changing the whole goddam thing.

You and mystery realize that your arguments in rebuttal are absurd...so you are trying to sidetrack to something else.

Nice try.

No cigar.

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You go point to the part of "the Law" that says the "Holy Spirit" can forgive people their sins.

Throughout the Bible it states that Jesus was God. It seems absurd to the highest degree that Jesus, which is supposedly God himself, would ask Moses to write down laws that would prohibit his own will. If you assert otherwise then provide scriptural references that support your position. You know this saying Frank: extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. I highly doubt you will provide any proof for your assertion, because it is quite apparently a contrived interpretation of the text.

Furthermore, the Law of Moses demands (Deuteronomy 22:22) that the woman and the man be put to death. The man was not brought forward. Thus, it would be against the Law of Moses to punish the woman without also punishing the man. Because Jesus knew it was a trap and against the Law of Moses to punish her, he turned the tables against the accusers to shame them. In the middle of misusing the Law of Moses for the purpose of sin (killing that is not endorsed by the Law of Moses), Jesus asked the one without sin to be the first to cast stones. The only way the accusers could claim to be without sin in that instance is to also bare false witness to their own actions. If any person came forward that person would have set aside the Law of Moses in front of everyone at the temple. Hebrews 10:28 makes it clear that "anyone who has set aside the Law of Moses dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses." Essentially, Jesus made it clear that anyone who kills the woman in front of all the witnesses at the temple would be shameful and they will also be put to death. The accusers were ashamed and left the temple. When all of the accusers were gone he, again, used the principle described in Hebrews 10:28 by asking the woman if there were any accusers left. Because there were no accusers or witnesses left she was to be let go according to the Law of Moses. Jesus then said to her "sin no more." Jesus was implying to the woman the same thing that was taught in John 5:14, "...do not sin anymore, so that nothing worse happens to you."

And do not call me Mystery. An atheist, like myself, need not lie or support misinterpretations to discredit the Bible. There is enough ways that one can, in an honest manner, discredit it. You have much to learn if you consider such actions a Mystery.

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