Bible vs. Science

Unless the LORD builds the house, those who build it labor in vain. Unless the LORD watches over the city, the watchman stays awake in vain.

Lot of posts to respond to.

Snood I try not to assume anything about people.

Lash So far the right has not made any comments that have been insulting about my sexuality. This should tell us we are in good hands with them. Yes they may have inner opinions but they have so far kept them relatively silent. We all have errors in our understanding of the Bible.

As for the left. You are also supportive of my lifestyle so I really have no gripes with your either. Even if I did that is your right.

As for me manipulating people. I admit that I am a human being with motives like anyone else.

I have visions of people blessed and coming to an understanding of God.

But one thing I understand as if it were part of what I am is, you cannot force people. You can be blunt and try to show them the error of their ways. But if change is going to come it needs to come from the spirit within. To manipulate people is not so wrong if they want to be manipulated and if they trust you. But you cannot just make someone into what you want them to be. They have to become that on their own or then you have only insulted their intelligence.

Frank you have six scriptures that you throw at me. Your favorite one is the gay one... Over five years you have been throwing this gay scripture at me. I explain it and then when it suits you you throw it at me again and I explain it again. As if you never even really heard what I have ever really said. Someday I will be shrewd and test you on it. Others have already learned faster than you.

So it makes me wonder if it is just the shock factor that you are after and not the truth.

So FM when you figure out Franks motives for not listening for 5 years and simply barfing up the same gay scripture then you will be free to call my mother what you like.

Here Frank here is a scripture for YOU...

1 Corinthians 13

1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.

4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

Comment:
Frank what is wrong with these scriptures?

Does it sound like it is from the same God as the gay ones you pack in your arsenal against the true God?

You are listening to the God YOU want to hear.

AGAIN, Good must overcome evil and liberty becomes a law unto itself.

But Frank, this concept goes right over your head.

You don't even try to understand.

Just in another few weeks you will again toss the same gay scripture at me and I will still believe the same thing.

You are not playing on my fears you are only using the wrong teaching and scriptural ignorance of others to prove a false witness against the one true God.

Rex,

Well, since this thread is about soooooo many different things and this has been touched on, I wanted to tell you something.

Your life is your life. It's none of my business. I wouldn't feel any differently about you if you are purple, green, or whatever. It is up to God to deal with each of us and I'm not about to judge you or anyone else for anything. None of us, NOT ONE of us is without some sin in our life. So, just know you have my respect and support.

Arella Mae wrote:

Rex,

Well, since this thread is about soooooo many different things and this has been touched on, I wanted to tell you something.

Your life is your life. It's none of my business. I wouldn't feel any differently about you if you are purple, green, or whatever. It is up to God to deal with each of us and I'm not about to judge you or anyone else for anything. None of us, NOT ONE of us is without some sin in our life. So, just know you have my respect and support.

Right!

Who gives a rat's ass about what the god of the Bible says?

You are going to do what you want to do...and the god of the Bible can go straight to hell.

At least in this instance!

What hypocrisy!

And just what burr is under your saddle, Frank? You're seemingly miffed because I won't tell Rex he's going to hell? You wake the *** up Frank. It's my decision to make, nor is it yours, or anyone else's. Rex knows very well where I stand on this issue. He and I don't have a problem with it. If he's gay, that's his business.

But if you or anyone else thinks I'm going to tell him or anyone else they are going to hell for anything, think again. I know what that Bible says to me for me. I am to look after my own salvation. Not yours, not Rex's, not anyone's but mine.

I sin. Rex sins. You sin. We all sin. That's what the Bible says. So, I have absolutely no right to judge Rex or anyone else for what they do. Make up your mind, will you? You (not the literal you) jump all over people because you say well you condemn them to hell! And then when someones doesn't do it you get miffed? Go figure.

And Rex does have my respect and support. He sticks up for what he believes in no matter what. He has my support in standing up for what he believes. It doesn't necessarily mean I agree with everything he says or does. I don't agree with everything any one person says or does. I highly doubt you do either.

So is the Episcopal Church of America.

Frank,

Just what the heck is wrong with you? Did I say I support his lifestyle? No, I did not. And like I said, Rex knows very well that I do not. Now, I'm not getting into that with you or anyone else. It's none of my business Frank. All I can do is tell you or anyone else what I believe and why. If they choose to accept that then fine. If they choose not to accept that then fine. God does not tell me that I have the right to punish anyone for anything. If you don't want to be a Christian Frank then why don't you stop telling those of us that want to be one how we should do it? You can't have it both ways Frank. And Frankly, right now you remind me of so many Christians that I hear telling each other they aren't saved because they don't believe this or they haven't been baptized or they don't speak in tongues, etc. Our own salvation, Frank.

You are the one that keeps saying homosexuals should be put to death according to the Bible Frank. It doesn't seem to matter to you that it has been explained we are not under Mosaic Law and those punishments don't apply. If you don't accept that then fine.

What do you want me to do Frank? Beat Rex up with the Bible? Should I then turn around and beat you up with it? Who else Frank? Who else should I beat up with the Bible? Like I said, we all sin. So, I guess I'd better get busy beating people up. If you have an understanding of God as some barbaric monster and you don't accept anything other than that, well that's you.

Talk about hypocritical! You scream and holler because you think homosexuals are being discriminated against and then when someone refuses to condemn them you get upset. THAT is hypocritical.

Rex...I defy you to show anything in your supposed refutation of the passage I cited that actually shows the god of the Bible does not consider homosexual acts to be an abomination worthy of death.

Where.

You might just as well have cited "The meek shall inherit the Earth" ....because you have not actually refuted the passage...you have merely avoided it.

The god of the Bible clearly states that homosexual activity is an abomination.

Wake the fuk up!

Stop pretending that you have refuted the passage.

What you have done...very clearly to everyone but you...is to twist logic in an attempt to make the passage seem to say something other than what it says.

That was my point. Thank you for once again showing that my point was correct.

Yes, I will continue to use the passage...because it allows me to allow you to show I am correct in this matter.

The problem with science is that it keeps finding it's own self wrong. The proplem with the Bible is people keep mis-interrrupting it with their own mis-understandings.

I would accept that the God of the Bible is a paranoid schizohphrenic. If one is to believe this is the fault of the authors who didn't actually hear God dictate what to write down in the scriptures, then the whole structure and teachings of the Bible virtually dissintegrates. Jesus stated that all that was written before is valid, meaning the Hebrew Old Testament (he was a Jewish Rabbi, remember?). Although he did not state that homosexuality was wrong, he emphatically states that a man should only be with a woman. It is true that he refutes the notion of putting anybody to death for a sin such as homosexuality. He seems to have lapsed here as it's either follow all that will written before him or don't follow what is written before him. Another reason not to take the Bible that seriously. Even its metaphors and parables are crazy and mixed up.

You've got a set of blinders on suitable for a draft horse.